I haven't paid much attention to the Mets other than seeing them constantly winning lately and overtaking the Phils for 1st place in the division. Just looked at their stats though and noticed they have the lowest team ERA in the majors at 2.82 and their starting rotation is awesome... Senga 6-3, 1.59 ERA; Peterson 5-2, 2.49 ERA; Megill 5-4 ,3.76 ERA; Holmes 7-3, 2.95 ERA; Canning 6-2, 3.22 ERA. They make the Phils rotation look like hot garb. I of course hate the Mets but it just feels like they're WAY better than the Phils are at this point in the season in both hitting and pitching.

2 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

I haven't paid much attention to the Mets other than seeing them constantly winning lately and overtaking the Phils for 1st place in the division. Just looked at their stats though and noticed they have the lowest team ERA in the majors at 2.82 and their starting rotation is awesome... Senga 6-3, 1.59 ERA; Peterson 5-2, 2.49 ERA; Megill 5-4 ,3.76 ERA; Holmes 7-3, 2.95 ERA; Canning 6-2, 3.22 ERA. They make the Phils rotation look like hot garb. I of course hate the Mets but it just feels like they're WAY better than the Phils are at this point in the season in both hitting and pitching.

Yeah but those dudes are pitching WAY over their heads - regression to the mean is definitely coming

6 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Yeah but those dudes are pitching WAY over their heads - regression to the mean is definitely coming

Good to know. It does seem like they came out of nowhere.

15 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Yeah but those dudes are pitching WAY over their heads - regression to the mean is definitely coming

I wanna say that but last year they didn’t have a great staff and they got them pitching well too after they went to London. They got hot during this stretch cause they got the Rockies 6 times and nationals for 3 sandwiched with the dodgers. I believe they’ve also faced the most or second most games against teams under .500. They have a stretch around the trades deadline of at SF for 3, at SD for 3, vs sf for 3, vs Cleveland for 3 and at brewers for 3 that’s 15 games in a row against teams over .500. The Phillies have a chance to catch them during that time if they don’t fall like 7-8 games back during this stretch where they have their toughest of the season.

Tbh the Phillies and Mets September both aren’t easy. Phillies have 19 of 25 games against teams currently at or above .500 and Mets 16 of 25. Mets is slightly easier so I tend to think they win the division

I hate people like this. It was never about keeping O‘Hoppe. That was never happening with Jt on the roster. The issue is maximizing the value of the asset you had. He was a top 100 prospect. He was a top 75 prospect who played a position of catcher and could hit which is rare in mlb right now. So you had a very valuable asset. So when you made that trade, you should have maximize the value.

If you go look in the last 5 years in MLB trades with top 100 prospects and the value those teams got back for them, they are better than Brandon marsh. The fact that the angels a year and a half after he was their top prospect, they were willing to move him. Should have been a red flag. They also put out there they didn’t think he was going to be a center fielder long term and the Philly still thought he was and he’s not. So essentially you traded one of your best trade assets at that period of time for a platoon/fourth outfielder that you were going to have to fix his problems to get him to be an everyday player. You should’ve been trading that valuable asset for a proven everyday outfielder. Because you wouldn’t have issues at LF and CF if you did

I actually wouldn't mind seeing them try to trade for Andrew McCutchen.

He's having a solid year and would give them a veteran RH bat who still plays decent defense.

Statistically, he's be their top outfielder right now

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I hate people like this. It was never about keeping O‘Hoppe. That was never happening with Jt on the roster. The issue is maximizing the value of the asset you had. He was a top 100 prospect. He was a top 75 prospect who played a position of catcher and could hit which is rare in mlb right now. So you had a very valuable asset. So when you made that trade, you should have maximize the value.

If you go look in the last 5 years in MLB trades with top 100 prospects and the value those teams got back for them, they are better than Brandon marsh. The fact that the angels a year and a half after he was their top prospect, they were willing to move him. Should have been a red flag. They also put out there they didn’t think he was going to be a center fielder long term and the Philly still thought he was and he’s not. So essentially you traded one of your best trade assets at that period of time for a platoon/fourth outfielder that you were going to have to fix his problems to get him to be an everyday player. You should’ve been trading that valuable asset for a proven everyday outfielder. Because you wouldn’t have issues at LF and CF if you did

Agreed with what you are saying, it wasn't about JT vs O'Hoppe back then. Right now would I take O'Hoppe over JT? Yes, just because JT's offensive production has been terrible. But regardless trading O'Hoppe for Marsh was a bad trade. Marsh is just not good and arguably not an MLB player.

8 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

Agreed with what you are saying, it wasn't about JT vs O'Hoppe back then. Right now would I take O'Hoppe over JT? Yes, just because JT's offensive production has been terrible. But regardless trading O'Hoppe for Marsh was a bad trade. Marsh is just not good and arguably not an MLB player.

I wouldn’t say he’s not an MLB player. I would say he’s a fourth outfielder or at best platoon left fielder. the issue is you’re not trading a top 100 prospect for a platoon or fourth outfielder. If everyone would’ve known he’d be become that (i said it was a bad trade then) nobody’s making that trade. It’s why it’s stupid when people are ohoppe isn’t that good. It doesn’t matter what a he is for the rest of his career. If he goes on to be a Hall of Famer it just looks even worse and if he sucks most people will forget it. but the fact that you should’ve maximize value at the time of the trade.

The one thing I give Amaro credit for, is when he traded our top ranked prospects he got legitimate MLB players back. For all his flaws, he got Cliff Lee, Roy halladay, Roy Oswalt and Hunter Pence for top prospects. Most of those prospects never panned out, but even if they did, you were definitively getting something good for giving up something of max asset value.

6 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

I haven't paid much attention to the Mets other than seeing them constantly winning lately and overtaking the Phils for 1st place in the division. Just looked at their stats though and noticed they have the lowest team ERA in the majors at 2.82 and their starting rotation is awesome... Senga 6-3, 1.59 ERA; Peterson 5-2, 2.49 ERA; Megill 5-4 ,3.76 ERA; Holmes 7-3, 2.95 ERA; Canning 6-2, 3.22 ERA. They make the Phils rotation look like hot garb. I of course hate the Mets but it just feels like they're WAY better than the Phils are at this point in the season in both hitting and pitching.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Doesn't look like it hurt her looks either way

Pretty fortunate barger didn’t catch that cause he really got there and just biffed his jump

Walker looks miserable to pitch from the bullpen. He should be smiling ear to ear stealing millions from the Phillies to pitch 1 inning. Needs to embrace it more

Great time to trade Marsh and some other of these losers, but they won't

1 hour ago, RoadToHell said:

Walker looks miserable to pitch from the bullpen. He should be smiling ear to ear stealing millions from the Phillies to pitch 1 inning. Needs to embrace it more

Honestly they should just DFA. He isn’t very good unless he’s a long reliever. And at $18 mil it’s ridiculous it’s come to that.

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly they should just DFA. He isn’t very good unless he’s a long reliever. And at $18 mil it’s ridiculous it’s come to that.

Despite the failure of his salary, I do think it is entirely rational to transition him to a single inning reliever. If our bullpen was better, then I'd DFA him and let him work that out in Lehigh. But with the current state of the bullpen, he's already someone who is going to get innings and appearances.

I think we all love Ranger, but his value is reeeeeeally high right now...

On 6/12/2025 at 6:07 PM, iladelphxx said:

And this is why his hype train started way too fast and way too soon. He still may be the next Chase Utley, but between the Phillies' record to converting top prospects to legit MLB players and the fact he's so new that 9 bad games dragged his entire career average/slg in all games above A ball to .230/.346...he's a long ways off from MLB and there's no telling what trajectory he'll be on by the time he's closer.

I think we really overvalue both Miller and Crawford.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Despite the failure of his salary, I do think it is entirely rational to transition him to a single inning reliever. If our bullpen was better, then I'd DFA him and let him work that out in Lehigh. But with the current state of the bullpen, he's already someone who is going to get innings and appearances.

Frankly I’d try to trade him to a team desperate for a starter to get off the last 1.5 years of the contract. I doubt they’d get any takers but I’d trade him for nothing. Tbh i rather give lazar and Mercado a chance as young guys to develop over using Walker. Some of walker’s BP appearance have come in blowouts and when it’s been high leverage spots/close he’s really not done well against better teams but flourished against pirates. Since he went to the bullpen after his May 1 start (had 2 starts due to DH and injuries):

Tampa bay came in Phillies up 7-0

STL came in STL up 10-7 (needed him to be long reliever since Nola was a disaster; gave up 2 ER in 3 IP)

Colorado (started)

Brewers (started)

Blue jays came in 8-0

Pirates came in 2-1 (high leverage; no runs)

Cubs came in Phillies up 4-3 (high leverage; gave up 2 ER in an inning)

Blue jays came in phillies up 8-0

If you are going to mainly use him in blowouts or long relief I’d much rather see what lazar and Mercado can become. Like you said cause their bullpen stinks will keep him but i much prefer to let lazar and Mercado get the work so they can improve. I don’t think walker’s stuff is remotely good enough to be a consistent high leverage BP. He really should be what clay condrey was for the 08 Phillies. That said the only reason Walker hasn’t been DFA is because they are paying him $18 mil this and next year. and Dombrowski constructed a bad bullpen

What’s comical about the NL west is they get to play the Rockies 13 times. with how bad the Rockies are you could beat them all 13 times then go 74-75 the rest of the year and be 12 games over .500.

Ah yes base running blunders what else is new