2 hours ago, RLC said:

This may be a controversial take, but my raw reactions from last night.

- I would let every single FA walk except CJGJ. He's one of the few defensive players that showed up.
- I would continue to use all my premium draft assets on offense 

The best way for Sirianni/Hurts to succeed is continuing him to win as a passer. If we can sustain a top 5 offense, we're a contender every year. Get cheap, young defensive players who will make mistakes but allow the offense to stay in tact.

I love defense but it's an offensive league. Watching the refs throw that flag last night just was another example of that. However, the offense doesn't need much improvements if Kelce is back and they already invested in his replacement. RG would need a guy if Isaac leaves. I do want a physical dominant RB 1. But I think we have plenty of weapons in the passing game really. I'd be fine adding a higher quality #2 TE and a slot WR but at what costs and you need to add to this d-line. You can't have the opponents o-line  just own the trench either.

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Very much far fetched and grasping at straws lol

I don't know, that field was atrocious and whether the league planned it or not that playing surface negatively effected the eagles D more than it did the chiefs and was and played a huge part in the outcome of the game 

Super bowls are always played in domed or warm weather stadiums because snow and rain games make for sloppy football yet that whole idea is totally thrown out the window when one creates a sloppy surface that is worse than had it been muddy or Icey.

Just really unfortunate that that field was so bad and slippery because it totally nullified the eagles outside pass rush.

Still eagles almost won, I'm going to be sick over this one for a while ...

Fellows, the Eagles lost to the Chiefs in all three aspects of the game:

Chiefs' O > Eagles' O

Chiefs' D > Eagles' D

Chiefs' ST > Eagles' ST

I will add - Chiefs' rookie class >> Eagles' rookie class

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s a USFL head coach. 

Then I guess it's just a consultant gig during their offseason. He was brought in to install a more pro-style offense. 

NEXT GENERATION STATS - PASSING LEADERS

Week

SB

 

 

 

 

	TEAM	TT	CAY	IAY	AYD	AGG%	LCAD	AYTS	ATT	YDS	TD	INT	RATE	COMP%	xCOMP%	+/-

	PHI	2.93	6.7	9.7	-3	10.5	58.4	0.7	38	304	1	0	103.4	71.1	60.4	10.7
	KC	2.69	4.3	5.9	-1.6	7.4	31.5	-2.1	27	182	3	0	131.8	77.8	68.6	9.1

PLAYER NAME

Jalen Hurts

Patrick Mahomes

 

 

According to NextGen Stats it looks like Mahomes was 2.69 seconds for the game.

I realize that it's half our team identity, but I'm starting to sour on the RPO.

Hurts, the offense, and the playcalling (despite all 3 catching some criticism), combine for approximately 0% of the blame for last night's loss.  But we still need to look beyond that (especially the SF game).

Hurts has evolved into a legit passer when sitting in the pocket.  And our elite run blocking OL needs to be allowed to get after it with aggressive downhill running plays.  We don't need this gimmick, this hitch and hesitation in the play.  That helped before Hurts started passing at this level.  But teams are onto it.  Either let Hurts drop back into the pocket and scan the whole field, or pound the rock behind the OL.  I feel like the RPO narrows Hurts' passing options to one read right in front of him and also puts the running game on its heels.  

I'm not saying to shelve it altogether, but let's use it less.  Much less.  

Andy: Hey Donovan I want you to lob a careless INT to the right side of the goal line. Then when we get a defensive penalty and move 5 yards closer do it again but mirror it to the other side of the end zone. ( I ask anyone to find another time this was ever done in NFL history)  Later, when a RB is going over the middle throw it 3 yards over his head to a waiting Teddy Bruschi. That is a bad gameplan. 🤣

LJ, I know its a big game but do you think you have 1 fumble to give to the Patriots? its something we drew up with the extra bye week.

4 pathetic turnovers (counting the do-over, not the last desperation who cares pick) and they still lost by only 3.

 

Does anyone actually think AR was responsible for the McNabb meltdown? That's some funny stuff.

I heard Jaworksi explain his SB meltdown.  " I knew throwing it to the TE was the wrong read but I was too hopped up on adrenaline and thought I could force it in there." TD Raiders!

That was on Jaws, not Vermeil. (another 3 picks and a fumble SB)

The last 7 minutes of that 2004 SB was not good but he was working with an out of shape and dehydrated QB.

Blame in that one is 10% LJ, 10% Reid, and 80% #5 and that's being nice to #5.

 

The offensive buffoons coaching Randall watched him go to Minnesota, finish 2nd in MVP voting yet again, win 2 playoff games, and get 1 bad shank FG from the SB.

Cunningham was 19-9 and 2-2 in the playoffs after he left Philly.

AR watched McNabb humiliate himself on 2 different teams. He gave him to DC on purpose like a Trojan Horse.

McNabb was 6-13 after Philly. Playoffs? Playoffs!  Reid took a bad QB and made him very good. Even AR could not make him great.

 

The AR hate has always been misplaced and the king of it is suffering right now.

A turd is flushing himself from WIP this week and he's choking on AR's signature win.

 

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Then I guess it's just a consultant gig during their offseason. He was brought in to install a more pro-style offense. 

Maybe Flip’s USFL coaching duties hadn’t started yet so he was having fun and killing time. 

It’s weird to me that he’s not in the NFL. 

The bottom line is that the Chiefs had four possessions in the 2nd half and scored a TD on all four (technically just three since they milked the clock and kicked the game winning fg instead on the 4th one).  One stop and the Eagles win.  To be fair, one was a short field so put that on the ST.

 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Scoring 35 points should be enough to win the Super Bowl; the defense just didn't play well enough to close the deal after taking a 24-14 lead.  Kansas City were a 14-3 team just like the Eagles were.  It seems strange to me that folks think the Eagles are so much better on paper -- they're not.  

Eagles had an advantage with their WR over the Chiefs young secondary and that played out.  Smith and Brown combined for almost 200 yards.  The Eagles are a slightly better team in the trenches, not that much better.  On this night the Chiefs OL was better, and Mahomes got the ball out quick.  The Eagles OL didn't do a good enough job in the run game.  The Chiefs front 7 did a lot to neutralize the Eagles "advantage"; the Eagles only rushed for just over 100 yards in the game.  Game was lost in the trenches, and Reid did a great job scheming up those goal line plays on their last 2 TDs.  

Some of you guys want to get out the pitchforks like it's the first time the Chiefs have ever scored 38 points in a game.  The Eagles kept the KC offense off the field in the first half -- they weren't able to do it in the second half.

Should be, but wasn't.  We knew that it very likely could become a track meet, and we knew that in that type of game, the Eagles were at a disadvantage.   Even so, the teams were evenly matched.  The Eagles made the big mistakes - fumble and punt return... and lost on the last possession of the game.   

We were robbed of the opportunity to see an OT Super Bowl by the call on Bradberry... or even see the Eagles somehow snatch victory from defeat with a last second TD.  That's what makes me the most sad.  That penalty actually destroyed the ending of an absolutely fantastic game.  But, the Eagles, not the Chiefs made the biggest errors and lost the game.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

This may seem far fetched and maybe I'm grasping  at straws because I'm wrecked but I'm convinced the league knew how bad that field would be and new covering it in paint would make it so slippery and did it on purpose as to avoid another von Miller super bowl.

When astro turf first came into play it made the game faster and more high scoring until defenses figured out that it made them faster of the edge as well.

All the sudden every team in the league has sine 250 pound speedball  edge rusher, and we here all this talk about converting speed to power and all the sudden these little speed balls like vin Miller are wrecking games.

I'm sure the league seeing their MVP with a high ankle sprain and the eagles knocked Ng out the niners two and thought we can't have a super bowl where our immobile marquee guy gets knocked out if the game, no one wants to see the chiefs starting RB throwing passes after Chad henne goes out so what we going to do.

Cover the whole crappy field in effin paint so it's like playing on an oil slik which will totally take phillys  pass rush out of the game and keep mahommes safe and  turn it into a high flying high scoring an duel instead of an actual football game with defense.

And that's what we got.

One incompletion in the  2nd half by mahommes as the eagles DEs were skating all over that field, just an atrocious showing by the NFL and they should be embarrassed but they won't because they made a truckload of money last night so who cares right...😡

I agree!! That field negated our pass rush. Also, lets dig deeper. Congrats to State Farm. The Super bowl was Sponsored by State Farm. They ran their commercials and their celeb spokesman won the championship. What are they odds?

A Pacheco, Brian Robinson, or Dameon Pierce type of RB would be perfect in this offense. Three guys who gave this defense the business this season. I haven't looked into it yet, but there has to be a guy in that mold that you can get in the 3rd-4th round of the draft this year. Maybe Tucker out of Syracuse. You can find guys like that without investing significant capital. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

This may be a controversial take, but my raw reactions from last night.

- I would let every single FA walk except CJGJ. He's one of the few defensive players that showed up.
- I would continue to use all my premium draft assets on offense 

The best way for Sirianni/Hurts to succeed is continuing him to win as a passer. If we can sustain a top 5 offense, we're a contender every year. Get cheap, young defensive players who will make mistakes but allow the offense to stay in tact.

I’d bring back hargrave and CJGJ. I think hargrave is a need if you let graham, Cox, suh and Joseph all leave. I’m fine bringing back graham in a role like Chris long had and not a high cap number. Otherwise I’d let him walk. 

If Gannon stays and you go young might actually benefit those young kids as it’s a pretty simplistic defense. Chiefs basically did that outside of like Clark, Eric reid, thornhill and jones and they were able to maximize their offense. 

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I don't know, that field was atrocious and whether the league planned it or not that playing surface negatively effected the eagles D more than it did the chiefs and was and played a huge part in the outcome of the game 

Super bowls are always played in domed or warm weather stadiums because snow and rain games make for sloppy football yet that whole idea is totally thrown out the window when one creates a sloppy surface that is worse than had it been muddy or Icey.

Just really unfortunate that that field was so bad and slippery because it totally nullified the eagles outside pass rush.

Still eagles almost won, I'm going to be sick over this one for a while ...

Didn't everybody play on the same field?

WTF? Excuses are...well. we didn't get it done...I'm not happy but let me say, It was ours to win..

 

I tried to tell you guys this was not going to be the assured win a lot you thought it would. I've lived through this 4 times now. We have won 1 out of 4. We have never been that great in the biggest game of the year, favored or not.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can't believe some people in this blog said this was a routine throw.

That was the best throw of the entire game.  

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I love defense but it's an offensive league. Watching the refs throw that flag last night just was another example of that. However, the offense doesn't need much improvements if Kelce is back and they already invested in his replacement. RG would need a guy if Isaac leaves. I do want a physical dominant RB 1. But I think we have plenty of weapons in the passing game really. I'm be fine adding a higher quality #2 TE and a slot WR but at what costs and you need to add to this d-line. You can't have the opponents o-line  just own the trench either.

 

Not a lot of reasons we lost on offense.  But we still need to move forward and get better regardless. 

1.  Hurts needs to be more consistent with his deep passes.  

2.  AJ Brown and Devonta Smith do an incredible job of just coming down with the ball, but it would be nice to enhance our deep passing game with a burner deep threat.  Watkins once looked to be that guy, but he just cannot connect and cannot contribute in any other way.  Our deep passing game cannot consist of just hoping for a big catch in traffic from covered WRs.  Need someone that can win a foot race.

3.  I don't think we need a dominant RB 1.  That's what our OL is for.  What we could use, IMO...is the opposite of the big back everyone is clamoring for.  I'd like a back that creates problems in space, matchup problems, disappears behind the OL and dominates on screen plays, and can motion out wide and still command respect in coverage.  That opens up the middle of the field for Hurts to run 10-15 yards a pop.

4. We need the OL to stay healthy.  It was a miracle it worked out this year.  Might not happen again.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize that it's half our team identity, but I'm starting to sour on the RPO.

Hurts, the offense, and the playcalling (despite all 3 catching some criticism), combine for approximately 0% of the blame for last night's loss.  But we still need to look beyond that (especially the SF game).

Hurts has evolved into a legit passer when sitting in the pocket.  And our elite run blocking OL needs to be allowed to get after it with aggressive downhill running plays.  We don't need this gimmick, this hitch and hesitation in the play.  That helped before Hurts started passing at this level.  But teams are onto it.  Either let Hurts drop back into the pocket and scan the whole field, or pound the rock behind the OL.  I feel like the RPO narrows Hurts' passing options to one read right in front of him and also puts the running game on its heels.  

I'm not saying to shelve it altogether, but let's use it less.  Much less.  

I missed the part where the defense came in wearing Hurts jersey to fumble away 6 to 12 points

The Eagles were 1 point favourites and lost a coin-flip game due to a bad call.

That's how it goes against other good teams.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I don't know, that field was atrocious and whether the league planned it or not that playing surface negatively effected the eagles D more than it did the chiefs and was and played a huge part in the outcome of the game 

Super bowls are always played in domed or warm weather stadiums because snow and rain games make for sloppy football yet that whole idea is totally thrown out the window when one creates a sloppy surface that is worse than had it been muddy or Icey.

Just really unfortunate that that field was so bad and slippery because it totally nullified the eagles outside pass rush.

Still eagles almost won, I'm going to be sick over this one for a while ...

The league wants the best product on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't allow that grass again

Hurts is gonna get paid this offseason and he will deserve every $

4 minutes ago, Silent Eagle said:

I agree!! That field negated our pass rush. Also, lets dig deeper. Congrats to State Farm. The Super bowl was Sponsored by State Farm. They ran their commercials and their celeb spokesman won the championship. What are they odds?

Misplaced anger...we're pissed, too, but that ain't it...

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Fellows, the Eagles lost to the Chiefs in all three aspects of the game:

Chiefs' O > Eagles' O

Chiefs' D > Eagles' D

Chiefs' ST > Eagles' ST

I will add - Chiefs' rookie class >> Eagles' rookie class

How much of that was due to the field conditions?

The eagles D is predicated on creating pressure with 4 and dropping 7, with that field neither teams edge defenders could get any grip, which isn't much of a problem for the chiefs as most defenses mush rush hurts anyway.

When Reid and co realized how slippery the field was they started generating pressure by bringing  A gap blitzed and corner or the guy in the nickel spot blitzes.

That's not the eagles D especially against a guy like mahommes, all year it's been rush 4 drop 7 and the eagles generated more sacks from 4 man pressures than any other team, that advantage was directly taken away not by the chiefs but the field that didn't allow the DEs to plant and go, they were skating all game.

Part of the chiefs O playing better is because eagles couldn't get any pressure in mahomes and that greatly benefitted him and the chiefs 

The more I look back in the game in retrospect the less I blame Gannon for  a crappy game plan And the more I blame the field for wrecking that game plan that other wise could have worked.

A couple sacks forced incompletions from pressure could totally change the out fine if that game instead the eagles 4 man pressures were totally non existent due to the horrible state of the playing surface.