So I was traveling home yesterday but followed along on Twitter and Gamecast. Sounds like I missed a fun game.

It’s sad how much we needed Tampa’s two come-from-behind wins to salvage a nearly disastrous two-week stretch for the Eagles. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Granted Jordan is a beast but Driscoll was getting pushed back into minshew every snap.

At barely 300 lbs he just doesn't anchor well especially against a big strong DE like Jordan.

If NYG actually plays anybody, they should flip flop their DEs - Ximenes and Ojulari vs Mailata (quick) and Thibs vs Driscoll (he’s not very nuanced but strong).

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

49ers are 5-0 with their 3rd string QB.

Brock Purdy passes - 143

49ers running back carries - 143

Yup, that system shannahan runs is QB friendly.

Lots of screen passes to WRs lots of dump offs to running backs, and easy reads with lots of motion and reading one side of the field and it helps tremendously when one can run the ball effectively and stay ahead of the chains, purdy hasn't been in many 3rd and 30s and is consistently in favorable conditions.

Too bad Siri and Steichen didn't put minshew in favorable situations, lots of 3rd and longs yesterday.

Sanders Ave 6 yards a carry yet only had 12 touches🤷‍♂️

Meanwhile steichen is dialing up pass after pass against the saints top corner and a saints defense ranked 23rd against the run.

Shannahan > Steichen

 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Agreed.  We can literally line anybody up in that spot to be abused in zone coverage.

 

If they didn’t screw it all up, it would’ve been nice seeing Zech, Nakobe, Jurgens, Sermon, Dillard and rest of the mystery roster get some real snaps… oof. I guess there’s a chance, but not the same vibe.

Another thing I will point out, for all this is it Hurts or is it the system discussion, it is quite clear Sirianni and Steichen believe it is their system.

Why else would Minshew pass 72 times to 39 RB carries in his two starts.

Saints #3 pass defense, Cowboys #9 pass defense.

Saints #5 in sacks, Cowboys #3 in sacks.

Saints #22 run defense, Cowboys #21 run defense.

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think Milton Williams could really thrive in the Hargrave role.  He’ll be surrounded by significant beef and won’t have to anchor too much against the run with multiple blockers. He might really rack up the sacks as he gets better jumping the snap with more experience.

I don’t want to pay Hargrave over 30…and Williams might be the excuse they need to not do it.

Of course, that means we need to replace Williams’ role this year.  They still need to draft a stout DT in the mid rounds, but I’d let Hargrave walk.

I think not re-signing Hargrave is a good idea.  It's definitely a situation where he's going to want to get a high end market deal after a big season and where the Eagles woud be better off moving on a year too soon rather than a year too late.  

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

see my post late last night.  Completely invisible.  I know Cam Jurgens has played in some packages and that he shows a ton of promise as Kelce's replacement in time but this draft class so far...woof.

And the class of centers coming out this year looks pretty good. I don't see Cam as some prospect that is so much better that you had to have him last year in round 2. 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Another thing I will point out, for all this is it Hurts or is it the system discussion, it is quite clear Sirianni and Steichen believe it is their system.

Why else would Minshew pass 72 times to 39 RB carries in his two starts.

Saints #3 pass defense, Cowboys #9 pass defense.

Saints #5 in sacks, Cowboys #3 in sacks.

Saints #22 run defense, Cowboys #21 run defense.

Yep, plain arrogance. "we knew better" 

Actually guys, you don't and you're showing how incompetent you are.

19 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

And the class of centers coming out this year looks pretty good. I don't see Cam as some prospect that is so much better that you had to have him last year in round 2. 

I know nothing about the center class, but how many of them are in the same athletic class as Kelce and Jurgens? 

Edit: I should also note that I think the Eagles really valued having an apprenticeship under Kelce for this year. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I think Milton Williams could really thrive in the Hargrave role.  He’ll be surrounded by significant beef and won’t have to anchor too much against the run with multiple blockers. He might really rack up the sacks as he gets better jumping the snap with more experience.

I don’t want to pay Hargrave over 30…and Williams might be the excuse they need to not do it.

Of course, that means we need to replace Williams’ role this year.  They still need to draft a stout DT in the mid rounds, but I’d let Hargrave walk.

They need to add a few DE too.  I know they use LB in a pass rush role and Cox was playing a lot on the edge but once Sweat went out, the only DE on the team yesterday was BG.  

59 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He has been the least mistake prone QB in the league. Lowest interceptions total and interception rate. 

No idea at all why some of you in the blog continue to die on this hill of trying to belittle how great Jalen is and how much of a positive impact his play has on this team. 

He is a FAR superior QB to Minshew.  There is no doubt about that.  There is no doubt with Jalen in there that our offense is much better.  It's no coincidence that we went 13-1 with Jalen Hurts and 0-2 with Minshew.

If you honestly think the results of the past two games wouldn't have been different with Jalen in there then I have no idea what you're watching. 

Everything you said is correct.  No one is saying the results of the last 2 games would be different if Hurts played.  The initial post was about the writing by Zangaro and thinking Jalen can do no wrong.  Listen RTK, no one is saying Minshew is better than Hurts or that the Eagles don't lose either game if Hurts is in there.  

How does anyone know what Jalen Hurts would have done?  To write this is just silly. 

Jalen Hurts would have looked up. Jalen Hurts wouldn’t have thrown the pass.

Jalen Hurts would have won the game

32 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

And the class of centers coming out this year looks pretty good. I don't see Cam as some prospect that is so much better that you had to have him last year in round 2. 

100% agreed. And he's probably going to be sitting on the sideline again next year when Kelce decides to come back.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I k ow nothing about the center class, but how many of them are in the same athletic class as Kelce and Jurgens? 

I'm not sure about that yet, the combine will help clear that up. But there's some pretty good ones. Good enough that I don't know if you HAD to go out and draft Cam round 2 last year when there's other immediate areas of need. I just don't know why they always have to take players so high that don't see the field or expected to see the field. 
Look at the Jets draft for instance. They got great and immediate production from their picks. This is a trend in the Roseman regime that is frustrating to me. 

59 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think there is a better chance that they let Bradberry walk than Hargrave (obviously we might get priced out of both), but if Milton can take Fletch’s role that would be good - I’m not expecting 2017 Fletch just a better version than we have now who can eat snaps without being a liability and feed off Reddick/Sweat pressures.

I mentioned yesterday that the must re-signs on defense to me in order are Gardner-Johnson, Hargrave, and Edwards. I’d prioritize them over Bradberry and White. Corner will be higher on their radar in the draft with both Slay and Bradberry north of 30. 

6 minutes ago, shlo said:

100% agreed. And he's probably going to be sitting on the sideline again next year when Kelce decides to come back.

That would be awesome.  Let's hope it happens.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Let's address the elephant in the room...

Jordan Davis is invisible. For someone that big and athletic, he sure does a lot of nothing.

He needs to learn to be a whole lot more violent and nasty.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm not sure about that yet, the combine will help clear that up. But there's some pretty good ones. Good enough that I don't know if you HAD to go out and draft Cam round 2 last year when there's other immediate areas of need. I just don't know why they always have to take players so high that don't see the field or expected to see the field. 
Look at the Jets draft for instance. They got great and immediate production from their picks. This is a trend in the Roseman regime that is frustrating to me. 

The Jets stink, so their rookies had an opportunity to play. Howie was able to fill holes with free agents/trades for immediate gain, and the team has been remarkably healthy until recently… tough scenario for rookies wanting to see the field.

Jalen Hurts wouldn't have thrown the pick 6 to Ronde Barber.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Everything you said is correct.  No one is saying the results of the last 2 games would be different if Hurts played.  The initial post was about the writing by Zangaro and thinking Jalen can do no wrong.  Listen RTK, no one is saying Minshew is better than Hurts or that the Eagles don't lose either game if Hurts is in there.  

How does anyone know what Jalen Hurts would have done?  To write this is just silly. 

Jalen Hurts would have looked up. Jalen Hurts wouldn’t have thrown the pass.

Jalen Hurts would have won the game

Clearly shows those who are more worried about their opinion being vindicated at the expense of the Eagles.

Minshew is a downgrade from Hurts, and Sirianni and Steichen made it worse by going pass happy, without Lane Johnson against a defense that can be ran on.

You can win with your back up in this league, and the 9ers are proving you can win with your 3rd QB.  Say what you want about Shanahan in big spots, but he does make it easy for his QB to succeed by playing to his team’s strengths and going after opponent weaknesses.  The Eagles did the exact opposite yesterday.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Jalen Hurts wouldn't have thrown the pick 6 to Ronde Barber.

I had a post traumatic flashback like I had served in Vietnam when Lattimore housed that yesterday. The Ronde pick 6 is the worst play in this franchise’s history. 

This is a playoff game if they actually do play their starters and having no Lane isn’t going to get it done. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You can win with your back up in this league, and the 9ers are proving you can win with your 3rd QB.  Say what you want about Shanahan in big spots, but he does make it easy for his QB to succeed by playing to his team’s strengths and going after opponent weaknesses.  The Eagles did the exact opposite yesterday.

Exactly.  As poor as Minshew was this one is all on the coaching staff.

For all the debbie downers in here, think back to the Raiders game in 2017.  The team was equally lethargic and played horrible.  The difference was that they pulled it out at the end and this time we didn't.  Win next week and the result is still the same, #1 seed, bye, home field.  Also, that 2017 team was missing several key players and those never made it back.

I just want to move past Sunday and change the subject…so I want to think draft for a minute.  There will be plenty of playoff football to discuss a bit later.

This is how I’d compartmentalize needs for the 2023 draft and the range in which I’d be willing to address positions:

1st/2nd round: DE, CB, CB (yup, again), RT/RG.  (In any order based on bpa).

2nd through 4th round: RB, deep threat WR

3-5: DT, DT, OG

Late: QB, S.

 

This is also based on my expectation/want to retain CJGJ/Epps/Edwards and to allow almost all other expiring contracts to walk.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I just want to move past Sunday and change the subject…so I want to think draft for a minute.  There will be plenty of playoff football to discuss a bit later.

This is how I’d compartmentalize needs for the 2023 draft and the range in which I’d be willing to address positions:

1st/2nd round: DE, CB, CB (yup, again), RT/RG.  (In any order based on bpa).

2nd through 4th round: RB, deep threat WR

3-5: DT, DT, OG

Late: QB, S.

I don't trust Howie drafting CB that high.  We need it and there are players available but Howie's track record at CB/DB is bad.  Hell, his track record at drafting defense isn't that great.  Having needs at every level on defense is not a good way to enter the draft.   

If the Saints pick is any lower than 14, I'm looking to trade back. 

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I had a post traumatic flashback like I had served in Vietnam when Lattimore housed that yesterday. The Ronde pick 6 is the worst play in this franchise’s history. 

I still carry scars from that game, distributed equally between Barber and Jurevicius