7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Good point. I really can’t say.  You would have to ask Doug what he called.  AR calls the most RPOs.  That’s where Doug picked it up.  I believe the QB runs from it on occasion and the draw plays look designed as AR runs it.  Were those RO plays?  Possibly. Both are run blocking.  So when the QB pulls the ball back and runs instead of passing was it read option or run pass option? The difference is which defender is the QB’s key read. Hard to say because it is hard to see who the QB is reading, the LB or DE.  But does that really make a difference on the designed QB runs?   I suspect the draws are RPOs.  The misdirection plays?  Not sure.  Quite possibly both.  Pretty sure the everyone is covered but all that grass are runs on the fly.   

Do you think designed QB runs are more prevalent in the RO because the QB is reading the DE?  Then wouldn’t it make sense that the QB draws are more prevalent in the RPO? Outside runs, RO, inside runs possibly either?  But a QB with running ability makes both more difficult to defend, especially if the QB is a NFL level passer.  

You and @Iggles_Phan have me curious enough to spend more time on the offense in the All 22 this year. 

You can tell an RPO because half of the line pass blocks. 

That's why hurts gets illegal man down field penalties when he holds the ball too long after he's decided to throw. 

8 hours ago, justrelax said:

I am impressed at how thoroughly so many completely misunderstood the thrust of my post.

A QB who can run and will run is a nightmare for a defense.

You want a QB who can do that. I stated quite clearly that I want a QB who can pass. BUT an indifferent passer like Lamar can still lead a top level offense.

Brady clouds our minds. He’s an outlier. There’s no one like him. Trying to get the next Brady is a fool’s errand.

It's almost like they have never watched Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

In today's NFL, you want your QBs to both run and throw. 

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's almost like they have never watched Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

In today's NFL, you want your QBs to both run and throw. 

Mahomes averages 18.9 rushing yards a game. Hurts is at 55.6 per game as a starter. Being able to avoid pressure and move in the pocket is not the same thing as being a runner.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Mahomes averages 18.9 rushing yards a game. Being able to avoid pressure and move in the pocket is not the same thing as being a runner.

That indicates he's picking up first downs here and there on the ground though, which is the smart way to qb run.

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's almost like they have never watched Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

In today's NFL, you want your QBs to both run and throw. 

Outliers as jr said

its pass before run. You can winnpassing without running. The inverse not so much. And winning i mean playoff games and titles

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's almost like they have never watched Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

In today's NFL, you want your QBs to both run and throw. 

It's almost like you've never watched Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. 

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can tell an RPO because half of the line pass blocks. 

That's why hurts gets illegal man down field penalties when he holds the ball too long after he's decided to throw. 

I think you meant to say half the line run blocks. On RPOs the OL treats it like a run, which, as you say, means the ball has to get out in a hurry if the QB decides to throw. OTOH, if the run is not there and the defense rotates to cover the particular receiver for whom the play is designed, now the QB has to run or throw it away. He can't go to a secondary receiver because the OL are now downfield.

24 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I think you meant to say half the line run blocks. On RPOs the OL treats it like a run, which, as you say, means the ball has to get out in a hurry if the QB decides to throw. OTOH, if the run is not there and the defense rotates to cover the particular receiver for whom the play is designed, now the QB has to run or throw it away. He can't go to a secondary receiver because the OL are now downfield.

He said RPO and read option are both run blocking. So I purposely said pass blocks to let him know that RPO is not just run blocking. He is aware of the run blocking part. I wanted to point out the pass blocking part.

But I see how my post didnt flow well when I went in to the illegal line down field part. Since that is due to the run blockers.

Never Forget

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never Forget

 

 

Anyone ever pick him up on their practice squad or is he full blown out of the league already? 

47 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Outliers as jr said

its pass before run. You can winnpassing without running. The inverse not so much. And winning i mean playoff games and titles

 

 

Who runs before passing?  What QB in the history of the league has more rushing attempts than passing attempts? 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Anyone ever pick him up on their practice squad or is he full blown out of the league already? 

 

I think I saw he had a workout with the Broncos?  Don't know if anything came from it or if he had any others.

 

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Who runs before passing?  What QB in the history of the league has more rushing attempts than passing attempts? 

Lamar Jackson and Tim Tebow. Career wise no, but they both have games where they ran more than they attempted to throw.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He said RPO and read option are both run blocking. So I purposely said pass blocks to let him know that RPO is not just run blocking. He is aware of the run blocking part. I wanted to point out the pass blocking part.

But I see how my post didnt flow well when I went in to the illegal line down field part. Since that is due to the run blockers.

I knew perfectly well that you knew what you were talking about. Didn’t mean to be ****y, just trying to clarify.

46 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He said RPO and read option are both run blocking. So I purposely said pass blocks to let him know that RPO is not just run blocking. He is aware of the run blocking part. I wanted to point out the pass blocking part.

But I see how my post didnt flow well when I went in to the illegal line down field part. Since that is due to the run blockers.

Everything I have read about the RPO is that the OL is run blocking.  The key reads are the presnap alignment and post snap, usually focusing on the SS or MIKE as the conflict or apex defender. On the RO, everything I ever read suggests the key read is the DE and the blocking is for running.  Not sure I am following what you are saying.  Diagram (Xs & Os), picture or film that can show me what you mean?  Thanks @justrelax @HazletonEagle

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never Forget

How could I forget, I have that jawn framed in 3 rooms. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

@Iggles_Phan Howie did this just for you (and the NFL requirements).

Why do we need $6mil in cap space? The trade deadline? Extending a player?

1 minute ago, CouchKing said:

Why do we need $6mil in cap space? The trade deadline? Extending a player?

Just options. It rolls over and negates the restructure impact if we don’t use it

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never Forget

Can I get this autographed? Carson Strong is my hero.

4 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Why do we need $6mil in cap space? The trade deadline? Extending a player?

Eagles were over the cap once the top 51 rule expired at midnight last night.  They had to be cap compliant, and will need money for the 53rd player that they eventually sign, and for any in season moves they make.

3 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Why do we need $6mil in cap space? The trade deadline? Extending a player?

Odell Beckham Jr signing  

I imagine just getting under the cap and creating flexibility for the year if they need to make any moves. 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Everything I have read about the RPO is that the OL is run blocking.  The key reads are the presnap alignment and post snap, usually focusing on the SS or MIKE as the conflict or apex defender. On the RO, everything I ever read suggests the key read is the DE and the blocking is for running.  Not sure I am following what you are saying.  Diagram (Xs & Os), picture or film that can show me what you mean?  Thanks 

Jump to about 51 seconds in the 1st video. RPO. You will see the LT, and LG pass block, while the C, RG, and RT run block.

 

Here, Doug Pederson will diagram plays and talk about it. Its not as simple as just reading a LB. Sometimes its figuring out the box count. Knowing pre-snap who is going to fill, and how safeties will rotate. Doug explains this stuff in this video. 

Click "watch on youtube" link in the box below. NFL is blocking it from importing on to here.

 

39 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Anyone ever pick him up on their practice squad or is he full blown out of the league already? 

Do you finally feel vindicated 6 years later after the Ruben Randle debacle ??