3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup I think the horribleness if that field is greatly understated by the media and the NFL trying to save face 

Both teams had played there earlier In the year but the field seemed worse covering the whole damn field in paint wasn't helpful.

The condition of the field imo negatively impacted the eagles more than the chiefs, the strength of the eagles D is their pass rush and the condition of the field neutralized that advantage from the very first defensive pass snap.

Watch sweat fire off the snap beats his guy and as he tries to plant his foot drop his center and bend around the corner he slips and falls down, at worse on a good surface that ends in at least a QB hit, at best  sack as is ended with mahommes as most the game standing in a clean pocket for 4 seconds with zero pressure.

Sure the chiefs were playing in the same conditions and their DEs didn't do anything either but the chiefs whole identity as a defense isn't built around getting 70 sacks from rushing 4 to be successful.

One doesn't go from 70 sacks to all the sudden none in the biggest game because somehow every one just had a bad game, the bad field contributed greatly the the d line having a bad game.

It wasn't same surface used during the regular season.  Kind of stupid to debut a new field without any kind of testing.

 

 

1 minute ago, bitbased said:

No, they were going to punt. The fumble happened on 3rd and 6 and Hurts was dead to rights on that play. It's doubtful he makes it back to the LOS if he doesn't fumble it.

And KC would have scored a TD on that possession since our defense was useless all night.  I honestly think the impact of the fumble 6 was overstated.  We overcame it.

27 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Gannon watched our DL slip and fall and get buried all night and just thought "this is cool, eventually we'll get a strip sack because Brandon Graham did that 5 years ago"

 

Blitzing Mahomes statistically is an awful idea, but that’s interesting anecdotal evidence to support blitzing. 

But as quick as Mahomes was getting rid of the ball, I’m not sure it would have mattered. Maybe press-man but that’s not really our thing. 

The missed call on Bradberry won't stop playing in my mind, which sucks because we should all be hating on Gannon/defense.

25 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Last time I checked, if you take away the fumble TD and the gift TD after the punt return, you end up with 24 points.

Then add back on the doinked FG and the 4 points the Chiefs chose not to score to kill the clock and you are back at 31.  And the defense could have still held the Chiefs to 3 on the punt return, but they chose to leave a receiver unguarded.  

The defense was bad.  The second half was horrible.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It wasn't same surface used during the regular season.  Kind of stupid to debut a new field without any kind of testing.

Just plainly ridiculous, and a really bad look for the NFL.  Doesn't take away from the fact that the Chiefs did a better job of supplying their players with the proper cleats, while the Eagles players kept switching.  Each team should have had a minimum of 1-2 practices on it.  

1 minute ago, RLC said:

The missed call on Bradberry won't stop playing in my mind, which sucks because we should all be hating on Gannon/defense.

It wasn't a missed call, Bradberry admitted that he held him after the game and was hoping they would let it slide. I think we're all just disappointed because we wanted to see Hurts get the ball back down three with a chance to tie or win the game. And that's understandable. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

And KC would have scored a TD on that possession since our defense was useless all night.  I honestly think the impact of the fumble 6 was overstated.  We overcame it.

Agreed. Depending on how things would've played out if we punted instead, there's a chance we go into the half with less of a lead or tied. Being up 24-14 with the momentum we had was more than I could have hoped going into the game. The offense was walking all over them and KC only had 8 minutes of possession.

3 hours ago, greend said:

We lost by 3. He gave up 6. He did play well otherwise but that fumble was a pretty big deal and it was weird on top of it

Sure I agree. We could say the same about the punt return or the Seumalo penalty or the combination of 35 plays run by KC etc

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Then add back on the doinked FG and the 4 points the Chiefs chose not to score to kill the clock and you are back at 31.  And the defense could have still held the Chiefs to 3 on the punt return, but they chose to leave a receiver unguarded.  

The defense was bad.  The second half was horrible.

I'm not saying they were great, by any means.  But to hang the whole game on them is ridiculous.  Reid, Mahomes, and Kelce are all headed to Canton.  KC was going to score points.

After last night if Gannon stays I'm ok with all the D free agents leaving but CJGJ.  I mean he had pro bowlers on the D and they had one of the worst defensive performances in SB history.  

33 minutes ago, RLC said:

Gainwell slipped, like so many players did.

We really need a physical RB on day 2 of the draft.

We really do.  Because gainwell came up way short on a 2nd or 3rd and 2 run as well as that weak RAC. We didn't get that strong running from him. 

Boston Scott was also stopped on a goal line carry.

Someone was stopped on the pitch play out of the sneak formation. Don't remember who. 

Those guys didn't get it done as short yardage runners.  And if Sanders can't do it either, then we have none.

Big need.  Scary how unstoppable this offense could be with another added element like a bruising RB.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It wasn't a missed call, Bradberry admitted that he held him after the game and was hoping they would let it slide. I think we're all just disappointed because we wanted to see Hurts get the ball back down three with a chance to tie or win the game. And that's understandable. 

I’m annoyed because they didn’t call penalties all night and the tug was so benign it didn’t actually affect the play. 

For some reason, the refs decided to throw a flag on a play that decided the game. It was atrocious. 

The best comparison I saw for it was like getting ticketed for going 60 in a 55. Yeah, you’re speeding, but what’s the point of enforcing that?

Gannon said f it I'm probably gone after this year anyways so gonna go back to being **** me

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It wasn't a missed call, Bradberry admitted that he held him after the game and was hoping they would let it slide. I think we're all just disappointed because we wanted to see Hurts get the ball back down three with a chance to tie or win the game. And that's understandable. 

There were zero pass interference calls up until then. I bet refs were letting stuff like that go all game long, which probably lead Bradberry into believing they would let it slide. There's no way that was the first time Bradberry had done that during the game. It's the lack of consistency and that a ticky tacky call like that killed the Eagles chances of having any time for their next possession.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And KC would have scored a TD on that possession since our defense was useless all night.  I honestly think the impact of the fumble 6 was overstated.  We overcame it.

KC actually punted on their possessions before and after the fumble TD.

But, whatever conjecture supports your beliefs.

4 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Agreed. Depending on how things would've played out if we punted instead, there's a chance we go into the half with less of a lead or tied. Being up 24-14 with the momentum we had was more than I could have hoped going into the game. The offense was walking all over them and KC only had 8 minutes of possession.

Yep.  If we want to play the what if game…

If Hurts doesn’t fumble, then our crappy punt team punts.  Mahomes gets good field position.  They march downfield and score a TD.  Then there’s no time at the end of the half for our FG drive.  We lose by 4 instead of 1.

I thought the most important possession was the one right after half. You get a stop there, get the ball back, and get a chance to go up 17 and put a bullet in the game. But they let KC mow right down the field, AR and co. made the adjustments, and it felt like that set the tone for the rest of the half. You got the feeling that the offense needed to be perfect and outside of the one punt, they were. It just wasn't enough. 

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It wasn't a missed call, Bradberry admitted that he held him after the game and was hoping they would let it slide. I think we're all just disappointed because we wanted to see Hurts get the ball back down three with a chance to tie or win the game. And that's understandable. 

No, it's a bad call. Bradberry taking the high road because he didn't want to get fined.

The Chiefs didn't get called for a *single* offensive holding penalty all game. They could have called one on the throw to Juju (Brown on Sweat). That would have been a bad call too, because they let both teams do what they wanted all game.

If anything, the one thing they didn't call on us that they should have was illegal man downfield. 

It is funny to me now about the grass that a lot of us didn't know was rolled into the stadium but apparently we're supposed to know

There was a big thing about it and it actually wasn't even good. Saw both teams slipping on it

The two best qbs (and offenses?) Gannon and the defense faced were Dak and Mahomes. 
 

Dallas punted once 

KC punted once

 

dallas scored on all but 1 drive in the 2nd half (kneel down)

KC scored on all of them

 

dallas scored 40

kc scored 38 (could’ve easily been more)

 

im afraid Gannon this is who Gannon is. His "adjustments” are beyond negligible. If the front 4 doesn’t get anything, he doesn’t adjust. And to think…… I used to think Schwartz never blitzed. Schwartz was Buddy Ryan compared to how passive Gannon is.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And KC would have scored a TD on that possession since our defense was useless all night.  I honestly think the impact of the fumble 6 was overstated.  We overcame it.

Nah bc it only happens after isaacs false start. Convert the sneak and the drive is probably points

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then add back on the doinked FG and the 4 points the Chiefs chose not to score to kill the clock and you are back at 31.  And the defense could have still held the Chiefs to 3 on the punt return, but they chose to leave a receiver unguarded.  

The defense was bad.  The second half was horrible.

Thank you. We’re just gonna take things from the game and remove it then I’m gonna add in the missed field goal. The fact that McKinnon should’ve scored a touchdown on that and you’re right back in the 30s. 

The eagles defense was not good. In the red zone they were atrocious. The chief should have been 5-5 if McKinnon didn’t slide to waste time. They allowed mahomes to complete 78 percent of his passes. They gave up 158 yards on the ground. They did all this in 24 mins of time of possession. Thankfully they didn’t have more in part to the offense cause it would’ve been even worse 

 

 

21 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Is he to small though????  
 

Isaac Seumalo 6 foot 4 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Cam Jurgens 6 foot 3 303 pounds listed on Eagles site

Isaac spider chart

Measurable	Measurement	%tile
Height	6' 4"	45
Weight	303 lbs	16
Arm Length	33"	34
Hand Size	9⅞"	47
10 Yard Split	1.81s	43
40 Yard Dash	5.19s	74
Vertical Jump	26"	33
Broad Jump	105"	72
3-Cone Drill	7.4s	94
20 Yard Shuttle	4.52s	89

 

Jurgens Spider Chart

Height	6' 2⅞"	8
Weight	303 lbs	20
Wingspan	80⅛"	41
Arm Length	33⅜"	41
Hand Size	10"	50
10 Yard Split	1.71s	90
40 Yard Dash	4.92s	97
Bench Press	25 reps	51

Even has slightly longer arms.   Suggested this multiple times during the season.  Jurgens at RG makes a lot of sense to get the most out of what we have on the roster.  

4 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

The two best qbs (and offenses?) Gannon and the defense faced were Dak and Mahomes. 
 

Dallas punted once 

KC punted once

Chiefs punted twice, and Eagles punted twice.  KC just did a far, far better job on theirs.