40 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You don’t seem to posting the tweet organically but a search for it? Maybe just the video itself? Lots of goofy strings at the end of that address

 

Not sure I needed a breakdown to know that their offensive game plan was flawed... but listening to Baldy, he's right... a gameplan that allows your backup QB to get hit so frequently is a recipe for getting to see Ian Book in the game!     

 

Is there anyone, anywhere, that can produce any type of cogent argument in support of them coming out and THROWING the ball so much with their backup QB against the 2nd ranked pass defense, rather than running it against the 24th ranked rush defense?   Backup QB... Backup RT... Pro Bowl CB returning... and, by all measurements, one of the best OLs in the league.  When Minshew played against the Jets last year, they ran the ball a ton, and only let him pass 25 times or so.   55 offensive snaps, and Minshew went back to pass more than 32 times.  So, there were pass plays called on more than 60% of the plays... in a game that was never 'out of hand', even if it felt that way early.  The scoreboard never reflected that.

Was it Sanders' knee that had them concerned?  If so, dress Sermon to have an extra RB available.  Gainwell actually looked pretty good in his one carry.  Scott as well in his two.    Just a horrific game plan.  The entire coaching staff should apologize to the players for that slop fest of a game plan.   AND... interesting story, OL are more likely to false start when they are in pass pro than when firing off the line to run block, especially when they've already surrendered sacks earlier in the game.  Gotta help them out.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Was it Sanders' knee that had them concerned?  If so, dress Sermon to have an extra RB available.  Gainwell actually looked pretty good in his one carry.  Scott as well in his two.    Just a horrific game plan.  The entire coaching staff should apologize to the players for that slop fest of a game plan.   AND... interesting story, OL are more likely to false start when they are in pass pro than when firing off the line to run block, especially when they've already surrendered sacks earlier in the game.  Gotta help them out.

Just a horrible game plan on O and the coverage scheme on D was also trash in the 1st half.  The loss is on the coaches.

That said, Minshew was horrible.  He was fine against Dallas but he really sheet the bed yesterday and probably ruined his chance to get a starting job next year.

48 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You don’t seem to posting the tweet organically but a search for it? Maybe just the video itself? Lots of goofy strings at the end of that address

 

Yea.  Minshew was bad but the Eagles coaching staff did nothing to help him.  Asking Minshew to win was the wrong move.  Should have been a heavy dose of Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce run blocking to the left and doing whatever they could to minimize the impact of not having Lane Johnson.  It was an absolute horse crap game plan.  Even after they had success running the ball and got within 1 score, they ditched the run game and again, put the game on Minshew's back.  It makes no sense.  

Also, not running your 6th play until the 2nd quarter...laughable. 

This loss falls first and foremost on Sirianni and the coaching staff.  For the game plan, the amount of time it takes to make adjustments and so on.  Minshew wasn't good but I don't look at that loss and say damnit, he's the reason they lost.  Just bad all around.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure I needed a breakdown to know that their offensive game plan was flawed... but listening to Baldy, he's right... a gameplan that allows your backup QB to get hit so frequently is a recipe for getting to see Ian Book in the game!     

Minshew took so many hits because he wouldn't throw the ball in the 1st half (guys were open too).

I would have ran the ball more too, but Gannon's defense let the opposing offense hold the ball too much in the 1st half necessitating more passing.

You'd think we should be paid instead of the coaches right?  I mean jesus f'ing christ.....what has Gannon's zones allowed as a completion %?  Like 98%?  Hmmm......you'd think, maybe we shouldn't use that crap!?!?

9 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Washers gonna wash

And Haters gonna hate. Meh.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Top 5 pass rush in the history of the NFL, and we just can't figure out how to stop the likes of Dak Prescott.  Its really like rocket science 

Feels so hollow. 

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Just a horrible game plan on O and the coverage scheme on D was also trash in the 1st half.  The loss is on the coaches.

That said, Minshew was horrible.  He was fine against Dallas but he really sheet the bed yesterday and probably ruined his chance to get a starting job next year.

You are correct.  But, I think that the coaches also set him up for failure.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are correct.  But, I think that the coaches also set him up for failure.

Agreed, they did.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You don’t seem to posting the tweet organically but a search for it? Maybe just the video itself? Lots of goofy strings at the end of that address

 

They just don't want to run the ball. The only thing that makes sense is it comes from the top. 

The gameplan was vanilla.

But we needed chocolate.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Minshew took so many hits because he wouldn't throw the ball in the 1st half (guys were open too).

I would have ran the ball more too, but Gannon's defense let the opposing offense hold the ball too much in the 1st half necessitating more passing.

Yes... and no.   Minshew took so many hits, because they put the game in his hands.  If he's handing the ball off, he wouldn't have been hit. 

And Gannon's defense did let the opposing offense hold the ball for a long time.  But, you know what limits that... running the ball when you get it, so that YOU now hold the ball instead.  3 straight 3 and outs to start the game had as much to do with the Saints holding the ball for so long as did the Saints' offense handling the Eagles.

The Eagles' opening script was to throw the ball... that's how they approached their opening drive.  There was no need to panic at that point, or any point, honestly, in the first half.  The game wasn't out of hand.  Stick to the team's identity (and without your starting QB.... that identity is the OL).  Run. the. ball.     There was never, at any point in that game, a necessity to pass the ball... even on their last possession with 3 minutes on the clock.  There was STILL enough time to run the ball in an uptempo offense.  They had all their timeouts and had everything they needed to get in position for a score before the half... even if it was only 3, running the ball.  The offensive coaches did this to themselves, it had nothing to do with the defense.

2 losses in a row.  Not exactly the momentum builder going into the playoff.  Did not get to watch the game due to local TV coverage.  The offense must have played poorly to almost without a 1st down in the first half.  By the sack numbers, the defense did OK, though only in the 2nd half.  The team was in a major hangover after the NY Eve celebrations.

I imagine that the Saints were playing a heavy box and daring Minshew to beat them early… that approach is hardly surprising. Given that this was a game we definitely needed, why we didn’t show run and go play action or just grind it out (or essentially do anything to tailor a game plan to Minshew) is surprising. This approach seems reminiscent of the Bears game - where we’d take the bait and put a ton of pressure on the QB to produce under non-ideal circumstances (ie, bad weather, no Lane Johnson)… or is it just the same approach that ignores new variables.

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

The gameplan was vanilla.

But we needed chocolate.

It wasn't even vanilla.  It was fat-free frozen yogurt.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I imagine that the Saints were playing a heavy box and daring Minshew to beat them early… that approach is hardly surprising. Given that this was a game we definitely needed, why we didn’t show run and go play action or just grind it out (or essentially do anything to tailor a game plan to Minshew) is surprising. This approach seems reminiscent of the Bears game - where we’d take the bait and put a ton of pressure on the QB to produce under non-ideal circumstances (ie, bad weather, no Lane Johnson)… or is it just the same approach that ignores new variables.

So what?   The Falcons managed to run the ball on the Saints... with a worse OL, less talented RBs, and a rookie QB making his first start.

Make them PROVE that they can actually stop you.  Go to a heavy formation, if you need to... put a hat on a hat and move the LOS.  

 

I think its mostly the same approach with new variables.  Hurts at QB beat the Saints twice now, by HIM running the ball all over them.  But, he wasn't available to do that, so a NEW gameplan needed to be implemented.  And, the only thing that actually makes sense to me is that they believed (or at least deeply hoped) that Hurts would be able to play this game, but didn't quite heal to the point they were comfortable.  So, the result was, they went into the game with Minshew at QB, with a game plan designed for Hurts.  Shame on them for that.  Once it becomes clear that that's not going to happen, they HAVE to adjust the gameplan, or have TWO gameplans... one for Hurts and one for Minshew.  Belichick (as much as I can't stand him) would often have a 1st half and a 2nd half gameplan to really throw off an opponent.  Its extra work, for sure, but this season is the type of year that you put in just that little bit extra, because of what is sitting there in front of you.  These opportunities don't come along all the time, so you need to strike while the iron is hot.

More coaching madness.  The last play of the 1st half screen play to DeVonta Smith.  Padded the stats but was useless and irresponsible to call a play that puts a player at risk of an injury when it's not needed.   He apparently limped off but was fine.  Still have to be smarter there.  

Also, found myself laughing out loud when Covey got absolutely destroyed on the one PR.  He doesn't belong on the field. 

The snap counts should not be this close.  Maybe some of that is because of Sanders knee but goodness, this isn't a 3 headed monster attack.  It should be heavy Sanders with Scott and Gainwell getting a few carries here and there.  Hate how they use the RB.

Miles Sanders 22 snaps

Boston Scott 18 snaps

Kenny Gainwell 15 snaps

 

Did anyone ask Nick in his press conference about the game plan?

 

why cant PE.com post the damn transcripts like they used to do?  Theyve deliberately turned that site into crap

26 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

You'd think we should be paid instead of the coaches right?  I mean jesus f'ing christ.....what has Gannon's zones allowed as a completion %?  Like 98%?  Hmmm......you'd think, maybe we shouldn't use that crap!?!?

It's so frustrating. It's not like we don't have a defense that can run man. We have good corners. We have good LB. We have an elite DL. 

Press those a-holes and let the DL go to work. Stop sitting in zone and allowing teams to put their best receiver in the slot to abuse Scott all game.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So what?   The Falcons managed to run the ball on the Saints... with a worse OL, less talented RBs, and a rookie QB making his first start.

Make them PROVE that they can actually stop you.  Go to a heavy formation, if you need to... put a hat on a hat and move the LOS.  

 

I think its mostly the same approach with new variables.  Hurts at QB beat the Saints twice now, by HIM running the ball all over them.  But, he wasn't available to do that, so a NEW gameplan needed to be implemented.  And, the only thing that actually makes sense to me is that they believed (or at least deeply hoped) that Hurts would be able to play this game, but didn't quite heal to the point they were comfortable.  So, the result was, they went into the game with Minshew at QB, with a game plan designed for Hurts.  Shame on them for that.  Once it becomes clear that that's not going to happen, they HAVE to adjust the gameplan, or have TWO gameplans... one for Hurts and one for Minshew.  Belichick (as much as I can't stand him) would often have a 1st half and a 2nd half gameplan to really throw off an opponent.  Its extra work, for sure, but this season is the type of year that you put in just that little bit extra, because of what is sitting there in front of you.  These opportunities don't come along all the time, so you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Agreed on all points - a heavy run attack featuring Goedert and some shot plays to AJ/Smitty would’ve been fine with me.

34 minutes ago, RLC said:

Looks like the Saints pick will be between the 10th and 16th pick. That's quite a range.

Even if the Saints W, it's possible it's only going to 11th (loser of Jags/Titans get passed). If the Saints lose, it's locked into 10.

Root for: Browns, Pats, Commanders, Jets, Seahawks, Titans,

Really sucks that the pick was around 5/6 all season, but I guess we should be counting our blessings that the Saints were eliminated yesterday otherwise it could've been much worse. 
Hopefully it's 10/11. 

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Agreed on all points - a heavy run attack featuring Goedert and some shot plays to AJ/Smitty would’ve been fine with me.

It's how they beat the snot out of them last year but no, let's go pass happy with Minshew. How f'n bad is this play calling and offensive staff.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

More coaching madness.  The last play of the 1st half screen play to DeVonta Smith.  Padded the stats but was useless and irresponsible to call a play that puts a player at risk of an injury when it's not needed.   He apparently limped off but was fine.  Still have to be smarter there.  

Also, found myself laughing out loud when Covey got absolutely destroyed on the one PR.  He doesn't belong on the field. 

The snap counts should not be this close.  Maybe some of that is because of Sanders knee but goodness, this isn't a 3 headed monster attack.  It should be heavy Sanders with Scott and Gainwell getting a few carries here and there.  Hate how they use the RB.

Miles Sanders 22 snaps

Boston Scott 18 snaps

Kenny Gainwell 15 snaps

 

They got snaps, but they were mostly ignored running the ball, even though they seemed to have success.   Gainwell's 1 carry was called back due to a 'penalty'.  Scott had 2 carries.  Sanders had 12.  

It should have been run heavy, with Sanders getting maybe 16 carries, Gainwell about 10 and Scott about 10.  They never abandoned the run.  They seemed to have no interest in ever running the ball, even though they did have success doing so.   

 

And... when Hurts is out... eliminate the QB sneak from the playbook.  Minshew is NOT that guy.  He's scrawny.  Find a play for 4th and 1 that's got just a little layer of creativity to it.  Fake the sneak and run a quick flip 90 on them and see if you can either catch them over committing or that the RB can put a move on that one defender in the open field and pick up the first down.  I've been against the frequency of QB sneaks for the course of the year, partly because I just hate the constant beating our QB has taken all year... but also partly because it really appeared to be a massive lack of creativity from the offensive coaches.  They've run a variant off of it about twice I think now, and was wildly successful both times.  Yesterday was a great opportunity to try a variant.  Yesterday was a great opportunity just to run a vastly different play on 4th and short.   But, as I posed earlier, it seems that they just ran out there with the Jalen Hurts game plan for Gardner Minshew and then were surprised at the results.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

It's how they beat the snot out of them last year but no, let's go pass happy with Minshew. How f'n bad is this coaching staff. 

They beat them last year with HURTS running the snot out of them.  Hurts was actually the leading rusher (in attempts) that game with 18.  Certainly don't want that with Minshew.  Then again, I don't want that with Hurts either!

Let's address the elephant in the room...

Jordan Davis is invisible. For someone that big and athletic, he sure does a lot of nothing.