1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

From my paramedic/firefighter buddy...

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We can probably clean up that language a bit out of respect for the young man fighting for his life. 

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

From my paramedic/firefighter buddy...

"Aortic aneurysm is pretty much the kiss of death. No reports releasing diagnosis. Getting pulses back within 10 minutes is a good sign. He is most likely on ecmo now. Gonna be lucky if he makes it through the night."

That’s not what’s going on at all…

Just now, DEagle7 said:

If it was a burst aortic aneurysm you're not getting a pulse back in the field like that.  

I wouldn’t think so

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Maybe in therapeutic hypothermia for the next day? 

Cardiac arrest happens when the heart suddenly stops beating. Once the heart starts beating again, healthcare providers use cooling devices to lower your body temperature for a short time. It’s lowered to around 89°F to 93°F (32°C to 34°C). The treatment usually lasts about 24 hours. 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/therapeutic-hypothermia-after-cardiac-arrest#:~:text=Once the heart starts beating,usually lasts about 24 hours.

My understanding is that that was to combat swelling.  Interesting read.  Thanks.

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

One thing is clear, tackle football has an expiry date. It might be 20 years from now or 50 years, this sport as is, is not long for the world.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thought track

This shouldn't be the end of the sport. There have been more deaths resulting from on field events in baseball than any other sport, by a mile. And baseball is still "America's Pastime".

Sorry if you think that's crass to say. I wish and pray for the best possible outcome for Damar Hamlin.

But I don't agree with anyone who thinks this event could or should lead to the end of American Football.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is overreaction. Football isn’t going anywhere.

Agreed. If anything they'll just improve the gear that players wear or change the rules of tackles like they've been doing 

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's the most profitable sports industry in America. People make billions of dollars in this industry and history tells us those making mega money on a product don't just willingly give it up. Football is going nowhere. My money is eventually medical technological innovation creates something at some point in the future to drastically eliminate catastrophic injuries.

Technology increases in orders of magnitudes, so eventually something will be made to really cut down on the life threatening stuff.

At the turn of the century, horse racing was the number 1 spectator sport in America. Crowds of up to 100,000 would turn out to see famed horses like Dan Patch. Then baseball came along and then television. Horse racing is a dying if not dead sport in the US. Baseball was America's sport until relatively recently when Football has really taken off. The fastest growing spectator sport area is Esports. How many gaming generations will it take to displace one financial top dog by another? It could very well happen. Most of the young people I work with don't know football, or pro sports in general, like we did when we were kids. In the football program with which I am affiliated, 10 years ago the HS varsity squad would have 80 players, easy. Now, with CTE being so well documented, the team is lucky to get 40 or so players and this is in a football crazy state. It is possible. 

It is not just the injuries but multiple societal and technological changes. For example, you don't really see Rock and Roll bands like when we were kids, right? How young people interact with music has entirely changed because of the distribution technologies. Things change. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Agreed. If anything they'll just improve the gear that players wear or change the rules of tackles like they've been doing 

It also appear possible, at least, that this could have been a condition and not a direct result of the hit/trauma. 

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

We can probably clean up that language a bit out of respect for the young man fighting for his life. 

I did.  Apologies 

4 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

I agree, it is. In a very different realm, when I was in Afghanistan and Iraq (2006-2013) we had injuries/deaths, had "flight line” ceremonies to send the fallen home, and went right back to work. One time in 2010 we went out 7 nights in a row trying to find a group that killed 2 navy dustwun. We went out 14 times to try to find bergdahl. 
 

this is all to say the mind is capable of an enormous degree of compartmentalization when compelled to it. That being said, you pay the price down the road when the compartments come down. I for one hope they don’t do that to these men. 

Yup, but we were in theory at least inoculated to the thought of death.  Plus we are seeing the after effects of 22 a day with the down the road price.  Until each member of the Bills team, staff, janitors, trainers, etc can speak to him...IDK that I'd force them to do anything.

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

At the turn of the century, horse racing was the number 1 spectator sport in America. Crowds of up to 100,000 would turn out to see famed horses like Dan Patch. Then baseball came along and then television. Horse racing is a dying if not dead sport in the US. Baseball was America's sport until relatively recently when Football has really taken off. The fastest growing spectator sport area is Esports. How many gaming generations will it take to displace one financial top dog by another? It could very well happen. Most of the young people I work with don't know football, or pro sports in general, like we did when we were kids. In the football program with which I am affiliated, 10 years ago the HS varsity squad would have 80 players, easy. Now, with CTE being so well documented, the team is lucky to get 40 or so players and this is in a football crazy state. It is possible. 
 

Baseball and horse racing are still around though. People are saying football will be dead. The only way it dies is if in a country of 335 million people, no one is willing to play it. Which I find incredibly unlikely.

 

His foundation has passed $1 million in just a few hours

 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Baseball and horse racing are still around though. People are saying football will be dead. The only way it dies is if in a country of 335 million people, no one is willing to play it. Which I find incredibly unlikely.

Fair enough. I was not trying to make a point that it will be dead but rather it could become quite diminished. Boxing as an example, maybe. 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I did.  Apologies 

You don’t owe me an apology man all good 

Football isn’t going anywhere

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Agreed. If anything they'll just improve the gear that players wear or change the rules of tackles like they've been doing 

How about making dudes actually wear the mouth pieces instead of looking cool like Diggs and other players do. 

That seems simple to help with concussions

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That’s not what’s going on at all…

Just reporting what on the opinion of a veteran paramedic/firefighter/police officer...hoping for the best obviously 

 

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Yup, but we were in theory at least inoculated to the thought of death.  Plus we are seeing the after effects of 22 a day with the down the road price.  Until each member of the Bills team, staff, janitors, trainers, etc can speak to him...IDK that I'd force them to do anything.

I agree brother. I think we’re saying the same thing. Could they play tomorrow for that matter?  Sure. But don’t put that burden on them. 

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's the most profitable sports industry in America. People make billions of dollars in this industry and history tells us those making mega money on a product don't just willingly give it up. Football is going nowhere. My money is eventually medical technological innovation creates something at some point in the future to drastically eliminate catastrophic injuries.

Technology increases in orders of magnitudes, so eventually something will be made to really cut down on the life threatening stuff.

 

15 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

One thing is clear, tackle football has an expiry date. It might be 20 years from now or 50 years, this sport as is, is not long for the world.

I go back and forth on this.

Think of the money people in this country pumps into drugs, alcohol, gambling….the sheer popularity of these things.  Their collateral damage incomprehensibly dwarfs football.  And they are going strong.  People don’t say they are going to stop drinking because they don’t want to support an industry responsible for countless deaths per year via liver disease and drunk driving.  Do we really expect people to stop watching football to stop supporting an industry responsible for about 0-1 traumatic deaths per year and a few hundred CTE cases?  
 

On the other hand…football still may die from the ground up if kids aren’t allowed to play.  HS football is what needs to be monitored closely over the next 5-10 years.  Once Friday night lights goes downhill, the rest will trickle up.

Just now, Allhaildawk said:

I agree brother. I think we’re saying the same thing. Could they play tomorrow for that matter?  Sure. But don’t put that burden on them. 

Do teams travel and play the day of? I always thought they travel a day before or something. Bills are flying home tonight

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Do teams travel and play the day of? I always thought they travel a day before or something. Bills are flying home tonight

I wasn’t speaking about the travel logistics but it seems they travel to before (unless it’s a bus ride ie giants-eagles) and fly out the same day after