6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Intended to respond, wanted to cover that part first.

I do not agree that kicking the can down the road is the best approach.  You have cap space you can not use to sign a young player, and continue to have to put band aids on the situation.

Looking at next year, with rollover ( which will be less by the time it happens ) Eagles have 11.5 million in cap space with 42 players under contract.  At least 6 million of that will be allocated to the two 1st round picks if they use them, then you have to pay the rest of the draft class. 

I put a depth chart together for players under contract, Eagles will need a starting RG ( I have Josh Sills in as the starter ) and there is only one back up offensive lineman under contract.  Need backups for 4 positions on the line, and need to find Lane Johnsons replacement at some point.

Gainwell is the only RB under contract, need a starting CB across from Slay, and the only safeties under contract are K'Von Wallace and Reed Blankenship.

I would be less concerned about the cap if the drafting was better, but because of so many draft failures, the cap becomes more of an issue as you keep having to go for one year fixes, rinse and repeat.

If they simply used cap space, they wouldnt have nearly enough cap space to have the players they have.

Howie borrows from the future because he borrows a dollar, and pays about 75 cents for it. Thats why it makes so much sense to do. If it were all equal, as @Iggles_Phan suggested, then you guys would be 100% right. But its not all equal. So... Howie is right.

Also, now that Howie is completely in charge of drafting, the better drafts are going to help him continue to dig out of the hole that he got in to because of COVID. 

8 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

How often did we run 5 man fronts last year as opposed to 3 or 4?? 

Probably about 25% of the time. I posted a few screen shots some time ago. To clarify further, a three-man front with two guys standing up on the edges is, to me, a five-man front. Like this, which is a 4i, so-called because of the alignment of the two DTs.

What's different this year is that we have the personnel to run this scheme.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There are 2 very physical runners out there on waivers. Hopefully we snagged one if we cant steal Drake away. 

ZaQuandre White, and D'Vonte Price would be solid grabs.

I would love to see White here. Had a nice PS too. Likely just a numbers casualty in Miami. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There are 2 very physical runners out there on waivers. Hopefully we snagged one if we cant steal Drake away. 

ZaQuandre White, and D'Vonte Price would be solid grabs.

I really don't even want Drake. He is more of a speed type back and we need someone that can smash through the tackles. I'd take either of those two you mentioned or Ollison whom the Falcons cut. 

The only time I worry about the "salary cap" is when it prevents us from signing a key player.    I cant recall that being a problem recently. 

WIll it be eventually? I dont know, because it hasn't happened yet. Every year they raise the damned thing and Howie figures it out. 

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It could just as well be that Fangio is here to get ideas for himself. He may be making rounds to all different teams. Working to better himself for his next job. Its not unusual to see coaches travel around and pick brains.

It's not unusual for them to the Doug Pederson tour and doing one off appearances in Chicago, Indy etc. I think it's unusual Fangio has been to at least 3 home practices and traveled to Miami to be at the joint practice. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

If they simply used cap space, they wouldnt have nearly enough cap space to have the players they have.

Howie borrows from the future because he borrows a dollar, and pays about 75 cents for it. Thats why it makes so much sense to do.

One important point is that a lot of teams refuse to kick the can down the road when they have a window to be competitive. There really isn't a penalty for going all in if you think you have a chance to win it all, but a lot of teams simply refuse to do it, putting them at a significant disadvantage. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Also, now that Howie is completely in charge of drafting, the better drafts are going to help him continue to dig out of the hole that he got in to because of COVID. 

He did not get into the hole because of Covid.  He got into that hole with bad contracts that he then made worse with bad midseason trades.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Also, now that Howie is completely in charge of drafting, the better drafts are going to help him continue to dig out of the hole that he got in to because of COVID. 

He got into that hole from other things than just COVID.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. I had no interest in him due to size. I never formed much of an opinion. I watched, said he looks alright but not what I am looking for, and moved on. 

The 1 small back that really stood out to me as a sproles type is Max Borghi. Even though hes small, Id be excited about that pick up. I cant remember if he did returns or not. But loved how he ran. 

Abram Smith?  Green as can be but runs with punch and seems to know to follow blockers.  Considering how green he is as a RB, the time at LB helped with his vision. 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The only time I worry about the "salary cap" is when it prevents us from signing a key player.    I cant recall that being a problem recently. 

WIll it be eventually? I dont know, because it hasn't happened yet. Every year they raise the damned thing and Howie figures it out. 

Signing our own or signing from another team?   I think it absolutely has been a problem in signing players via free agency in recent years.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He did not get into the hole because of Covid.  He got into that hole with bad contracts that he then made worse with bad midseason trades.

This  factually incorrect statement comes from your misunderstanding of his logic on borrowing from the future. But yes, COVID did indeed hurt him.

The idea that borrowing a whole dollar today, and only paying back 75 cents comes from the expectation of salary cap increases every year. With Covid, that didnt happen as expected. So now his loans for that year became more expensive than he ever could have planned for. 

Think of this. 1 dollar today equals x% of the salary cap currently. When you kick that dollar down the road, and the cap increases, that dollar is now worth y% of the cap. Y represents a smaller % than x. For example 1 dollar out of 100 is a larger % than 1 dollar out of 150. But when you borrow that dollar expecting it to be a % of the 150, and it remains at 100 for unforseeable circumstances, now your plan is in big trouble. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Signing our own or signing from another team?   I think it absolutely has been a problem in signing players via free agency in recent years.

Didn't we get outbid for Marcus Williams this offseason? 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Signing our own or signing from another team?   I think it absolutely has been a problem in signing players via free agency in recent years.

Who did they want, they could not sign, ours or otherwise?  I am of the firm belief, if they wanted a player, they will find a way to get them on the roster, even if it means kicking more of the cans down the road. 

I have that belief because of the history we have. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Didn't we get outbid for Marcus Williams this offseason? 

OUtbid because we didn't have the money, or outbid, because we didn't see more value? Hard to quantify. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Abram Smith?  Green as can be but runs with punch and seems to know to follow blockers.  Considering how green he is as a RB, the time at LB helped with his vision. 

yeah hes another one. 3 rookies out there to give a shot. 

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Since the board is making mental health diagnosis I'm going to take a stab at yours.

I'm assuming you have been or are undiagnosed with borderline personality disorder, bi- Polar or the more rare dissociative identity disorder.

On a smaller scale you exhibit narccisistic traits and sociopathic traits.

Being your buddy I'd recommend you seek professional help, a well trained therapist can help you manage some of the above with or without meds.

Good luck God bless. 🙏...

Standing on moral high ground while telling people they have mental disorders…do you not see the conflict?

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This  factually incorrect statement comes from your misunderstanding of his logic on borrowing from the future. But yes, COVID hurt him.

The idea that borrowing a whole dollar today, and only paying back 75 cents comes from the expectation of salary cap increases every year. With Covid, that didnt happen as expected. So now his loans for that year became more expensive than he ever could have planned for. 

But using this theory, you should be looking to shrink that dead cap number.

Eagles had 63 million in dead cap last year and have 58 million in dead cap this year. 

Currently, Eagles have 26 million in dead cap already for 2023, and then will be adding the Kelce and Cox post June 1 cuts that are already planned to 2023 and 2024.

With the limited cap space, there will also be several restructures needed to be done, so the Eagles could very easily approach north of 50 million in dead cap again in 2023.

 

Howies plan forsees that the chunk of dead cap continues to represent a smaller % of the actual cap.

Because of COVID that didnt happen, for 1 year, but that probably threw off his future projections as well.

I figured he would change his approach to play catch up. And we would experience a hell year. But he hasnt. He has continued using dead money as a tool. So I can only assume that he has adjusted his plan and knows how far he can go with it. 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Didn't we get outbid for Marcus Williams this offseason, and then have to use draft resources on a one year rental instead ??

FYP

Just now, downundermike said:

But using this theory, you should be looking to shrink that dead cap number.

Eagles had 63 million in dead cap last year and have 58 million in dead cap this year. 

Currently, Eagles have 26 million in dead cap already for 2023, and then will be adding the Kelce and Cox post June 1 cuts that are already planned to 2023 and 2024.

With the limited cap space, there will also be several restructures needed to be done, so the Eagles could very easily approach north of 50 million in dead cap again in 2023.

 

Correct.

And its not my theory. Its the theory Howie himself explained. So he knows all of this.

Which is why logically, we have to assume he has adjusted and knows how far he can take it. 

You see the pile of dead cap growing. So do I. But I am aware that there was a plan. Its not by accident. So we should be fine.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But using this theory, you should be looking to shrink that dead cap number.

Eagles had 63 million in dead cap last year and have 58 million in dead cap this year. 

Currently, Eagles have 26 million in dead cap already for 2023, and then will be adding the Kelce and Cox post June 1 cuts that are already planned to 2023 and 2024.

With the limited cap space, there will also be several restructures needed to be done, so the Eagles could very easily approach north of 50 million in dead cap again in 2023.

 

As you post that I see your dead cap numbers going from 63, to 58, to 50. Thats a clear decrease.

So he is shrinking that pile, WHILE the cap will continue to increase. (barring another unforseen pandemic). Which means the % of the cap represented by dead money is exponentially decreasing. We are in good shape.

You are explaining why his plan is a sound one.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I still don't think we're done at safety.  

 

 

That's the post.  

Is that more of an indictment on Epps or the depth behind?

20 minutes until waiver claims go through, what positions do you think the team addresses, and what would you hope they do.

I would like to see a RB added, Sanders status for week 1 up in the air, and we really have no one who can get tough yards.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This  factually incorrect statement comes from your misunderstanding of his logic on borrowing from the future. But yes, COVID did indeed hurt him.

The idea that borrowing a whole dollar today, and only paying back 75 cents comes from the expectation of salary cap increases every year. With Covid, that didnt happen as expected. So now his loans for that year became more expensive than he ever could have planned for. 

Think of this. 1 dollar today equals x% of the salary cap currently. When you kick that dollar down the road, and the cap increases, that dollar is now worth y% of the cap. Y represents a smaller % than x. For example 1 dollar out of 100 is a larger % than 1 dollar out of 150. But when you borrow that dollar expecting it to be a % of the 150, and it remains at 100 for unforseeable circumstances, now your plan is in big trouble. 

I was told there'd be no math.

 

Well, not quadratic equations, anyway....

Agree the Cap is a Howie thing, manages to do what needs to be done, mostly, and continues to roll...

1 minute ago, Doc S. said:

I was told there'd be no math.

 

Well, not quadratic equations, anyway....

Agree the Cap is a Howie thing, manages to do what needs to be done, mostly, and continues to roll...

Im not even a math guy. At all. But this is a simple concept.