March 28, 20215 yr 46 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: I think people forget how good Ryan Howard was when he was given that contract. Its easy to now say oh he shouldn’t have gotten it and of course there was the injury, but I don’t remember a lot of people complaining about us locking down a perennial MVP candidate for years when it happened. Oh I agree, from 2006-09, he was a monster. Absolute excitement every time he came up to bat. The problem with giving him the extension was the timing and the years. His fatal flaw- the low and away breaking ball- was exposed in the 09 World Series. Amaro should have recognized and waited to see how he responded in 2010. Just like the NFL, MLB is a copycat league so you knew that teams were going to start doing the same thing the Yankees did to him and sure enough, they did. Did Howard ever adjust? Nope. That's on him. Plus, big bodied guys like him usually break down a lot earlier as well and with that extension, they committed an additional 7 years to him (the 2 years he was still under team control and the 5 year extension).
March 28, 20215 yr 19 minutes ago, iladelphxx said: Kingery optioned to AAA When you're one of those guys who can play a whole bunch of positions but none of them particularly well, you'd better be able to hit.
March 28, 20215 yr 21 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said: When you're one of those guys who can play a whole bunch of positions but none of them particularly well, you'd better be able to hit. It’s amazing how much he has regressed. The jump the gun giving him that extension after the year he had in spring training a couple years ago. I saw him a ton when he was at Arizona. He could hit the ball to all parts of the field and he had solid power. The Phillies screwed with his swing cause of launch angle and he’s never gotten his swing back. I also think he just lacks confidence. Add on Hes just doesn’t have the arm to play outfield. It’s why Arizona moved him tot he infield in college. Even in the infield for the Phillies he can only play second cause he doesn’t have the range for SS and third base he isn’t good enough and they got bohm now.
March 28, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Kingery is officially a bust. It’s sad really. You hope he can go down and eventually become a serviceable major leaguer but I don’t have my hopes up.
March 30, 20215 yr On 3/28/2021 at 6:57 PM, BirdsFanBill said: It’s sad really. You hope he can go down and eventually become a serviceable major leaguer but I don’t have my hopes up. All for a cool $24m. Clearly Klentak projected his pre/arbitration years to cost a lot more than $24m in salary. Now $4m per year is peanuts in the overall grand scheme of things, but Klentak lost that one. Having said that, I don't like to write guys off too early, but is there anything to be optimistic about with Kingery? I only see a handful of Phillies games each year.
March 30, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said: All for a cool $24m. Clearly Klentak projected his pre/arbitration years to cost a lot more than $24m in salary. Now $4m per year is peanuts in the overall grand scheme of things, but Klentak lost that one. Having said that, I don't like to write guys off too early, but is there anything to be optimistic about with Kingery? I only see a handful of Phillies games each year. If we are being honest? Not really. He hasn’t looked good outside of like a short hot streak for a week then reverts back.
March 30, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: I am going to miss that "hey how did I miss that ball"- look on his way back to the dugout when he strikes out....... Not really. Bye bye. Another young prospect flames out in Philly. Add him to the list. Honestly their drafting going back to when Ed wade was fired has just been bad in terms of mlb players that were impactful players especially for the Phillies. Like hoskins is so-so this year i feel like you could add him to the list of highly thought of when they got called up that didn’t make it.
March 30, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: It's not just drafting. They had one of the better prospect pools in the majors about 5 years ago. Then it all went haywire. They have sucked at developing players. It can't all be blamed on drafting. I’d include development in their drafting as well. I think it’s the total package when i talk about drafting. You have to select the right player and develop. Nola might legitimately be the only player since 2011 they have drafted and developed and had overwhelming success if hoskins flops. They are basically the eagles in terms of drafting and developing.
March 30, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I’d include development in their drafting as well. I think it’s the total package when i talk about drafting. You have to select the right player and develop. Nola might legitimately be the only player since 2011 they have drafted and developed and had overwhelming success if hoskins flops. They are basically the eagles in terms of drafting and developing. I think Bohm is gonna be a star. Reminds me of a righthanded hitting Utley. But your general point still stands, of course.
March 30, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said: I think Bohm is gonna be a star. Reminds me of a righthanded hitting Utley. But your general point still stands, of course. Bohm if he does you’d definitely right to include him. I view him as a up in the air but have high hopes for him. I felt Dominic brown was going to be at least good and he failed ultimately. So hard to say for certain he does. I hope brohm, howard and stott actually develop
March 31, 20215 yr Bohm is a stud. Just looks like a hitter up there from day one. I'm excited to watch him this year. Kingery was the equivalent of watching Kevin Kolb start games. It was like "Are we sure this guy is supposed to be good?"
March 31, 20215 yr Marcus Hayes wrote an article about how the Phillies - specifically Kapler and Klentak - ruined Kingery. https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/philadelphia-phillies-scott-kingery-20210330.html
March 31, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, mikemack8 said: Marcus Hayes wrote an article about how the Phillies - specifically Kapler and Klentak - ruined Kingery. https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/philadelphia-phillies-scott-kingery-20210330.html They ruined much more than that
March 31, 20215 yr 20 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I’d include development in their drafting as well. I think it’s the total package when i talk about drafting. You have to select the right player and develop. Nola might legitimately be the only player since 2011 they have drafted and developed and had overwhelming success if hoskins flops. They are basically the eagles in terms of drafting and developing. I don't think Hoskins is a flop.... He started his career on a historic, unsustainable pace. He is basically Pat Burrell. Good OBP, with some pop who is limited defensively. He's a 2-2.5 WAR player, which is basically what you would expect out of solid regular.
March 31, 20215 yr 29 minutes ago, iladelphxx said: I don't think Hoskins is a flop.... He started his career on a historic, unsustainable pace. He is basically Pat Burrell. Good OBP, with some pop who is limited defensively. He's a 2-2.5 WAR player, which is basically what you would expect out of solid regular. His war is that high cause of his first two season then he dramatically tailed off in 2019 and 2020 he was up and down. Plus he’s coming off TJ surgery so he might never return to the player he even was in 2018. If you asked the Phillies if he was going to be 2018 for 10 years they’d take it. Not sure he ever becomes that again. So if he plays more like June to September 2019 (.4 War) and not 2018 it’s hard to say he’s not a flop. His war in 2020 from what I’ve seen was .9 or 1
April 1, 20215 yr Hoskins is fine. But that's all he is. People got crazy when he had a hot streak and thought he was the next Babe Ruth. Now that he's settling into being an average to above average player, people are all mad. The guy is a decent piece on a winning team. He isn't ruined or a bust he just is what he is.
April 1, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said: Hoskins is fine. But that's all he is. People got crazy when he had a hot streak and thought he was the next Babe Ruth. Now that he's settling into being an average to above average player, people are all mad. The guy is a decent piece on a winning team. He isn't ruined or a bust he just is what he is. The modern day Pat Burrell as someone called him
April 1, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said: Hoskins is fine. But that's all he is. People got crazy when he had a hot streak and thought he was the next Babe Ruth. Now that he's settling into being an average to above average player, people are all mad. The guy is a decent piece on a winning team. He isn't ruined or a bust he just is what he is. Just pointing ot from June 2019-the end of the 2019 season his WAR was 0.4. And last year it was 1. That’s not average. He was prior to that around 2-3 WAR. He is what he is then if he’s 1.4 war for another 1.5 seasons that’s not good.
April 1, 20215 yr Crazy thinking he’s a 2 hitter. Hopefully didi gets put in that spot if Hoskins struggles early
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