48 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Not many good matchups today  , imo you have

PS /Auburn 

canes /TX A&M

Maryland /SMU

looking forward to watching , Rising , Will Rogers and Levis , might be my 3 favorite QBs 

 

 

Rising from Utah???

I don't get it. Guy had some really off target throws against Florida on simple crossers, too many times he looks like he's aiming the ball instead of throwing it and his release is funky.

He's got a cool mustache though.

2nd game he only played a bit as it was a blow out, against southern Utah which is equivalent to playing a high school team.

I havent seen anything from him that's led me to think wow 

Jaren Hall from BYU has looked better 

Temple is starting Kurt Warners kid today 

24 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Oregon-BYU for me. Although I hate Bo Nix as Oregons QB.

Jaren Hall has looked sharp so far.

Last week they were missing their two top WRs and still upset Baylor 

Hope both are back against Oregon.

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think a lot of people look at the stats and that sways opinion. Hurts had a good game against Detroit. He made mistakes and he missed plays but I don't think they win that game without him. 

 

What mistakes and missed plays did he make?   He played a very mistake free game.  The one "missed play" I have seen people talk about was on a 3rd and long where he could have thrown it to Brown on a short ceosser that height have been able to pick up the first but Hurts was decisive when he saw an opening with defenders with their backs turned to pick up the first with his legs which he did.  First down and a big gain isn't a missed play. 

Regarding Gannon's defense, I did see one silver lining: there was a Detroit possession, I believe in the third quarter, where they tried three straight passes and all three were broken up. Not missed by Goff or dropped by the receiver, but broken up. I don't ever recall seeing that from the Eagles, even in the days of Troy Vincent and company. There were also a couple of underneath throws tipped by LBs - one of them turning into the pick-6. 

I take this to mean that the gaping holes in our zones are shrinking with the addition of fast LBs. It seems to me in foggy recollection that most of the Lions' completions were outside the hashes. There was a stretch in that game where our pass defense was terrific. It all fell apart in the fourth quarter but there was a lot to like before that.

@schuy7 has commented a number of times about our soft front - the two DTs, two stand-up edge rushers, and two ILBs. I definitely agree with him about that being too soft. That 50+ yard run was against that front. Gannon adjusted that later with the edge guys being in three-point stances but it didn't help much. I much preferred the 4i front and thought it more effective. We ran it with only four down DL and I liked that too.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Regarding Gannon's defense, I did see one silver lining: there was a Detroit possession, I believe in the third quarter, where they tried three straight passes and all three were broken up. Not missed by Goff or dropped by the receiver, but broken up. I don't ever recall seeing that from the Eagles, even in the days of Troy Vincent and company. There were also a couple of underneath throws tipped by LBs - one of them turning into the pick-6. 

I take this to mean that the gaping holes in our zones are shrinking with the addition of fast LBs. It seems to me in foggy recollection that most of the Lions' completions were outside the hashes. There was a stretch in that game where our pass defense was terrific. It all fell apart in the fourth quarter but there was a lot to like before that.

@schuy7 has commented a number of times about our soft front - the two DTs, two stand-up edge rushers, and two ILBs. I definitely agree with him about that being too soft. That 50+ yard run was against that front. Gannon adjusted that later with the edge guys being in three-point stances but it didn't help much. I much preferred the 4i front and thought it more effective. We ran it with only four down DL and I liked that too.

That soft front was atrocious.

I'm not quite sure what Gannon was trying to accomplish with that front??? Other than giving the opposing offense gaping holes to run through, if that was the goal, mission accomplished👍

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Regarding Gannon's defense, I did see one silver lining: there was a Detroit possession, I believe in the third quarter, where they tried three straight passes and all three were broken up. Not missed by Goff or dropped by the receiver, but broken up. I don't ever recall seeing that from the Eagles, even in the days of Troy Vincent and company. There were also a couple of underneath throws tipped by LBs - one of them turning into the pick-6. 

I take this to mean that the gaping holes in our zones are shrinking with the addition of fast LBs. It seems to me in foggy recollection that most of the Lions' completions were outside the hashes. There was a stretch in that game where our pass defense was terrific. It all fell apart in the fourth quarter but there was a lot to like before that.

@schuy7 has commented a number of times about our soft front - the two DTs, two stand-up edge rushers, and two ILBs. I definitely agree with him about that being too soft. That 50+ yard run was against that front. Gannon adjusted that later with the edge guys being in three-point stances but it didn't help much. I much preferred the 4i front and thought it more effective. We ran it with only four down DL and I liked that too.

On rewatch, I thought Sweat had a much better game than when I watched live. He was easily our best pass rusher. Goff’s snap-to-throw time was too quick for it to make a lick of difference. I don’t agree with the Next Gen Stats PR win rate necessarily, but it wasn’t as far off as I would have thought. 

21 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

What if Reagor drops 100 yards and a TD on us? 

We have a new DC on Tuesday?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

On rewatch, I thought Sweat had a much better game than when I watched live. He was easily our best pass rusher. Goff’s snap-to-throw time was too quick for it to make a lick of difference. I don’t agree with the Next Gen Stats PR win rate necessarily, but it wasn’t as far off as I would have thought. 

If sweat is the eagles best pass rusher they're in trouble.

He's a limited pass rusher, he doesn't bend and turn the corner due to his knee 

He has two moves a jumping flying superman punch thing that is totally ineffective and a fake Superman punch thing that is equally ineffective.

He's been doing it for the last 3 years and I've never seen it accomplish anything, not to mention his change of direction is awful as well.

I like his hustle I like his length and when he's not Superman punching his way out of run fits he's pretty good at the point.

He reminds me of kearse after kearse got hurt, kearse still had the length and a good motor and was quick but his leg didn't allow him to bend and turn the corner anymore which was what made him so elite before the Injury.

Sweat can't bend or change direction.

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What mistakes and missed plays did he make?   He played a very mistake free game.  The one "missed play" I have seen people talk about was on a 3rd and long where he could have thrown it to Brown on a short ceosser that height have been able to pick up the first but Hurts was decisive when he saw an opening with defenders with their backs turned to pick up the first with his legs which he did.  First down and a big gain isn't a missed play. 

You don't throw sub-60% without missing plays. He badly underthrew several passes, one of which would have been a TD to brown (I believe) if it had been thrown in stride.

This is where it's ridiculous, "mistake free". There are other mistakes to make aside from turnovers and he did make them

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

On rewatch, I thought Sweat had a much better game than when I watched live. He was easily our best pass rusher. Goff’s snap-to-throw time was too quick for it to make a lick of difference. I don’t agree with the Next Gen Stats PR win rate necessarily, but it wasn’t as far off as I would have thought. 

Yep.  I definitely noticed him out there. 

Just now, devpool said:

You don't throw sub-60% without missing plays. He badly underthrew several passes, one of which would have been a TD to brown (I believe) if it had been thrown in stride.

This is where it's ridiculous, "mistake free". There are other mistakes to make aside from turnovers and he did make them

Yup, under 60% in today's game isn't good.

Not to mention the plays he left on the field as he bailed from the pocket instead of throwing the ball.

Once hurts decides to run there's no chance he's going to keep his eyes down field to make a big throw, he drops his eyes and takes off.

Not a sustainable way to play or win.

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What mistakes and missed plays did he make?   He played a very mistake free game.  The one "missed play" I have seen people talk about was on a 3rd and long where he could have thrown it to Brown on a short ceosser that height have been able to pick up the first but Hurts was decisive when he saw an opening with defenders with their backs turned to pick up the first with his legs which he did.  First down and a big gain isn't a missed play. 

He did not

 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think a lot of people look at the stats and that sways opinion. Hurts had a good game against Detroit. He made mistakes and he missed plays but I don't think they win that game without him. 

Don’t win the game without him? As in.. like... if he wasn’t on the team and we had the exact same players? Or like, if he replaced with a passing QB. Because, the former is kind of obvious. Most teams don’t win without their starting QB. Even against the worst team in the league. 

48 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Like to see Rattler have a nice game against GA , doubt it happens  though , SC don’t have those type of weapons to match up with GA 

Obviously it's still early but I'm calling USC-Georgia in the title game. 

Georgia looks dominant.  USC should have any easy road out west.  Bama, Clemson aren't as good or it seems that way.  Maybe Bama becomes themselves by late October.   Only other team that might emerge to challenge Georgia is Ohio St but I don't see that.

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

On rewatch, I thought Sweat had a much better game than when I watched live. He was easily our best pass rusher. Goff’s snap-to-throw time was too quick for it to make a lick of difference. I don’t agree with the Next Gen Stats PR win rate necessarily, but it wasn’t as far off as I would have thought. 

Yup! He was top 10 this week in win rate, but the soft coverage killed any chance of him getting more sacks.

I'm still baffled that we play such zone coverage with 2 deep safeties. If we wanted to play that way, we shouldn't have paid for expensive CBs. Let them cover!

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

 there needs to be a 'hard ass' coaching a QB.   

These guys don't need to be friends, they need to be work associates.  I

the ones making plays by getting the ball OUT of their hands and to the other play makers.   

Until Hurts gets coaching that pushes him in that direction, and I mean really pushes him in that direction, he will be what he is and the ceiling won't increase.

Most excellent post, pared down to address key elements.

Scrambling in 7 on 7 drills makes NO sense whatsoever...Sorry, we know you can run. Can you execute on time on target first?

Hard ass Coach indeed. Not my pal, My STUDENT! Learn, improve or be gone.

Enough enabling the early bail. Yeah he picked up some First Downs and kept some drives alive but a timely pass could achieve the same result with no wear and tear on the QB.

He's our guy for now and I won't bash him but I will be critical of his performance when warranted.

As an aside, how come he has trouble with the Hot Read on Blitzes? Doesn't the vacated area become vulnerable immediately?

Something that should be elemental to defeating the Blitz. Recognition issues?

 

7 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Most excellent post, pared down to address key elements.

Scrambling in 7 on 7 drills makes NO sense whatsoever...Sorry, we know you can run. Can you execute on time on target first?

Hard ass Coach indeed. Not my pal, My STUDENT! Learn, improve or be gone.

Enough enabling the early bail. Yeah he picked up some First Downs and kept some drives alive but a timely pass could achieve the same result with no wear and tear on the QB.

He's our guy for now and I won't bash him but I will be critical of his performance when warranted.

As an aside, how come he has trouble with the Hot Read on Blitzes? Doesn't the vacated area become vulnerable immediately?

Something that should be elemental to defeating the Blitz. Recognition issues?

 

I'm still baffled a coaching staff would continue to allow a QB to run in 7 on 7.

It's inexplicable and serves zero purpose for anybody.

It doesn't improve hurts ability as a passer is a disservice to the receivers and the whole process if 7-7.

Should have sat him down everytime he took off running in 7 on7 put in another QB who will actually throw the ball, when one doesn't what we see is a QB who come game time not beat a blitz with his arm and resort to trying to beat it with his legs every time.

As said, that's not sustainable nor has ever in the league been a formula for winning.

They deserve more than 1 week to sort through their very unique defense (although that speaks to the utility of actually working these guys in camp and preseason).

But if the struggles continue, they’ll likely revert into a traditional 4-3.  If that happens, Reddick and Milton Williams will have their upside significantly limited.  Reddick is going to be a fish out of water as a 4-3 OLB who won’t be allowed to do what he does best, save for a few blitzes per game.  Williams will just be an undersized, underutilized backup DT.  And we’ll have essentially zero pass rushers worth mentioning.  The majority of the front 7 personnel, outside of those 2, fit a 4-3 but are also pretty unspectacular in it.

43 minutes ago, blindside said:

Don’t win the game without him? As in.. like... if he wasn’t on the team and we had the exact same players? Or like, if he replaced with a passing QB. Because, the former is kind of obvious. Most teams don’t win without their starting QB. Even against the worst team in the league. 

If we had Hurts instead of a lot of QBs in that specific game. We won because of Hurts not in spite of him. 

This beat writer is an odd one, but maybe I’m just too old to be in his target demographic. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If we had Hurts instead of a lot of QBs in that specific game. We won because of Hurts not in spite of him. 

Another QB likely does better against the blitz and throws for all the yards Hurts ran for. We won because of his legs not because of his arm. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This beat writer is an odd one, but maybe I’m just too old to be in his target demographic. 

Hey, doesn't everybody Dap nowadays??

2 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Hey, doesn't everybody Dap nowadays??

Yep. It’s a whole vibe…