Neat to see us at the top, not so neat to know why Detroit is right there with us….

 

23 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Sheesh.

Maybe that's one of the schemes Howie drew up, that's atrocious.

Schwartz would keep the offense honest in these W9 looks by having Malcolm Jenkins essentially in the box and McLeod ready to crash towards the LoS. Not sure what Gannon was thinking, maybe the other team… isn’t?  Not good.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Good read on some things that many of us (including myself) might not be seeing in Hurts’ development. 

I think everyone would agree those were good plays. The problem is that there were only three of them in the entire game, that doesn't show progression. He could do those things 2-3 times a game last year, when is he going to do them consistently?

4 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Why was the team so unprepared to play the Lions?

I can think of a lot of words to describe Sunday's game, but unprepared wouldn't be one of them.  If they truly were unprepared they wouldn't have strung together three consecutive 3 and Outs followed by a Pick 6.  The problem wasn't preparedness, it was execution.

Same story on Offense ... execution rather than preparedness.  31 points in the first 45 minutes and none in the last 15 minutes.

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

I think everyone would agree those were good plays. The problem is that there were only three of them in the entire game, that doesn't show progression. He could do those things 2-3 times a game last year, when is he going to do them consistently?

It's a long season, and he's not going to instantly convert everything he worked on over the summer into consistent performance. Right now I suspect he's still process information, faster than last year but it'll still take time for it to become second nature.

And it's not just Hurts, Siri will note how teams are defending the RPOs, etc., and make adjustments.

The teams that go deep into the playoffs tend to be the ones that grow during the season. Ideally, you want to make your mistakes in September and be firing on all cylinders in December, I also figure that if you get out of the first four games 2-2 or 3-1, a good team should be able to go 9-4 or so the rest of the way, or they're not a good team.

 

6 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

It was great, did a little deer hunting, all was good, how bout you

Deer hunting already? What state are you in? Or is that just a nickname you gave @hputenis?

7 hours ago, NCTANK said:

him and princess were probably tossed out of the Golden Corral again. 

Who's princess? 

6 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I've made a huge mistake...

Ewww

7 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The blog has turned into politics. Either you’re a Hurts lover or hater. No middle ground. Will twist any fact to prove your point and defend your agenda despite you not really benefitting from it. The only benefit you get is believing that you’re right when in fact no one cares about your stupid opinion anymore than this mumbo jumbo I’m currently ranting about. 

You're so political. I'm nominating you for president of R&R

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Some were hard tackles like Bradberry one on one with Swift (who makes full speed cuts better than almost any other RB). Others… not so much. Jamaal Williams’ first TD was a pretty bad miss by both Epps and Dean. Maddox got worked by Goff in the open field. Those were two crucial misses off the top of my head. 

Goff was getting freaky and Avonte just wasn't ready for it.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

It's a long season, and he's not going to instantly convert everything he worked on over the summer into consistent performance. Right now I suspect he's still process information, faster than last year but it'll still take time for it to become second nature.

And it's not just Hurts, Siri will note how teams are defending the RPOs, etc., and make adjustments.

The teams that go deep into the playoffs tend to be the ones that grow during the season. Ideally, you want to make your mistakes in September and be firing on all cylinders in December, I also figure that if you get out of the first four games 2-2 or 3-1, a good team should be able to go 9-4 or so the rest of the way, or they're not a good team.

So you are saying he still needs reps?

Watched Saints - Falcons to see what to expect from that pick and damn..

If Mariota doesn’t fumble the ball after his run the Falcons win. They still have a three score lead with 12 minutes to go!

I’m so glad not to be a Falcons fan, the world would be a darker place.. 😄

Not that impressed by the Saints, they did win but it wasn’t much for most of the game.

7 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I thought the defense was terrible from start to finish. I don't think it was a conditioning thing. Terrible run fits that put much way too much pressure on the safeties and corners to make tackles. 

They had like 3 3 and outs in a row and really settled in pretty well after the 1st drive.  That's why we were able to build a pretty comfortable lead. 

We had some PDs by the secondary,  and the pick 6. There was a time in that game where they looked great flying around making plays. 

They completely collapsed for the entire second half.  Mostly because Detroit began exploiting Maddox and Edward's in coverage over and over again. 

At half time both Hockenson and St Brown had 6 targets each,  but only 3 catches for like 30  yards or less. I think I recall 27 for one of them when I checked.  We had them handled.  Till they just targeted them while Maddox or Edward's were on them. 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Good read on some things that many of us (including myself) might not be seeing in Hurts’ development. 

Careful. The Hurts haters will get triggered. 

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

It's a long season, and he's not going to instantly convert everything he worked on over the summer into consistent performance. Right now I suspect he's still process information, faster than last year but it'll still take time for it to become second nature.

 

OTA's minicamps and actually playing in preseason games are all opportunities to help him make these things second nature.  That's half the point I've tried to make about practice but so many constantly say that practice isn't important.  Practice is repetition and creates muscle memory  and helps the brain understand things faster and faster the more it knows.  Again, if Hurt was an established QB with little to no areas needed to improve then sure, skip all the practice you want.  Not the case however as there are so many areas of Hurts game that need to be worked on to make second nature.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'm sure it's been posted but still shocking to hear.

Jalen Hurts didnt get to his 3rd progression all game. NOT ONCE!!!!!!

He only got to his second progression, 3 times. 

Think about that. 32 attempts, plus another 10-12 scrambles, he only got to the #2 look,  3 Fing times. GOOD LORD

That is Hurts' biggest issue: not processing situation well and fast enough to adjust to the situation on the field.  He trust his legs running more than arm passing.  He takes off running far more than throwing to receiver when he is out of pocket.  When he throws many away in thr run.  You may even say making accurate throws in the run is not his thing.  

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Maybe if he hits those numbers @austinfan will consider him a good QB finally 

 

PFF would still rank him #8 in the league

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Maybe if he hits those numbers @austinfan will consider him a good QB finally 

 

PFF would still rank him #8 in the league

He is still unproven...

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OTA's minicamps and actually playing in preseason games are all opportunities to help him make these things second nature.  That's half the point I've tried to make about practice but so many constantly say that practice isn't important.  Practice is repetition and creates muscle memory  and helps the brain understand things faster and faster the more it knows.  Again, if Hurt was an established QB with little to no areas needed to improve then sure, skip all the practice you want.  Not the case however as there are so many areas of Hurts game that need to be worked on to make second nature.

Practice isn't important (Like OTAs and being on the field...) until it is important (like joint practices).   And preseason games aren't important, because of joint practices (but what about when you don't have joint practices because of illness running through one of the teams?).

Yet, the argument is 'its early in the season and everyone looks bad right now'.   You know why?   Because so many teams punted on the offseason workouts, TC and preseason games trying to stay healthy.    

You know who didn't look rusty at all on Sunday?   Kansas City.  Interestingly enough, they didn't punt on the PS.   Tampa looked pretty good too, and they also didn't punt on the preseason.  They didn't convert in the RZ, but other than that, they more than handled their business.  

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

We missed a lot of tackles because they were incredibly difficult tackles. Teams with a high tackling % are rallying to the ball and stopping the run at the line of scrimmage. When we're playing that soft 4-2 front against the OL+TE+ a WR with a short split, what do you expect will happen? A good ass RB like Swift is going to have momentum untouched well into the 2nd and 3rd level. Now every tackle is so difficult for the LBs and DBs especially. 

To play the way Gannon wants to play, we need in their primes Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechley, etc.

12 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

This QB performance seems objectively better than the usual from last year with some throws over the middle, to the left and a nice deep ball - but where are the intermediate passes? No INTs, but Hurt’s clock still seems to run fast and I didn’t see much success throwing hot (which will be game planned by our opponents until he figures it out). His running ability broke the Lions defense - but very little about this game gave me confidence that we could get by TB in a rematch. The D has a lot to prove this week - wow.
 

 

If you compare this with the Mahomes pass chart from Sunday, the depth of the majority of completions are similar, but the volume of O generated from them is quite different.  It's not a dig at Hurts as some of the play calling was unhelpful to him, but highlights how much more efficient Mahomes was in that game while not slinging it long for big yards. 

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

If you compare this with the Mahomes pass chart from Sunday, the depth of the majority of completions are similar, but the volume of O generated from them is quite different.  It's not a dig at Hurts as some of the play calling was unhelpful to him, but highlights how much more efficient Mahomes was in that game while not slinging it long for big yards. 

It also tells you Mahomes can read the defense and understand how the coverage will allow him to get the ball into the hands of his playmakers and let them operate in space.

8 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

If you compare this with the Mahomes pass chart from Sunday, the depth of the majority of completions are similar, but the volume of O generated from them is quite different.  It's not a dig at Hurts as some of the play calling was unhelpful to him, but highlights how much more efficient Mahomes was in that game while not slinging it long for big yards. 

That's not really that accurate.   Hurts had 2 completions longer than 12 yards.   Mahomes had 8.  

2 of 18 is 11%.   8 of 30 is 27%.   That's dramatically more.

Beyond 12 yards...
Hurts was 2 of 2.  (1 of 1 from 12 - 20 yards).
Mahomes was 8 of 11.  (7 of 8 from 12 - 20 yards).

 

And this is what people are talking about with Hurts and his arm strength.   There's basically nothing in the intermediate zone of the field.   It's either deep (1 shot) or its short (12 yards or less).   Those intermediate throws require more arm strength, because you can't send a rainbow, you need to get it there while window is open.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts never made it to his 2nd or 3rd read on each drop back so we really dont know what type of plays were called or the volume it would of generated. 

Two things I noticed in the NFL.

If you blitz a good QB, he's going to eat you up with his arm. Hurts did it. Mind you he got some 1st down with some legs but let's be honest. 30-40-80 yard touchdown throw is better thna a 12 yard Qb run

Next is, usually when the QB gets to his 2nd or 3rd progression those guys are wide open. not going to be  a huge gain most times but good chunks and again, our qb isnt getting hit

That he did not. A casual look at the coaches tape shows some situations where the limited reads by scheme design leave a lot of plays on the field. And the affect it has when you can run a perfect route each snap know you could be stark bollock naked and Hurts wouldn't see you.  Without that changing, I'm not sure paying $200m to Hurts is a wise investment.  He's a good kid, but I keep coming back to the thought of has he reached his ceiling a a Pro QB? 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It also tells you Mahomes can read the defense and understand how the coverage will allow him to get the ball into the hands of his playmakers and let them operate in space.

Hurts did decent with that Sunday... as long as the name on the back said "BROWN".