3 minutes ago, RLC said:

This may be a controversial take, but my raw reactions from last night.

- I would let every single FA walk except CJGJ. He's one of the few defensive players that showed up.
- I would continue to use all my premium draft assets on offense 

The best way for Sirianni/Hurts to succeed is continuing him to win as a passer. If we can sustain a top 5 offense, we're a contender every year. Get cheap, young defensive players who will make mistakes but allow the offense to stay in tact.

Yup I agree, let em all walk on D except CJG, he's unique in what he can do as he can play deep or in the slot blitz off the edge and he plays with a ton of passion and intensity.

As for the draft I'm of the opinion and have been for some time that the league is so offense centric and the rules so favor offense that one has a better chance drafting to that advantage than trying to draft against the advantage the league has created 

The league doesn't want defense they want 38-35 score Superbowls, so why fight it?

Get an unstoppable offense outscore everyone and hope the d can make a play or two like eagles did in 2017 Superbowl.

Chiefs had 6.1 yards per carry

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

The fumble really hurt, we could have been up 17 or 13 rather than 10 going into the half. Then you have the defense not making any plays at all in the second half, and special teams allowing the long punt return. 

I'm upset about the call on an uncatchable pass but the two things that really irk me are the fumble and the punt return.

It's hard to say. We were going to punt if we didn't fumble there so that's assuming that we get a stop on defense. If they have a TD drive instead of the fumble recovery it's possible we're only up by 7 or less at the half.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

We lost by three points.  Hurts gave away 7.  Special teams gave away 7.

 

This is what SB 52 would have looked like without BG's strip sack. Two teams scoring back and forth, with the game decided in the last five minutes.

Ok?  And? 

Is that our plan moving forward then?  A miracle happened in 2017 so every piss poor defensive scheme is totally fine.

Gannon was absolutely horrible last night.  Like "shouldnt have a job" bad.  

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We lost by three points.  Hurts gave away 7.  Special teams gave away 7.

 

This is what SB 52 would have looked like without BG's strip sack. Two teams scoring back and forth, with the game decided in the last five minutes.

But we did get the strip sack. Because Schwartz went aggressive in that final drive and adjusted. Gannon didn’t.

Lou Anarumo found a way to make things difficult for Mahomes and that was a road game. Gannon, with a defense that had twice the talent of the Bengals couldn’t come close to doing what Anarumo did. That says a lot about Gannon.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I would strongly argue for Skoronksi at 10. He can be RG in year 1, RT whenever Lane retires.
I would then argue for best "weapon" at 31. That could be Bijan, Hyatt, Addison, etc. Pascal/Quez are #4s at best. They're fine as reserves, but we have one dud at WR3.

CB this year makes sense if Bradberry walks given the importance of the position. We need to get younger there. 

Howie/Lurie at least understand the importance of drafting offense.

Stud OL is hard to argue against

but then i think you have to look pass rusher at 30 and there will be some dudes around there

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. I was thinking about that false start all night. 

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

now were on to the draft the team needs to do better with picks , we go no production from the last draft except the trade for AJ. we gotta get players that will contribute right away. i would quess davis and dean are starters and maybe cam if kelce retires or issac leaves as a FA

Gannon watched our DL slip and fall and get buried all night and just thought "this is cool, eventually we'll get a strip sack because Brandon Graham did that 5 years ago"

 

If Hurts didn’t fumble, yeah we could have been up 14. We could’ve also got held to a field goal, gone up 10, give up a TD to the Chiefs on their next drive, and only led by 3 at halftime for all we know. It’s impossible to say what would’ve happened after. People are applying what did happen after the fumble to what could’ve happened before it, and it just doesn’t work that way. The variables and circumstances of the game change.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

Gainwell slipped, like so many players did.

We really need a physical RB on day 2 of the draft.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

Hows your boy Miles Sanders??

Gainwell slipped.  At least he didnt immediately run to the LOS like a scared puppy and fumble.  

Gainwell is so much better than Sanders its a joke

Just now, Sack that QB said:

If Hurts didn’t fumble, yeah we could have been up 14. We could’ve also got held to a field goal, gone up 10, give up a TD to the Chiefs on their next drive, and only led by 3 at halftime for all we know. It’s impossible to say what would’ve happened after. People are applying that did happened after the fumble to what could’ve happened before it, and it just doesn’t work that way. The variables and circumstances of the game change.

Again, no. If he didn’t fumble, we would have punted to an offense that also proved unstoppable.

40 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Hazleton posted here this morning

I got a timeout that was apparently supposed to be lifted in time for the game but I was never able to get in till this morning. 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Hows your boy Miles Sanders??

Gainwell slipped.  At least he didnt immediately run to the LOS like a scared puppy and fumble.  

Gainwell is so much better than Sanders its a joke

No.

5 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

now were on to the draft the team needs to do better with picks , we go no production from the last draft except the trade for AJ. we gotta get players that will contribute right away. i would quess davis and dean are starters and maybe cam if kelce retires or issac leaves as a FA

We don't have the ability to make "luxury" picks this time around. Outside of AJ, our first 3 picks were unfinished products (Davis) or not first year starters (Jurgens, Dean). I know people are worried about a Lane replacement for down the road but the defense needs help big time and we don't have many picks.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean bengals twice this season managed to keep the chiefs offense at 24 or less points. Heck the horrific Seahawks defense kept the chiefs at 24 points. It’s not a coincidence Dak, Goff/lions and mahomes (all away from Philly) put up 35, 40 and 31 (if butker kicked better shouldve been 34). Literally the 3 best offenses we faced away from Philly averaged 35ppg with arguably the best defensive personnel we are likely to give Gannon in his time here  

Yes he players also at fault cause they didn’t play well but Gannon in two games against mahomes has given up 9 tds in 10 red zone trips and mahomes is completing 79% of his passes. 2021 can make the excuse the personnel wasn’t good enough and I’d understand. However the personnel he was given was good enough where they shouldn’t be getting gashed on the ground for 150 yards, allowing mahomes to complete 79% of his passes and 4-5 in the red zone and the one red zone stop is cause the milked the clock to kick a fg.  

Last time I checked, if you take away the fumble TD and the gift TD after the punt return, you end up with 24 points.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

This may be a controversial take, but my raw reactions from last night.

- I would let every single FA walk except CJGJ. He's one of the few defensive players that showed up.
- I would continue to use all my premium draft assets on offense 

The best way for Sirianni/Hurts to succeed is continuing him to win as a passer. If we can sustain a top 5 offense, we're a contender every year. Get cheap, young defensive players who will make mistakes but allow the offense to stay in tact.

I'd disagree with using all premium draft assets on offense. Defense needs to get younger

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

No.

Lol imagine thinking this today.  How drunk have you been the last few months?

 

Gainwell is clearly better and everyone on the planet could see it plainly last night

1 minute ago, bitbased said:

We don't have the ability to make "luxury" picks this time around. Outside of AJ, our first 3 round picks were unfinished products (Davis) or not first year starters (Jurgens, Dean). I know people are worried about a Lane replacement for down the road but the defense needs help big time and we don't have many picks.

IMO i would draft D heavy with a RB  in the 3rd or 4th round . unless the top OT drops to10

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol imagine thinking this today.  How drunk have you been the last few months?

 

Gainwell is clearly better and everyone on the planet could see it plainly last night

Sanders had to go to the locker room after the first play of the game.  He clearly wasn't 100% afterwards.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Lol imagine thinking this today.  How drunk have you been the last few months?

 

Gainwell is clearly better and everyone on the planet could see it plainly last night

Gainwell is not a lead back, he cannot shoulder the load for an entire season. End of story.

Gainwell is a good change of pace back. I am completely fine with letting Sanders walk, but I do not want Gainwell to be the starter.

36 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My other concern for next year…

Think of every nfl team as a product assembly line that, at the end of the line, all the products just fall off a cliff.

I always argue that the biggest delta for a team in a new year usually comes from the 2nd year draft class.  If Kelce doesn’t retire and we re-sign enough old DTs to keep Davis on the bench…that means we get zero boost next year from our high 2022 picks.  The rest of the roster gets one year older, slower, and closer to the end of the line, but there isn’t any boost from the young draft picks to make us better.

I hear ya on that. This is why I never loved the Jurgens pick. You draft a guy you 100% know isn't playing year 1. May not play in year 2. By the time he plays, he's only got 2 more years on a rookie deal.

 

Eagles had no contribution from their rookies this year and in the Super Bowl. KC had a HUGE contribution from their rookies. 

28 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Last time I checked, if you take away the fumble TD and the gift TD after the punt return, you end up with 24 points.

Lol so the defense doesn’t have a job inside the red zone to make a stop? we just excuse the fact that in the last two games, Patrick Mahomes has 90% touchdowns in the red zone (10 trips and it easily should be 100 if McKinnon doesn’t slide down). 94 the fact that Patrick Mahomes completed 79% of his passes vs. eagles defense. 

special teams giving up that return might’ve actually been a blessing in the disguise for the defense. Because of Patrick Mahomes gets a ball with about 10 minutes left likely goes 67 yards to go they might eat up nearly all of the clock. Eagles weren’t stopping anyone in the second half. And at that point Reid might have thought about going for two instead of kicking the extra point to make it 9 with limited time remaining. 

ST doesn’t excuse 4-5 in the red zone which if the chiefs didn’t kill clock it’s 5-5. It doesn’t excuse the 79% completion percentage. Nor the chiefs only punting 2 times in mahomes last 15 possessions against them. If you think the Eagles defense played as well as the Bengals two weeks ago, you are full of crap no offense. 

just so you know the Bengals defense two weeks prior had a turnover by Joe Burrow that gave the Chiefs the ball inside bengals territory at their 39. The bengals managed to force the chiefs to punt the ball. I’m not saying the Eagles were going to force the Chiefs to have zero points after that special teams blunder. However, you’re telling me they couldn’t hold them to a FG? The defense got put in a tough position however their red zone defense was a no show and lost basically the entire night and last two times against the chiefs 

also, we’re just gonna take away a td cause of special teams allowing a long return and the defense doing nothing in the red zone, if Harrison butker could kick field goals better it should’ve been 27 points and not 24. But conveniently you’ll leave out the missed field goal that would’ve been an extra three points on top of your 24 which is laughable to begin with cause it wasn’t ST in the red zone that was atrocious all night 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Sanders had to go to the locker room after the first play of the game.  He clearly wasn't 100% afterwards.

Hes not as good as Gainwell at 100% and that is an indisputable fact at this point.

That first play was an embarrassment to running backs everywhere.

I've never seen a RB miss so many wide ase open holes and completely ignore blockers to either run to the sidelines or tackle himself.