9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Countess absolutely is a miss.  Pryor can be a 'hit', in that he brought back basically what it cost to draft him.

But, if Countess doesn't play a snap for the Eagles, then was he a hit for the Eagles?   Nope.   Was Raheem Brock a hit for the Eagles?   Nope.  He was a hit for the Colts.  Jordan Poyer was also a miss.  Because he hit somewhere else.  Just as Al Harris was a hit for the Eagles, not the Bucs.

Just for the record, I completely disagree with this take. Was Eagles fourth rounder Bob Kuechenberg a good draft selection? I'm not sure if he's in the HOF or not, but he was a standout guard for those great Dolphins teams. The fact that a team doesn't utilize a player properly or recognize what they have doesn't negate the fact that the actual selection that was made was a good one.

What about Sonny Jurgensen? Were the Eagles wrong to pick him in the first place, or was their mistake made when they traded him?

Heck, I still consider Rasul Douglas to be a good pick.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uh yeah!!!!  Get all on that.  

Maybe Sermon will sign here if you let him know how much you like nut jobs. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If they are dumb enough to pay him, God bless. Get that money. 
 

Bonus - he can’t play anymore and will get abused by Sweat and Reddick

There is that, and probably gonna be true, but he was a huge part of our team for years. Not enough bandwidth to express how vital he was to this franchise. Remember him taking Mailata under his wing? How'd that work out?

I now feel like he threw a big middle finger at all of us and said me, me, me. Cowboys? Really? Hated Rival? Tone Deaf much?

He's got 5 Million bucks in his Small Change Account, so what's the point?

JP makin Money Moves. Welp, hope the Cowpads pay him. Look forward to his false starts and Riddick all up in his sh!t.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I understand your point but if you think about the draft being primarily a talent evaluation process, I could see where classifying them as misses is a bit inaccurate.  Cutting them from the team and the player succeeding elsewhere isn't a drafting issue.  It's a GM issue undoubtedly but not one where the scouting staff and Howie are missing on the pick.  

This.

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

 

Already posted

1 minute ago, Doc S. said:

There is that, and probably gonna be true, but he was a huge part of our team for years. Not enough bandwidth to express how vital he was to this franchise. Remember him taking Mailata under his wing? How'd that work out?

I now feel like he threw a big middle finger at all of us and said me, me, me. Cowboys? Really? Hated Rival? Tone Deaf much?

He's got 5 Million bucks in his Small Change Account, so what's the point?

JP makin Money Moves. Welp, hope the Cowpads pay him. Look forward to his false starts and Riddick all up in his sh!t.

How do you know how much money he has? 

Y'know, Harold Carmichael ended up playing for the Cowboys at the tail end of his career. As far as I know, no Eagles fans are crucifying him over that.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is he a nutjob?

Oh I thought you meant something different 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

No, the discipline that can be imposed is entirely determined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that games are licensed and televised. If you read the CBA, I think the language is unquestionably broad enough to allow the NFL to impose a suspension.  Moreover, there is specific grounds under the Personal Conduct Policy which includes acts of violence against a co-worker or third-party in the workplace.   

 

Ok.

So far, that is not how the nfl is handling it.

Just now, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Y'know, Harold Carmichael ended up playing for the Cowboys at the tail end of his career. As far as I know, no Eagles fans are crucifying him over that.

2 games and he quit because it didn't feel right. 

Just now, MidMoFo said:

Ok.

So far, that is not how the nfl is handling it.

Yes -  There is just a rule that says the players are subject to discipline not that the NFL has to impose any.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

2 games and he quit because it didn't feel right. 

He was cut by the Cowboys.

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Just for the record, I completely disagree with this take. Was Eagles fourth rounder Bob Kuechenberg a good draft selection? I'm not sure if he's in the HOF or not, but he was a standout guard for those great Dolphins teams. The fact that a team doesn't utilize a player properly or recognize what they have doesn't negate the fact that the actual selection that was made was a good one.

What about Sonny Jurgensen? Were the Eagles wrong to pick him in the first place, or was their mistake made when they traded him?

Heck, I still consider Rasul Douglas to be a good pick.

The GM can make a good pick, and the pick can still be a bust -- because the coaching staff doesn't develop him, the culture doesn't mesh with the player, etc.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I understand your point but if you think about the draft being primarily a talent evaluation process, I could see where classifying them as misses is a bit inaccurate.  Cutting them from the team and the player succeeding elsewhere isn't a drafting issue.  It's a GM issue undoubtedly but not one where the scouting staff and Howie are missing on the pick.  

IMO it's a case by case basis. Chip/Scouts evaluated Poyer as a CB. He stunk and went to S on another team and became All-Pro. It's a miss all the way around on this side because they missed his evaluation as a CB and then missed on not moving him to S. 

Howie getting credit for that feels like the kid who got an A on the group project but slept through most of the work.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So did Randall.  

And Tommy McDonald

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I understand your point but if you think about the draft being primarily a talent evaluation process, I could see where classifying them as misses is a bit inaccurate.  Cutting them from the team and the player succeeding elsewhere isn't a drafting issue.  It's a GM issue undoubtedly but not one where the scouting staff and Howie are missing on the pick.  

I see the draft as an evaluation process to add talent to the team that is employing them.  I also would add that drafting a 3-4 OLB to plug into a 4-3 SLB likely isn't a good idea.  Drafting a stud Cover 2 CB to play tight man to man defense isn't going to work well, even if that player leaves and goes on to be a Pro Bowler at Cover 2 with another team.  

I mean, the argument could be made that the coaching staff needs to fit the scheme to the personnel, but at the same time, the personnel department has to know what the coaching staff prefers.  Gotta find the right pieces to fit into the system.  Not an easy job... but that's why they get the big bucks... right?

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How do you know how much money he has? 

Dark Web.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So did Randall.  

I forgot that he did that but it was also the season where the Eagles beat Dallas in the pickle juice game so no one cared.  

 

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The league isn't responsible for conduct or doling out punishment during any sort of practice, that falls on the team. That isn't the case for an actual game. 

Also, the funniest part about the Garrett deal was how he claimed Rudolph said something racist to him. We never had a follow-up to that so I'm assuming there was never anything there at all.  

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28697201/myles-garrett-again-alleges-mason-rudolph-called-racial-slur-sparking-brawl

An NFL spokesman said at the time that the league "found no such evidence" that Rudolph used the slur, and the suspension was upheld.

Rudolph has called the allegation "totally untrue."

"I couldn't believe it," the quarterback said Nov. 24. "I couldn't believe he would go that route after the fact."

In Thursday's interview, Garrett recounted a different version of events and blamed Rudolph for starting the fight that led to the discipline of 33 players and fines amounting to $732,422.

"I don't say the N-word, whether it's with 'a' [or] 'er.' To me, personally, [it] just shouldn't be said, whether it's by family, friends, anyone," Garrett said. "I don't want to use it because I don't want [people to] find that appropriate around me for anyone to use.

"When he said it, it kind of sparked something, but I still tried to let it go and still walk away. But once he came back, it kind of reignited the situation. And not only have you escalated things past what they needed to be with such little time in the game left, now you're trying to reengage and start a fight again. It's definitely not entirely his fault; it's definitely both parties doing something that we shouldn't have been doing."

The Steelers had run a final play with eight seconds left on the clock. Rudolph initially tussled with Garrett on the ground, then charged at him after Garrett forcibly removed Rudolph's helmet. At that point, Garrett hit Rudolph over the head with it.

The league fined the Browns and Steelers $250,000 each. Without Garrett, Cleveland's defense cratered down the stretch en route to a 6-10 finish.

Reached for comment, the Steelers on Thursday deferred to their November statement, which read in part, "Mason vehemently denies the report of being accused of using a racial slur during the incident."

Rudolph's agent and attorney, Tim Younger, was unavailable for comment Thursday.

"I know something was said," Garrett told Kimes. "Now whether the NFL wants to acknowledge it, that's up to them. But I don't want to make it a racial thing, honestly. It's over with for me. And I'm pretty sure it's over with for Mason. So we just wanna move past and keep on playing football."

9 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Just for the record, I completely disagree with this take. Was Eagles fourth rounder Bob Kuechenberg a good draft selection? I'm not sure if he's in the HOF or not, but he was a standout guard for those great Dolphins teams. The fact that a team doesn't utilize a player properly or recognize what they have doesn't negate the fact that the actual selection that was made was a good one.

What about Sonny Jurgensen? Were the Eagles wrong to pick him in the first place, or was their mistake made when they traded him?

Heck, I still consider Rasul Douglas to be a good pick.

Drafting him was good.  Trading him for Norm Snead was bad.   Cutting a player versus trading the player is very different.   Cutting means the player can't help you at all.  So, someone somewhere within the organization there was a major disconnect.  Ultimately, the goal is to add talent that helps your team, not some other team.  Front office and coaching staff have to work together for it to work properly.

27 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Get him Howie!!

#19 on the waiver wire, eh... 

21 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

There is that, and probably gonna be true, but he was a huge part of our team for years. Not enough bandwidth to express how vital he was to this franchise. Remember him taking Mailata under his wing? How'd that work out?

I now feel like he threw a big middle finger at all of us and said me, me, me. Cowboys? Really? Hated Rival? Tone Deaf much?

He's got 5 Million bucks in his Small Change Account, so what's the point?

JP makin Money Moves. Welp, hope the Cowpads pay him. Look forward to his false starts and Riddick all up in his sh!t.

Players go where the money is.  Few are going to get worked up on that other stuff if only one team calls... they'll pick up the phone.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I see the draft as an evaluation process to add talent to the team that is employing them.  I also would add that drafting a 3-4 OLB to plug into a 4-3 SLB likely isn't a good idea.  Drafting a stud Cover 2 CB to play tight man to man defense isn't going to work well, even if that player leaves and goes on to be a Pro Bowler at Cover 2 with another team.  

I mean, the argument could be made that the coaching staff needs to fit the scheme to the personnel, but at the same time, the personnel department has to know what the coaching staff prefers.  Gotta find the right pieces to fit into the system.  Not an easy job... but that's why they get the big bucks... right?

I agree that there is a fit element to the players that the GM has to consider.  I think we have to consider that roster cuts of low round picks happen to every team and it doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of skill or fit.