7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

We've got everything.  Alcoholics, a flat-earther, commies, a Russian loyalist, casual racism, memes, a possibly fake lawyer who thinks he's a horse.  

Just missing Dan Cortese 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

As far as setting up play action, that’s the change up analogy.  For eating clock…sure, but you need a nice lead before you are eating clock.  Even then, completed passes for first downs eat a lot more clock than 3 runs and a punt.

Not necessarily.  A 4 minute offense needs any lead.  Some teams want to limit possessions for their opposition and so they want to start to chew up the clock from the opening kickoff.  

3 runs and a first down chews more clock than 1 first down by passing and then 3 incompletions too.  

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For clarity,  in fairness to the guy,  is a gated community.  He couldn't come in here to shoot out the hood. He would have only allowed in with a realtor.

He did buy the house during the school year last year.  But he hasn't been around daily till excavation started a few weeks ago. 

I do believe his driveway will take up some road space. I think it'd be rude to block his driveway,  but I do think he won't technically own the last 5 feet of his driveway up to the road. I think that's technically still part of the easement that isn't really his. 

If people don't park there,  I'm not sure there's enough parking on this stretch of road anymore. 

May have to end up moving the bus stop.

F him

24 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Interesting...

Happier with AJ Brown but obviously that involved a first round pick

That's tough. I think big picture, for the Eagles at the moment, Robinson would have been the better get.  In no way am I saying that Robinson is the better player.  He isn't.  I say this because the Eagles just invested heavily in trading up for DeVonta Smith and paying Dallas Goedert a top contract.  They also have a potential HUGE QB contract coming up in 2023 and Allen Robinsons contract gives them much more cap flexibility. 

Did the Eagles envision Smith as a true #1 WR when they traded up for him?  If so, they Robinson would have been a great complimentary #2 WR getting 60-65 catches while feeding Smith to get him as many catches as possible.

By bringing in AJ Brown, the Eagles have said to Smith that he is clear target #2 or possibly #3 with Dallas Goedert.  You don't pay a guy $100 million and not have him your number 1 target.  Now we should be hoping that Brown is catching 85-100 balls, Smith and Goedert around 70 or so.

More than likely, we're going to see all 3 get 70 or so catches for the year.  IMO, that's not enough production for the investment.  

Allen Robinson at 3 years $46 million plus their 1st round pick in their pocket

-or-

AJ Brown at 4 years $100 million and no 1st round pick

On top of all of that, Hurts hasn't shown that he can make multiple reads so there's a good chance one of the top 3 aren't getting near enough targets.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Many of Hurts’s runs are pass plays that break down, not necessarily opportunities for the RB.

We do call QB read options, but it’s no 6-8 times a game

It depends on the game in question.   Against the Saints... yeah, I'm pretty sure it was that many designed QB runs.   I'll add as well, that instances where he immediately breaks the pocket for no reason rather than giving the play a chance to develop would be a 'designed QB run', at least in terms of his own mind.   I'd love to see the breakdown of times he 'scrambled' on 3rd downs versus other downs.  It might just be my bias, but I seem to remember him breaking off runs on 3rd downs much more frequently with good enough pockets to let the play develop than on other downs.  

I'm not going to get too excited over the first four games, one way or another.

I learned my lesson when the Eagles started 7-2 and walloped the 49ers in SF - thought they were headed to the SB. They then went 0-7 and SF won the SB.

Howie is in a funny place, I think he planned on a 3 year rebuild, starting with 2020, the plan to be competitive in 2023 after a couple big drafts with those high picks. Instead they arrived two years early, so he went out and got Reddick and Brown. This explains some of the dead money shenanigans, he probably assumed he had a couple years to burn it off, then the team screwed him by being better than expected.

Running is a skill, and to knock Hurts b/c he's an elite running QB (rated the most effective running QB in the league by FO) is silly.

It's not enough, but he ran about the same as Allen, so the problem isn't with his running, but the need to improve his passing.

And that will either happen or it won't, I'll wait and see, not just the 1st game, but the season, it's one thing to practice things all summer, but the key is incorporating those improvements into real games - and exhibition games are no substitute for real games at real speed against #1 defenses that aren't resting veterans. So it may take time for some of these things to become second nature under game conditions.

Hurts has to show improvement this season, his experience is limited enough to assume there is upside potential, but in his second full season as a starter, he should be much closer to a finished product going into December than he was last year.

 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

That's tough. I think big picture, for the Eagles at the moment, Robinson would have been the better get.  In no way am I saying that Robinson is the better player.  He isn't.  I say this because the Eagles just invested heavily in trading up for DeVonta Smith and paying Dallas Goedert a top contract.  They also have a potential HUGE QB contract coming up in 2023 and Allen Robinsons contract gives them much more cap flexibility. 

Did the Eagles envision Smith as a true #1 WR when they traded up for him?  If so, they Robinson would have been a great complimentary #2 WR getting 60-65 catches while feeding Smith to get him as many catches as possible.

By bringing in AJ Brown, the Eagles have said to Smith that he is clear target #2 or possibly #3 with Dallas Goedert.  You don't pay a guy $100 million and not have him your number 1 target.  Now we should be hoping that Brown is catching 85-100 balls, Smith and Goedert around 70 or so.

More than likely, we're going to see all 3 get 70 or so catches for the year.  IMO, that's not enough production for the investment.  

Allen Robinson at 3 years $46 million plus their 1st round pick in their pocket

-or-

AJ Brown at 4 years $100 million and no 1st round pick

On top of all of that, Hurts hasn't shown that he can make multiple reads so there's a good chance one of the top 3 aren't getting near enough targets.  

To be fair age makes a huge difference to me as well.  25 vs 29 is a world of difference in WRs.

But I certainly see your point.  

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Running is a skill, and to knock Hurts b/c he's an elite running QB (rated the most effective running QB in the league by FO) is silly.

It's not enough, but he ran about the same as Allen, so the problem isn't with his running, but the need to improve his passing.

Yes and No.  Hurts 139 runs against 432 passes.  Allen 122 runs against 646 passes. 

1.  It's a matter of frequency.

2.  I'd be willing to bet $257.49 on the Bills diminishing Allen's run frequency by 25% or more this season.  I wouldn't bet a nickel on Hurts reducing his.

16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

lol WTF is McCarthy doing?

Bets on when Sean Payton will be The General of the Week?

18 hours ago, eagle45 said:

People have been saying that the game is changing to favor running qbs since the mid 80’s.  Literally…running qbs have been hyped as "new age/era” for about 30 years now.

They are old school qbs.  If anything, the new era qbs are the pocket statues who are so surgical with their arms that they don’t need to move.  30 years ago with the way the game was officiated, that was less of an option.

And the college game is not an ahead of the curve preview of what’s to come.  The chemistry and sophistication of a passing offense is just far inferior to what it can be in the pros.  A dominant running game is just more reliable in ncaa than the pros.

But the absolute elite end of CFB?  Nick Saban was the one that benched that running qb.  The last several national champs were overwhelmingly passing qbs.

Prior to 2015, 2007 was the lowest year in terms of average yards rushing per starting QB.  The highest average was 1951.  https://www.footballperspective.com/quarterback-rushing-data-since-1950/

18 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Lamar Jackson would be exactly what we need to get the 1 or 2 seed and then lose at home to a boo’ing crowd in the divisional round for the next 3 years.

Lamar would be terrible for the team absent some extermely luck breaks.  I just am staking out my position for the blog early when it happens. I am hoping arguing about Lamar non-stop here will ease the pain of seeing the Ravens win multiple Super Bowls with Stroud or Levis. 

Love Jason kelce. Second when he and his brother are done playing, they should do routine podcasts or get one tv cause i think they’d be a good tandem like eli and Peyton 

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait, what happened to Kay Adams?  She go into porn?

You can interpret "Up" as you wish.

 

 

22 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

lol WTF is McCarthy doing?

I see McCarthy is in the getting massages phase of his head coaching stint in Dallas.  

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Bets on when Sean Payton will be The General of the Week?

I think if it needs to be a coaching change middle of the season then Dan Quinn will get the job.  If they make the change after the season Payton might get it.

But, then again, if McDaniel doesn't sue the Dolphins and the NFL after he gets fired, Payton and Brady will both be in MIA next season.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait, what happened to Kay Adams?  She go into porn?

Maybe the herpes on her lip is getting too tough to conceal?  

I kid, I love me some Kay Adams. 

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Thanks. Look at the flow blocking on the three clips on the Pederson clip.  Flow run blocking, which also helps defeat man downfield.  I did see the pass blocking on the clip you mentioned.  But also in that clip, you see JP seal.  That is run blocking, I believe.  So some pass blocking is evident in some RPO snaps.  But the main difference is the read.  Thanks for sharing. Learned some more which always makes the game more enjoyable.

BTW, @Iggles_Phan, check out the first clip where Doug starts off saying that the QB running is the third option but they don’t do that.  Proves what you were saying but validates that the QB run option is part of the RPO, which validates what @justrelax was saying about QBs that can run.  So that sort of counters what was being said about statues as I see it.  I don’t think anyone disagrees that passing ability is primary to running ability.  Right behind the ability to read, do it quickly and react quickly. 

That's for if the QB screwed up the initial read or hesitates in the release.

 

What was said about statues, at least by me... is that I prefer a statue with quick release, quick decision making, etc. over a slow delivery, slow decision making, QB with running ability.  Running ability is like the 6th or 7th thing on the list for me... not sure what number but way down there.

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Many of Hurts’s runs are pass plays that break down, not necessarily opportunities for the RB.

We do call QB read options, but it’s no 6-8 times a game

Both statements are certainly true.

As regards the second, he doesn't have to run on RO 6-8 times a game. Just one or two is enough to nail the DE because if he crashes down it's free yardage.

There's another point I failed to make about a QB who is willing to run: just as the rules now encourage passing by ham-stringing the DBs, they also protect a running QB. The QB slides, gives himself up, that's 15 yards if someone hits him. Judicious running by the QB on, for example, the RO, is safer than standing back in the pocket. Can't slide back there. The RO is a nice call on, say, 3rd and 3. First and 10, not so much.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Running is a skill, and to knock Hurts b/c he's an elite running QB (rated the most effective running QB in the league by FO) is silly.

Well, he is not the most effective running QB, Josh Allen led the league in yards per carry, almost a full yard better than Hurts

Lamar Jackson also averaged more yards per carry than Hurts.

I don't know who FO is and how they rate these things, but they are wrong.

Just now, downundermike said:

Well, he is not the most effective running QB, Josh Allen led the league in yards per carry, almost a full yard better than Hurts

Lamar Jackson also average more yards per carry than Hurts.

I don't know who FO is and how they rate these things, but they are wrong.

In Hurts' defense, his rush yards are more impressive because both of those guys are also threats to throw the ball.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'm not going to get too excited over the first four games, one way or another.

I learned my lesson when the Eagles started 7-2 and walloped the 49ers in SF - thought they were headed to the SB. They then went 0-7 and SF won the SB.

Howie is in a funny place, I think he planned on a 3 year rebuild, starting with 2020, the plan to be competitive in 2023 after a couple big drafts with those high picks. Instead they arrived two years early, so he went out and got Reddick and Brown. This explains some of the dead money shenanigans, he probably assumed he had a couple years to burn it off, then the team screwed him by being better than expected.

Running is a skill, and to knock Hurts b/c he's an elite running QB (rated the most effective running QB in the league by FO) is silly.

It's not enough, but he ran about the same as Allen, so the problem isn't with his running, but the need to improve his passing.

And that will either happen or it won't, I'll wait and see, not just the 1st game, but the season, it's one thing to practice things all summer, but the key is incorporating those improvements into real games - and exhibition games are no substitute for real games at real speed against #1 defenses that aren't resting veterans. So it may take time for some of these things to become second nature under game conditions.

Hurts has to show improvement this season, his experience is limited enough to assume there is upside potential, but in his second full season as a starter, he should be much closer to a finished product going into December than he was last year.

 

Don’t talk about QBs til September, don’t judge the team until game 5, don’t judge Howie’s drafts until... ever.. unless they’re good.... 

Afan’s mind is like a apologist utopia for all things Eagles. 

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You can interpret "Up" as you wish.

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What channel is that on?

Use your free hand to click on the links.

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'm not going to get too excited over the first four games, one way or another.

I learned my lesson when the Eagles started 7-2 and walloped the 49ers in SF - thought they were headed to the SB. They then went 0-7 and SF won the SB.

Howie is in a funny place, I think he planned on a 3 year rebuild, starting with 2020, the plan to be competitive in 2023 after a couple big drafts with those high picks. Instead they arrived two years early, so he went out and got Reddick and Brown. This explains some of the dead money shenanigans, he probably assumed he had a couple years to burn it off, then the team screwed him by being better than expected.

Running is a skill, and to knock Hurts b/c he's an elite running QB (rated the most effective running QB in the league by FO) is silly.

It's not enough, but he ran about the same as Allen, so the problem isn't with his running, but the need to improve his passing.

And that will either happen or it won't, I'll wait and see, not just the 1st game, but the season, it's one thing to practice things all summer, but the key is incorporating those improvements into real games - and exhibition games are no substitute for real games at real speed against #1 defenses that aren't resting veterans. So it may take time for some of these things to become second nature under game conditions.

Hurts has to show improvement this season, his experience is limited enough to assume there is upside potential, but in his second full season as a starter, he should be much closer to a finished product going into December than he was last year.

 

The knock on Hurts running is that he runs too soon and when the better play would be to pass the ball.  

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Many of Hurts’s runs are pass plays that break down, not necessarily opportunities for the RB.

We do call QB read options, but it’s no 6-8 times a game

Half the issue with Hurts, and I think I can speak for many on here who question if he's the answer, is yes, many of his runs to occur on passing plays.  The problem is, running should be the last option on a passing play rather than the 2nd.  I'd say 50% of his pass play scrambles aren't due to the play breaking down but due to Hurts not trusting the pocket or not making his reads correctly.  If read #1 isn't there, boom he's going to run.  Doesn't matter if read 2 and 3 are wide open. 

Now, if the Eagles OL was trash and Hurts was running for his life then he's 100% a great person to have at QB.  If the Eagles WR couldn't get open and he was the last resort at getting any yardage at all, Hurts is a great QB to have.  That's not the case though.  The Eagles have the best OL and WR/TE options who can consistently get open. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Well, he is not the most effective running QB, Josh Allen led the league in yards per carry, almost a full yard better than Hurts

Lamar Jackson also averaged more yards per carry than Hurts.

I don't know who FO is and how they rate these things, but they are wrong.

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