I don't think Howie would do this, but if he is willing to be conservative on defense...

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We only 2 starters on defense, if we resign Chancey. We have Jobe who could play CB, but would need to draft EDGE #3. We're always going to go to discount bin for LB #2.

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Gainwell is not a lead back, he cannot shoulder the load for an entire season. End of story.

Gainwell is a good change of pace back. I am completely fine with letting Sanders walk, but I do not want Gainwell to be the starter.

Neither is Sanders.  Gainwell would have way outproduced him with the same amount of touches, and youll see that next year 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

Yet with the mistakes the O made they still scored the most points in a super bowl loss.

But yeah those mistakes add up and eagles made too many on both sides of the ball to beat a chiefs team playing in their 3rd super bowl in the last few years.

 

21 minutes ago, devpool said:

The fumble really hurt, we could have been up 17 or 13 rather than 10 going into the half. Then you have the defense not making any plays at all in the second half, and special teams allowing the long punt return. 

I'm upset about the call on an uncatchable pass but the two things that really irk me are the fumble and the punt return.

Although the defense was the biggest issue especially in the 2nd half, those 2 plays were the biggest killers.

As soon as he broke that punt return I thought that was it....game over. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I don't think Howie would do this, but if he is willing to be conservative on defense...

Reddick-Davis-Williams-Sweat
Dean-???
Slay-Maddox-???
CGCJ-Blakenship

We only 2 starters on defense, if we resign Chancey. We have Jobe who could play CB, but would need to draft EDGE #3. We're always going to go to discount bin for LB #2.

With the way the board is shaking out currently I'm expecting/hoping CB at 10 and DL at 30.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

Gainwell obviously slipped on that terrible field. Can't blame him for that.

Just now, bitbased said:

With the way the board is shaking out currently is I'm expecting/hoping CB at 10 and DL at 30.

I think Howie trades out of #30.  Teams will want to trade up into the first round for the fifth-year option.  Should be able to get a return similar to the Goedert trade.

Chiefs had 4 drives in the 2nd half, they scored 3 TDs and a FG (which could have been a TD if they weren't playing the clock). Eagles defense just needed to come up with one stop, just needed anybody to make a play but it didn't happen.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Neither is Sanders.  Gainwell would have way outproduced him with the same amount of touches, and youll see that next year 

Do you think Gainwell should be the lead back next year?

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think Howie trades out of #30.  Teams will want to trade up into the first round for the fifth-year option.  Should be able to get a return similar to the Goedert trade.

Yup.  I think you make the pick for a premium prospect at #10 (BPA) and use the #30 pick to slide back to the 40-45 range and recoup a couple of mid-round picks.

25 minutes ago, devpool said:

The fumble really hurt, we could have been up 17 or 13 rather than 10 going into the half. Then you have the defense not making any plays at all in the second half, and special teams allowing the long punt return. 

I'm upset about the call on an uncatchable pass but the two things that really irk me are the fumble and the punt return.

Was talking about the game with the maintenance guys in my building earlier.  Consensus is that we win if Hurts hadn't fumbled.  We had them on the ropes in the first half.  Would have had a large enough lead at halftime to withstand the KC comeback.

I have no problems with the talent on the team. Gannon got fooled by the same exact play twice for 2 TDs.

Open TDs in the red zone is the sign of an inferior DC.

He's bad at his job but the talent compensated for that when it could.

 

 

I’m more numb to that loss than anything. At halftime I didn’t think there was any chance the Eagles were going to lose that game. Up 10, team was rolling, Mahomes was limping off. I was preparing to celebrate in the streets all night.

Then after the game I was honestly laying in bed wondering if it was a dream, it’s hard to explain.

It wasn’t like watching a game where you’re clearly outclassed and know the other team is just better. At halftime it felt like a win.

34 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Dan Orlovsky pointed this very concept out this morning. Unfathomable Gannon didn’t adjust.

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Chiefs had 4 drives in the 2nd half, they scored 3 TDs and a FG (which could have been a TD if they weren't playing the clock). Eagles defense just needed to come up with one stop, just needed anybody to make a play but it didn't happen.

ST didn’t help the eagles on one drive but the eagles weren’t stopping the chiefs anyway and our red zone defense was atrocious. The chiefs were 4-5 and it should’ve been 5-5 if they didn’t purposefully slide at the 1 to kill clock to kick a field goal. So in 2 games against chiefs and mahomes the chiefs were 9-10 inside the red zone and it should’ve been 10-10. I don’t care if it’s Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid you know how Fing hard it is to give up 9 (really should be 10) out of 10 in the red zone in 2 games. That is nearly Fing unheard of. Add on mahomes is 45-57 in two games against the eagles. That’s 79% completion. If you think you’re gonna beat the Kansas City Chiefs allowing Patrick Mahomes to complete almost 80% of his passes and basically 100% in the red zone then we are delusional. We are fortunate the offense won TOP 36-24 cause if they didn’t that defense might have given up 40 by themselves. 

I'm not sure if it was the first or second defensive play of the game but as soon as I saw Reddick drop back in coverage, I had a feeling we would be in for a long night.

Like why the F is Reddick dropping back in coverage?  Not only that, but he basically just was hanging out, not covering anyone.  Like, how the heck does that benefit the defense??

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Was talking about the game with the maintenance guys in my building earlier.  Consensus is that we win if Hurts hadn't fumbled.  We had them on the ropes in the first half.  Would have had a large enough lead at halftime to withstand the KC comeback.

I mostly put more blame on the defense overall, but that fumble really swung things pretty hard in the wrong direction for the Birds. Offense was in complete control up until that point, and while there was no guarantee they would have scored a TD, they would have at least had a FG there.

57 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Jurgens is in the mold of Kelce.  He’s very athletic and quick, but a bit small.  Jurgens at RG makes the OL far less stout.  I think their trademark play wouldn’t work so well, nor would running to the right side.

Is he to small though????  
 

Isaac Seumalo 6 foot 4 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Cam Jurgens 6 foot 3 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Isaac spider chart

Measurable	Measurement	%tile
Height	6' 4"	45
Weight	303 lbs	16
Arm Length	33"	34
Hand Size	9⅞"	47
10 Yard Split	1.81s	43
40 Yard Dash	5.19s	74
Vertical Jump	26"	33
Broad Jump	105"	72
3-Cone Drill	7.4s	94
20 Yard Shuttle	4.52s	89

 

Jurgens Spider Chart

Height	6' 2⅞"	8
Weight	303 lbs	20
Wingspan	80⅛"	41
Arm Length	33⅜"	41
Hand Size	10"	50
10 Yard Split	1.71s	90
40 Yard Dash	4.92s	97
Bench Press	25 reps	51

1 minute ago, shlo said:

Gainwell obviously slipped on that terrible field. Can't blame him for that.

Yup I think the horribleness if that field is greatly understated by the media and the NFL trying to save face 

Both teams had played there earlier In the year but the field seemed worse covering the whole damn field in paint wasn't helpful.

The condition of the field imo negatively impacted the eagles more than the chiefs, the strength of the eagles D is their pass rush and the condition of the field neutralized that advantage from the very first defensive pass snap.

Watch sweat fire off the snap beats his guy and as he tries to plant his foot drop his center and bend around the corner he slips and falls down, at worse on a good surface that ends in at least a QB hit, at best  sack as is ended with mahommes as most the game standing in a clean pocket for 4 seconds with zero pressure.

Sure the chiefs were playing in the same conditions and their DEs didn't do anything either but the chiefs whole identity as a defense isn't built around getting 70 sacks from rushing 4 to be successful.

One doesn't go from 70 sacks to all the sudden none in the biggest game because somehow every one just had a bad game, the bad field contributed greatly the the d line having a bad game.

I still can't get over the perfect storm sequence that led to the Hurts fumble:

2nd and 1: Gainwell slips short on the crappy field

3rd and 1: Seumalo false start

3rd and 6: Fumble for KC TD

Just unreal.

7 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Do you think Gainwell should be the lead back next year?

He should have had that role this year, he and Sanders should have had reversed roles.    Hes not some workhorse but there are only 3-4 of those guys in the NFL 

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

Is he to small though????  
 

Isaac Seumalo 6 foot 4 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Cam Jurgens 6 foot 3 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Agreed.  A false assumption that Cam is too small.  If Kelce stays, put Jurgens in at RG.  He'll have a full offseason workout to bulk up even more.

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I mostly put more blame on the defense overall, but that fumble really swung things pretty hard in the wrong direction for the Birds. Offense was in complete control up until that point, and while there was no guarantee they would have scored a TD, they would have at least had a FG there.

No, they were going to punt. The fumble happened on 3rd and 6 and Hurts was dead to rights on that play. It's doubtful he makes it back to the LOS if he doesn't fumble it.

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That false start was set up by a very weak RAC effort by Gainwell who's calling card the whole second half of the season had been his physical running style. 

Snowball effect ultimately ending in the fumble scoop score.

He slipped on that run.  I blame the poor field conditions for that.  He tried to cut to pick up more yards, but when the right foot slips out from under you as you try to cut to the left... physics dictates that you've got no shot at COD.

27 minutes ago, RLC said:

Gainwell slipped, like so many players did.

We really need a physical RB on day 2 of the draft.

I drool over the thought of someone like Chubb on this offense.