3 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

And yet, somehow, some way, Howie every year does it.  I have given up a long time ago worrying about the cap, it is meaningless.  I mean unless you long for the good 'ol days of Banner and Reid and being Salary Cap Champions!!

yep

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Those guys are safeties, and he was their nickel CB. So that is not exactly accurate.

Yes, he played a lot of nickel corner, but most sites talk about him as a safety, and everything I have read at this point indicates he is playing safety here.

We have a slot corner, and a good one in Maddox, who sucked when he played safety, and we cut projected starter Anthony Harris.

Right now our depth chart lists CGJ, Epps, Wallace and Blankenship as safeties ( yes, that will change at noon today with claims ) but to think he wasn't brought here to be a safety when we already have 6 corners on the roster is being a little obtuse.

Found this regarding Vic at Eagles.

Seems he wasn't employed at any time, didn't spend ALL TC with Birds but was a welcomed visitor. Clarified the situation.

Copied and Pasted;

Having spent three seasons as the Denver Broncos head coach from 2019 to 2021, when it was announced in February that Vic Fangio wouldn’t return for a fourth run, an accompanying statement came straight from the source. He announced that he had no plans to coach in 2022.

Had he decided to seek new opportunities, he wouldn’t have been unemployed for long. Poll Birds fans, and you’re certain to hear a few of them tell you they’d take him as this team’s defensive coordinator in a second. That won’t happen though because, as you know, Philly has Jonathan Gannon in their wheelhouse.

That begs a question though. Most of you know where this is headed. Why is he here then? Coach Sirianni addressed that.

"We like to bring in guys. like to make it very clear to the staff that we bring guys in that we trust and that we’re close to. Vic has some relationships on the staff, and it’s great to have him here . They come in. They eat, and they watch practice. And, you make them work for that a little (chuckles). You pick their brain. So, he’s here because he’s got relationships with guys, and of course we’d be foolish not to use him."

Coach Siriani also mentioned that, throughout the week, they’ll bring in other guys, Jim Smith of Indiana University at Pennsylvania for instance (their defensive coordinator). There’s no need to start any rumors though.

For now, there’s no need to connect dots between Fangio and the Eagles. Gannon is safe as Philadelphia’s defensive coordinator, but once this season passes and, maybe, J.G. lands a head-coaching job, who knows?

 

FWIW.....,

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yes, he played a lot of nickel corner, but most sites talk about him as a safety, and everything I have read at this point indicates he is playing safety here.

We have a slot corner, and a good one in Maddox, who sucked when he played safety, and we cut projected starter Anthony Harris.

Right now our depth chart lists CGJ, Epps, Wallace and Blankenship as safeties ( yes, that will change at noon today with claims ) but to think he wasn't brought here to be a safety when we already have 6 corners on the roster is being a little obtuse.

He is playing safety here.

He was not expendable to NO because of the safeties they signed, because he did not play safety there. Different team, different situation, different position.

Thats besides the point. I addressed it as an aside, and then the rest of my post continued with the intended context of the discussion. I addressed the cap which was your OP in this discussion, but you did not respond to that part. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

See that second clip.  I suspect that Slay is in Match Man, either MOD (because his player ran a pattern deeper than 5 yards) or MEG.   Honest NFL has been posting some good coverage tweets this summer.  I wonder if the cloud player (circled) went to MOD too. In the top clip, you see my complaint about Nelson. Look at that cushion between when he hands off the receiver and where the S is.  Now, we have all opined that the Ss dropped too deep. Nelson is playing spot zone or too loose.  I don’t think we will see that with Bradberry. More like Saban’s match zone.  NFL is trending toward match. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Uh... what?

In what way is an offense that leans heavily on the QB's ability to run 'plug and play'?  Until the read option is gone from the playbook, or at least relegated to its rightful place as a tool to be used in only very specific situations and limited to being brought out about every 3 weeks or so, this offense isn't about a well oiled machine.  It is about maximizing production with a limited QB who is an above average runner.

BTW, Reid changed the offense to maximize Garcia's skill set when he came in, rather than McNabb's.  Very different QB styles with those two.  No more deep shots to start the game, no more deep crosses and flags.  Much more over the middle short, throw it in stride and let the receiver run with the ball.

you havent heard of the plug n play QB offense? 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Those guys are safeties, and he was their nickel CB. So that is not exactly accurate.

If you had 57.8 million available youd get your top safety free agent, and you wouldnt have half of the rest of the talent we have on this team. The dead money is there because Howie stretches each dollar to make it worth 1.50. That affords us extra talent on the team. You ONLY look at that pile of dead money as a bad thing without acknowledging all the good it has provided us.

And you ignore the dead that brought us nothing.   Alshon Jeffery's dead money?  Malik Jackson's?  Brandon Brooks'?  

Howie isn't perfect.  And he doesn't stretch the $1 to make it worth $1.50.   It's still worth the same, he's just pushing the problem down the road...  IIRC, our dead money amount has grown every year for quite a while.  When will it come back down again?  

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think he is a guy who will really benefit from the team adding Davis. Last year our scheme wasn't great because we lacked a true nt, so our five man fronts weren't as effective. But adding Davis at nt and Reddick at olb should help Williams have a bigger impact. 

But if he's not any good, that would be a problem. 

So he will be someone to watch because him not being good wouldn't be ideal. I did see him get a few clean wins in preseason games, so that's a good sign. 

How often did we run 5 man fronts last year as opposed to 3 or 4?? 

3 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Found this regarding Vic at Eagles.

Seems he wasn't employed at any time, didn't spend ALL TC with Birds but was a welcomed visitor. Clarified the situation.

Copied and Pasted;

Having spent three seasons as the Denver Broncos head coach from 2019 to 2021, when it was announced in February that Vic Fangio wouldn’t return for a fourth run, an accompanying statement came straight from the source. He announced that he had no plans to coach in 2022.

Had he decided to seek new opportunities, he wouldn’t have been unemployed for long. Poll Birds fans, and you’re certain to hear a few of them tell you they’d take him as this team’s defensive coordinator in a second. That won’t happen though because, as you know, Philly has Jonathan Gannon in their wheelhouse.

That begs a question though. Most of you know where this is headed. Why is he here then? Coach Sirianni addressed that.

"We like to bring in guys. like to make it very clear to the staff that we bring guys in that we trust and that we’re close to. Vic has some relationships on the staff, and it’s great to have him here . They come in. They eat, and they watch practice. And, you make them work for that a little (chuckles). You pick their brain. So, he’s here because he’s got relationships with guys, and of course we’d be foolish not to use him."

Coach Siriani also mentioned that, throughout the week, they’ll bring in other guys, Jim Smith of Indiana University at Pennsylvania for instance (their defensive coordinator). There’s no need to start any rumors though.

For now, there’s no need to connect dots between Fangio and the Eagles. Gannon is safe as Philadelphia’s defensive coordinator, but once this season passes and, maybe, J.G. lands a head-coaching job, who knows?

 

FWIW.....,

 

next DC is going to come from IUP, and people are going to freak out. Cant wait. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And you ignore the dead that brought us nothing.   Alshon Jeffery's dead money?  Malik Jackson's?  Brandon Brooks'?  

Howie isn't perfect.  And he doesn't stretch the $1 to make it worth $1.50.   It's still worth the same, he's just pushing the problem down the road...  IIRC, our dead money amount has grown every year for quite a while.  When will it come back down again?  

That is very, very wrong. 

2 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

How often did we run 5 man fronts last year as opposed to 3 or 4?? 

Don't know an exact number, but it seemed to be our go to defense against 12 personnel. Avery was exclusively used as an olb in five man fronts, so his snap count should give a pretty good picture of how often we were in it. 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I see it from a different perspective.  We have 57.8 in dead money this year.  Yes, the CGJ move was a good one, but he is a rental player at this point.  He became expendable as the Saints signed Marcus Maye and the Honey Badger.

I would rather have that 57.8 million in dead money available to sign one of the top free agent safeties instead of using draft resources to trade for one that is a rental at this point.

 

I don't think they would have traded for him without knowing what he wanted in terms of an extension.  My guess is that they will extend him at some point if he plays well.  He also should be happy with a clear starting role at a position that will get him more money in FA.  It's a potential rental if they do not want to re-sign him.  If they do, they have control over him through next season and will probably get the deal done.  He's a 24 year old with good success and upside.  FA's do not tend to work out League wide.  He's a year younger and likely cheaper than signing a player like Bates.  He also a better man coverage skill set.  If they want to keep him, they will without any loss of flexibility next offseason. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

That is very, very wrong. 

ok

6 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

And yet, somehow, some way, Howie every year does it.  I have given up a long time ago worrying about the cap, it is meaningless.  I mean unless you long for the good 'ol days of Banner and Reid and being Salary Cap Champions!!

The reason Banner and Reid always had cap space is because they kept the roster turning over with quality in the draft, Big Red left the building a decade ago and we're still playing some of their guys, that's the problem and it's why a bill will eventually come due. sure constantly shunting money into void years on one year rentals and relying on vets restructuring is a form of cap management, but the well run franchises don't need to do it that way or at least not every year like Howie.

The last two drafts actually looked like we were starting to get it, but then we laid waste to our scouting team after this year.

22 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I will not be shocked at all if this guy winds up being a pain in the ass. Also the blog and Eagles Twitter is acting as if this guy is the next Dawkins. Meanwhile I haven’t heard squat about him since he’s been in the league 

I got the impression people were happy mostly because we gave up very little

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

That is very, very wrong. 

He's been notorious for kicking the can on contracts

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

ok

when you understand that, you will understand why it is senseless to worry about the dead cap number.

17 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

I'm still hoping that Mr Hurts serves us a huge dish of crow and has a spectacular season. 

i would be good with that but I am not getting my hopes up for him.  

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I got the impression people were happy mostly because we gave up very little

He's been notorious for kicking the can on contracts

correct. and there is a reason for it which fiscally makes a ton of sense.

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Didnt see any updates on this. People must be trying to stay secretive for the blog fantasy draft.

Brian Robinson was back at the team facility 2 days after being shot. And brought oreos for the RB room.

 

Dude was a beast at Bama. Some nice running backs out of the draft this year, a shame we couldn't grab one... Dameon Pierce, Rachaard White, Zamir White, Hall, Allgeier, Cook, Walker...

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think they would have traded for him without knowing what he wanted in terms of an extension.  My guess is that they will extend him at some point if he plays well.  He also should be happy with a clear starting role at a position that will get him more money in FA.  It's a potential rental if they do not want to re-sign him.  If they do, they have control over him through next season and will probably get the deal done.  He's a 24 year old with good success and upside.  FA's do not tend to work out League wide.  He's a year younger and likely cheaper than signing a player like Bates.  He also a better man coverage skill set.  If they want to keep him, they will without any loss of flexibility next offseason. 

Yup, win win for both us and him. We get to see how he fits here and he gets a chance at a bigger payday as a safety. And even if he struggles, he will get a decent payday to play slot somewhere else. 

54 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Eagles 6th youngest. 

Feels like its been a long time since I've heard that

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Dude was a beast at Bama. Some nice running backs out of the draft this year, a shame we couldn't grab one... Dameon Pierce, Rachaard White, Zamir White, Hall, Allgeier, Cook, Walker...

There are 2 very physical runners out there on waivers. Hopefully we snagged one if we cant steal Drake away. 

ZaQuandre White, and D'Vonte Price would be solid grabs.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

when you understand that, you will understand why it is senseless to worry about the dead cap number.

I'm good, but thanks.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

He is playing safety here.

He was not expendable to NO because of the safeties they signed, because he did not play safety there. Different team, different situation, different position.

Thats besides the point. I addressed it as an aside, and then the rest of my post continued with the intended context of the discussion. I addressed the cap which was your OP in this discussion, but you did not respond to that part. 

Intended to respond, wanted to cover that part first.

I do not agree that kicking the can down the road is the best approach.  You have cap space you can not use to sign a young player, and continue to have to put band aids on the situation.

Looking at next year, with rollover ( which will be less by the time it happens ) Eagles have 11.5 million in cap space with 42 players under contract.  At least 6 million of that will be allocated to the two 1st round picks if they use them, then you have to pay the rest of the draft class. 

I put a depth chart together for players under contract, Eagles will need a starting RG ( I have Josh Sills in as the starter ) and there is only one back up offensive lineman under contract.  Need backups for 4 positions on the line, and need to find Lane Johnsons replacement at some point.

Gainwell is the only RB under contract, need a starting CB across from Slay, and the only safeties under contract are K'Von Wallace and Reed Blankenship.

I would be less concerned about the cap if the drafting was better, but because of so many draft failures, the cap becomes more of an issue as you keep having to go for one year fixes, rinse and repeat.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think they would have traded for him without knowing what he wanted in terms of an extension.  My guess is that they will extend him at some point if he plays well.  He also should be happy with a clear starting role at a position that will get him more money in FA.  It's a potential rental if they do not want to re-sign him.  If they do, they have control over him through next season and will probably get the deal done.  He's a 24 year old with good success and upside.  FA's do not tend to work out League wide.  He's a year younger and likely cheaper than signing a player like Bates.  He also a better man coverage skill set.  If they want to keep him, they will without any loss of flexibility next offseason. 

Yes, the bolded is correct.  But the reason we won a Super Bowl is all the free agents we signed had a major impact.

Without Nick Foles, Legarrete Blount, Brandon Brooks, Malcolm Jenkins we do not win a title.  Yes the drafted players contributed, but without the guys I just listed, especially Nick Foles, RTK would have been correct that the Eagles season ended the moment Carson Wentz tore his ACL.