1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Look where the safety is aligned in cover 3. I’m taking about initial alignment for run defense purposes, not where they end up if it’s a passing play. 

The alignment distance pre-snap is negated by initial movement post-snap. Further, you can easily disguise your coverages with pre-snap looks anyhow, running cover-2 from a single-high look and running cover-3 from a two-deep look. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Correct. At the expense of dropping your two corners. Like is shown in the diagrams, the total number of underneath defenders is less with cover-3. The numbers advantage in stopping the run is with cover-2, not cover-3.

Ehh. I don’t really agree. The SS and LBs aren’t dropping until they’ve read their run keys first. There are more defenders near or in the box in single high vs two high. This is why Schwartz played so much single high safety. He wanted the extra run defender. 

The Bears had a huge advantage with their cover 3 because Urlacher was a college safety and he was often their deep middle guy.

A win tomorrow more or less locks us into the one seed, barring a major choke job.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

The alignment distance pre-snap is negated by initial movement post-snap. Further, you can easily disguise your coverages with pre-snap looks anyhow, running cover-2 from a single-high look and running cover-3 from a two-deep look. 

You aren’t blindly dropping until you’ve read your keys. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Correct. At the expense of dropping your two corners. Like is shown in the diagrams, the total number of underneath defenders is less with cover-3. The numbers advantage in stopping the run is with cover-2, not cover-3.

You don’t make your zone drop and then play the run, you play the run from where you start. Cover-3 the SS is in the box, Cover-2 both safeties are typically high, otherwise they are out of position to cover their deep halves.

why didn't the colts do this to the boys 

Colts have 2016 Matt Ryan today

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

A win tomorrow more or less locks us into the one seed, barring a major choke job.

Depends on if Dallas wins out. If we win tomorrow and Dallas wins out, we have to win both our last 2 games or they get the division

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Depends on if Dallas wins out. If we win tomorrow and Dallas wins out, we have to win both our last 2 games or they get the division

That's why I said barring a major choke job. This team, that has Superbowl aspirations, has no business losing to the Saints or Giants with the one seed on the line.

Cover 3 is a better alignment to defend the run than Cover 2 is. That's football 101.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

You don’t make your zone drop and then play the run, you play the run from where you start. Cover-3 the SS is in the box, Cover-2 both safeties are typically high, otherwise they are out of position to cover their deep halves.

Once again, the pre-snap look can be disguised as almost all teams do. You can easily walk the SS up a few steps to give you a single-high look, only to have him drop deep right after the snap. We literally did this ourselves last week with Josiah Scott dropping to a deep third from the slot. 

Seriously, the Vikes could finish the day with a -50 point differential for the season lol.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Once again, the pre-snap look can be disguised as almost all teams do. You can easily walk the SS up a few steps to give you a single-high look, only to have him drop deep right after the snap. We literally did this ourselves last week with Josiah Scott dropping to a deep third from the slot. 

Okay - show 9 in the box then since your players can read the run and get back to their deep coverage assignments.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You aren’t blindly dropping until you’ve read your keys. 

You do them at the same time. You don't sit with your feet stuck in sand waiting to drop to your zone. That's a recipe to getting torched on play action all day. But even in a defense intended to attack the LOS or sell out to stop the run, you can still do everything you're saying with a disguised pre-snap look. The difference in alignment isn't night and day.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You do them at the same time. You don't sit with your feet stuck in sand waiting to drop to your zone. That's a recipe to getting torched on play action all day. But even in a defense intended to attack the LOS or sell out to stop the run, you can still do everything you're saying with a disguised pre-snap look. The difference in alignment isn't night and day.

Play action, where are your defenders?

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

Play action, where are your defenders?

That SS is getting BBQ'd if you coach them to attack the LOS before dropping into their zone after seeing the RB without the ball. That's a real easy way to give up 7 pts every drive.

Why are the Vikings playing like they have backups out there and have wrapped everything up already.  They haven't even clinched yet.   

3 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Why are the Vikings playing like they have backups out there and have wrapped everything up already.  They haven't even clinched yet.   

Because they suck

50 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

What are the Vikings going to do next?

a) failed trick play
b) turnover
c) drop a wide open TD
d) your choice

d) throw a Pick 6

lucky that muff happened on the sidelines

28 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You do them at the same time. You don't sit with your feet stuck in sand waiting to drop to your zone. That's a recipe to getting torched on play action all day. But even in a defense intended to attack the LOS or sell out to stop the run, you can still do everything you're saying with a disguised pre-snap look. The difference in alignment isn't night and day.

No, you play your run keys and then get to your zone. You don’t just run to the zone while looking into the backfield. 

This is why play-action passes are much more effective than straight drop backs. It creates huge gaps and stresses coverage rules. 

You can have the SS in the box and drop into cover 2, but good luck getting your correct depth vs. play action. The reason cover 3 is better for run defense is that if it’s PA, you aren’t asking your SS to to do much beyond get to a spot in the flat. 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I understand your confusion.  I worded the statement as "Vikings lose …” rather than "Colts defeat …” on purpose.  I want the Vikings to go 0-4 and the Lions to go 4-0 in the coming games.  It is unlikely, but desired.  The win on the Colts’ ledger is a biproduct rather than a primary product.

The fear you have articulated is absolutely justified.  We will know more about that on Sunday after the final gun sounds in the Falcons-Saints game.

The above comment of mine may give y'all a sense of how I am feeling right now. 😍

Skol!

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe thats how you stop us from scoring- fast.  But it wont stop us from scoring.

We would run all over that defense. And the zone can be picked apart with RPOs. Also, Goedert will be back so there should be no issues throwing it between the numbers.

Thats also why i say cover 3. Keeps 8 for run fits

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That SS is getting BBQ'd if you coach them to attack the LOS before dropping into their zone after seeing the RB without the ball. That's a real easy way to give up 7 pts every drive.

Attack? No, the C2 safety will get cooked just reading the play from the box which is what you are proposing. Now if you’re showing defenders in the box, but they immediately bail - then they aren’t really in a position to come downhill once they read the run, right?

Reagor 😂