7 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

2022 World Series odds: Championship futures for every team next season | FOX Sports

Phillies are 30:1 to win the 2022 World Series.

$10 bet wins you $310

$100 bet wins you $3,100

$1,000 bet wins you $31,000

$10,000 bet wins you $310,000 !!! I know you guys have $10k to Burn.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

 

I wouldn't bet a ham sandwich on these losers  

3 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

I wouldn't bet a ham sandwich on these losers  

But on the off chance that they won, you'd have 31 ham sandwiches... okay, you're right, I'd keep the ham sandwich.

Wheeler finished 2nd in the Cy Young to a guy who only pitched 167 innings.... 

3 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Wheeler finished 2nd in the Cy Young to a guy who only pitched 167 innings.... 

So stupid. Disappointing loss on my +3500 $10 bet

3 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said:

So stupid. Disappointing loss on my +3500 $10 bet

 

Still have this one though:

7 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Still have this one though:

Yeah I have $10 on that one too. He better win

Phillies won something!

Should have dropped more, but oh well 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wheeler was definitely not deserving of the Cy Young.  

How? 

Highest Pitching WAR in baseball. 

Most IP, K's CG, Shutouts and batters faced 

He lost to a guy who played for a better team, who had a much better bullpen and who rarely pitched past the 6th inning. 

Pitched 46. 1 more innings and faced 192 more batters. 

7.6 vs 5.6 WAR 

From an article I read:

 

Wheeler's ERA in the first six innings of his starts was 2.42.

Burnes' ERA in the first six innings of his starts was 2.48.

Why does this matter? Because Wheeler pitched into the seventh inning 20 times. Burnes pitched into the seventh inning nine times. If Burnes was pushed beyond six innings more frequently, would his numbers have been the same? His opponents hit .314 with an .811 OPS the third time through the lineup compared to .165 with a .432 OPS the first two times. Telling.

 

30 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t be such a homer.  If you weren’t a Phillies fan, there’s no way you’d be arguing for a guy with a record of 14-10 should win the Cy Young.  Give me a break.  He lost to a guy with a better record, better ERA and better strikeouts per 9 innings.  There really wasn’t a clear CY Young season this past season, in the NL.  But complaining that he should have won it, is like the NYGiants fans bishing that the Eagles F them out of a playoff spot last year.  I know someone had to win it.  I don’t think he was that deserving.  Just because the other guy played on a better team has no bearing.  Wheeler was the second tallest midget.  

Literally just cited a crap load of old stats and new stats but I'm a homer.... 

Literally every major sports site had Wheeler winning it. 

He literally made 139 more outs than Burnes..... 

 

 

 

I think where Wheeler lost the cy young (besides the idiot that voted him for fifth place in the Cy Young voting), was the fact his August wasn’t very good. He had a 4.81 ERA and he gave a four or more earned runs in 5 of 6 starts. I’m sure Max Scherzer and burns had down stretches at some point in time but that was in the midst of the race and the Phillies had taken over first and then collapsed. I am guessing some held that against him.

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You literally used literally three times.  Literally triggered.  I doubt very seriously that every "major site” had him winning it.  And if he did win it, a ton of them would be questioning him winning it.  Literally.  

Pretty sure most had him winning it. 
 

is this your attempt to get him to win it next year like you were able to do with Bryce?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No.  It’s my way of telling Phillie fan homers to stop acting like NYG fans.  Not an attempt.  I just do it.  

Not seeing the correlation. 
 

Anyway, even so wheeler only lost by a pretty narrow margin. Do you think he should have placed lower?

I'm the Homer.......  Coming from the dude who is the equivalent of a WIP caller on this site..... That's rich 

Burnes was 11-5. 
A Cy Young winner with 11 wins?  C’mon

25 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You literally used literally three times.  Literally triggered.  I doubt very seriously that every "major site” had him winning it.  And if he did win it, a ton of them would be questioning him winning it.  Literally.  

I was making a point..... I should have used crayons so you would understand it 

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Burnes was 11-5. 
A Cy Young winner with 11 wins?  C’mon

I thought it was going to go to Max Scherzer because of what he did when he got to the Dodgers. In 11 starts with the Dodgers he was 7-0 with a 1.98 ERA and had 89 strikeouts to 8 walks. He also gave up less hits and only two more walks than burnes in 12 more innings pitched. Roughly the same amount of ERs 49 to 46. Pretty amazing scherzer had 236 strikeouts and wheeler had 247 strikeouts but he did it in 34 less innings.

I feel like if he played for the Dodgers the entire year instead of just 11 starts, his numbers probably would’ve been even better because the nationals defense sucked. They were bottom 6 in the league. It definitely cost him in some of those games

that said the guy who voted wheeler 5th is a jackass that should lose his vote. He was top 3 candidate. There was not 4 pitchers better in the NL than him. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was a down year for candidates, for sure.  And someone had to win.  All I am saying is that you’d have to a moron and/or a homer to cry because he didn’t win the cy young.  

Who's crying?

It's a debate about the top 2-3 vote getters for Cy Young in a baseball subforum of a sports message board. Discussing pitching and what is valuable, what has changed in the voting over the years, the way the game is changed, etc.

What should we all do just post the result and not discuss it?

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I posted my opinion and the other gal got all defensive.  Any normal year he would not have even been in the discussion.  It’s just a down year and someone had to win.  I’m shocked it was that close.  Only a homer would argue he should have won it.  

How did I get defensive? 

You made a stupid comment and I refuted it with data. 

He got just as many first place votes as the other guy.... I'm definitely not the wrong one here. 

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Literally.  I said he didn’t deserve the Cy Young.  That’s literally a stupid comment to you. Literally the best part of you dried up on the backseat of a Pinto.  Literally you refuted it with opinion supported with data that fit your argument.  Literally I can pull data out to refute my stance as well.  Which is what the MLB obviously and literally did.  
 

clown

Waiting...... 

Was one of the Astros top RP prospects who is recovering from elbow surgery. 

Lefty sinkerballer