3 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Just been reading we might sign Mariota and let minshew goto the bucs

There is a 0% chance random internet sleuths know what Howie is thinking 2+ months before FA opens.

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Minshew can walk into oncoming traffic the way he's been playing of late

Would rather have Heinicke over Mariota, but will take either over Minshew.

11 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Ummm...there is no way in hell the Eagles are going to use a top ten pick on a running back. Just ain't happening so please let's stop suggesting it. They're taking a lineman (probably defensive but offensive is a possibility) or a cornerback. That's it.

Pretty much. I think there is a really good chance we trade down as well.

I will say, I think we could see a shocker at 31 (or whatever it ends up being). A RB like Bijan Robinson assuming Sanders moves on would make a lot of sense.

I’ll also throw this curve ball out there: don’t be surprised if Howie takes a flyer on QB Anthony Richardson if he drops to our late first rounder. It’s clear to me that our entire offense gets disrupted without having a running threat at QB.

This is a running team built on that option action from the QB position and things just don’t work right without it.

We also know how highly the eagles value the QB position. Richardson has super star potential, but obviously needs work, so he’d be a good fit learning behind Hurts for his rookie year. We can get a few years of elite backup QB play out of him and then flip him for extra draft picks towards the end of his contract.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

We can get a few years of elite backup QB play out of him and then flip him for extra draft picks towards the end of his contract.

You’ll never get return on investment for a 1st round backup. The only possible scenario we take a QB round 1 is that we’re 100% not bringing Hurts back in 2024. What the Packers did with Love up to this point was a completely wasted pick. Imagine if they had a 1st round WR in those 2 years Rodgers won MVP. Those weren’t blowout playoff losses, they were arguably 1 impact player away. Or a now-veteran X receiver this year. Or a ballhawk safety, or a Star TE.

It’s too valuable a pick to be wasted like that

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Pretty much. I think there is a really good chance we trade down as well.

I will say, I think we could see a shocker at 31 (or whatever it ends up being). A RB like Bijan Robinson assuming Sanders moves on would make a lot of sense.

I’ll also throw this curve ball out there: don’t be surprised if Howie takes a flyer on QB Anthony Richardson if he drops to our late first rounder. It’s clear to me that our entire offense gets disrupted without having a running threat at QB.

This is a running team built on that option action from the QB position and things just don’t work right without it.

We also know how highly the eagles value the QB position. Richardson has super star potential, but obviously needs work, so he’d be a good fit learning behind Hurts for his rookie year. We can get a few years of elite backup QB play out of him and then flip him for extra draft picks towards the end of his contract.

Minshew and the offense were fine in two of his three legit starts. I think you’re reading too much into one bad Minshew/coaching game. 

If we’re talking about backup QB, Cameron Ward out of Washington State has been a guy I’ve thought about Eagles going after in the draft. Right now he’s seen as a Day 2 or Day 3 guy, not sure where he’ll be ranked when it gets closer to the draft. 

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You’ll never get return on investment for a 1st round backup. The only possible scenario we take a QB round 1 is that we’re 100% not bringing Hurts back in 2024. What the Packers did with Love up to this point was a completely wasted pick. Imagine if they had a 1st round WR in those 2 years Rodgers won MVP. Those weren’t blowout playoff losses, they were arguably 1 impact player away. Or a now-veteran X receiver this year. Or a ballhawk safety, or a Star TE.

It’s too valuable a pick to be wasted like that

Totally disagree.

Hurts style of physical running means he’s going to be banged up a lot, as we are seeing now. Richardson will absolutely get playing time over his rookie deal. And if he plays well, the eagles can easily get a higher first rounder than 31 or whatever, with the dividend of having a top tier backup QB who doesn’t force you to change your entire run game.

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

It is 100% a rare situation and I'm not being critical of their decision to honor him, just the way they are going about it.  Just seems obscenely large for a guy who gave them a pep talk today.

50+ people were gun downed in LV, quarter sized sticker on the back of the helmet.  Just for comparison of another situation.

Same thing with UVA.  Very small helmet sticker for 3 players who were murdered this year.  I can show a lot of examples of much much smaller memorials for people who have passed away.  

That is because Hamlin’s situation was on live MNF in front of a nationwide audience.  Plus he seems to be really well liked by his teammates. So the Bills want to honor him and because of the public perception, the NFL went along with it.

During 911, corporately we had four employees die in the towers. All were there for business meetings and our office in NYC was a block away.They named a corporate award after them that they still give out annually.  A couple of years prior, we had four employees on the road traveling for business, away from their families in a different state.  They were killed by an 18 wheeler.  Not near as visible as 9/11.  Award named after them? No.  Not as visible.  

Lots of NFL players had their futures impacted by injury this year.  Tua looks like a candidate for long term brain issues, for example.  No patches for them because a different view. Did Tua’s charity get a huge influx of contributions?  Different view.  Did Roger watch that third concussion and suddenly up the contribution to the concussions studies or disabled players fund? Nope.

But can’t blame the Bills or McDermott for turning this into a "win one for the Gipper” emotion for the team.  

This isn’t downplaying Hamlin’s injury or the immediate threat to his life.  This isn’t downplaying him as a person or teammate. It is just recognizing the reality of the response. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Minshew and the offense were fine in two of his three legit starts. I think you’re reading too much into one bad Minshew/coaching game. 

I disagree. The run game was noticeably different, and the coaches reflected that concern by shying away from it.

More to the point, the organization places extreme value on the QB position. We’ve consistently brought in talent at QB even when our starter was established.

7 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

If we’re talking about backup QB, Cameron Ward out of Washington State has been a guy I’ve thought about Eagles going after in the draft. Right now he’s seen as a Day 2 or Day 3 guy, not sure where he’ll be ranked when it gets closer to the draft. 

He’d be a good look as well.

I do think we need an athlete at the backup QB who can step in and not require the offense to stop using QB runs as a threat. You can’t build your offense and playbook around that dynamic and then be forced to abandon it when your QB who rushes constantly happens to get injured.

This would be a high priority for me if the team plans on re-signing Hurts.

20 minutes ago, TEW said:

Pretty much. I think there is a really good chance we trade down as well.

I will say, I think we could see a shocker at 31 (or whatever it ends up being). A RB like Bijan Robinson assuming Sanders moves on would make a lot of sense.

I’ll also throw this curve ball out there: don’t be surprised if Howie takes a flyer on QB Anthony Richardson if he drops to our late first rounder. It’s clear to me that our entire offense gets disrupted without having a running threat at QB.

This is a running team built on that option action from the QB position and things just don’t work right without it.

We also know how highly the eagles value the QB position. Richardson has super star potential, but obviously needs work, so he’d be a good fit learning behind Hurts for his rookie year. We can get a few years of elite backup QB play out of him and then flip him for extra draft picks towards the end of his contract.

🤔. Not sure I buy that.  What seemed to happen was that they ignored the running game against the Saints, and there's no logical explanation for it.  It was a straight up brain fart game by the offensive coaching staff.  There's no way to explain why they ignored the running game.  They had a backup QB, and backup RT (missing the RT that is always linked to success when he's on the field and linked to failures when he's on the sidelines).   They were facing the 2nd best passing defense... and the 24th best rush defense.  So of course, they ignore the running game and push the passing agenda... for no particular reason.

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

Totally disagree.

Hurts style of physical running means he’s going to be banged up a lot, as we are seeing now. Richardson will absolutely get playing time over his rookie deal. And if he plays well, the eagles can easily get a higher first rounder than 31 or whatever, with the dividend of having a top tier backup QB who doesn’t force you to change your entire run game.

That is 100% accurate.  And I can't figure out why they allowed it to the level they have... even encouraged it.  I don't get it.  I just don't.

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

I disagree. The run game was noticeably different, and the coaches reflected that concern by shying away from it.

More to the point, the organization places extreme value on the QB position. We’ve consistently brought in talent at QB even when our starter was established.

It was highly effective when they actually used it.   Different doesn't mean worse.  And they did shy away... that's an indictment of them not the running game.  It was working.  They got some really nice runs and then turned their back on it.  No rhyme or reason for it, even though it was clear that that was the Saints weakness.   Just a gross offensive game plan into the game, and then they struggled to adjust in game.  That game was 100% on the coaching staff's game plan/adjustments much more than the talent on the field.   You are correct that Minshew struggled.  But the coaches struggled much more.

23 minutes ago, TEW said:

I disagree. The run game was noticeably different, and the coaches reflected that concern by shying away from it.

More to the point, the organization places extreme value on the QB position. We’ve consistently brought in talent at QB even when our starter was established.

A running/mobile QB obviously helps the run game. I’ve been arguing that even in spite of people crowing about the run game’s success vs the Jets without Hurts.

The RBs had to work harder vs the Jets but still had a big game. Against Dallas the run game was bad (they dared us to pass) and against the Saints they didn’t really try until it was too late. 

That doesn’t mean the offense needs a running QB to be successful. It’s just going to look different. What you’re really seeing is the difference between a good quarterback and a bad one. Minshew didn’t even play well by starting QB standards and despite his popgun arm was able to move the ball easily against Dallas. The Jets game was similar. The Saints simply overwhelmed Minshew and the OL, and much of that was self-inflicted. 

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

The only part I don’t get is that the reason for the neutral site of the AFCCG is opportunity lost for all 3 teams, right? This is because Cincinnati very much was still in the hunt for the #1 seed.

Had the Bengals won that Monday night game against Buffalo where they were already leading, they’d have a tiebreaker over Buffalo and the same record. Yet if they meet in the playoffs, Buffalo is the home team regardless of how this weekend goes. How is that fair?

That isn't true. If the Bengals win and the Bills lose tomorrow, the Bengals will be the second seed and the Bills will be third. They would meet in Cincinnati if they face each other in that scenario.

If the Bills win tomorrow, they would get the home game. But that IS fair since they went into last week's game with the better record.

Well, the ugly truth of the roster this week is the Eagles need a P and a DE.  So which is better, elevating Jackson or activating Quinn.  I can easily see Robinson to IR and Quinn taking his spot and with Sweat inactive, Jackson being elevated.  Regardless, seems like Graham is going to see a bunch of reps.  

Signing Kern or gambling on Elliott as a spot punter?   If they IR Robinson and activate Quinn, assuming he is healthy enough, then the Opeta spot likely goes to Kern. I would be kind of surprised if CJGJ is activated this week.

if Hurts is active and starts, is Book active?  Right now the inactives are Lane, Maddox, Sweat,  Bradley and Robinson, if not on IR. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Pretty much. I think there is a really good chance we trade down as well.

I will say, I think we could see a shocker at 31 (or whatever it ends up being). A RB like Bijan Robinson assuming Sanders moves on would make a lot of sense.

I’ll also throw this curve ball out there: don’t be surprised if Howie takes a flyer on QB Anthony Richardson if he drops to our late first rounder. It’s clear to me that our entire offense gets disrupted without having a running threat at QB.

This is a running team built on that option action from the QB position and things just don’t work right without it.

We also know how highly the eagles value the QB position. Richardson has super star potential, but obviously needs work, so he’d be a good fit learning behind Hurts for his rookie year. We can get a few years of elite backup QB play out of him and then flip him for extra draft picks towards the end of his contract.

Nah he would need a contract by the time hurts is gone. Negates the advantage.

mariota makes sense. Or a mid round guy like the utah qb

cheap third rounder likely is the ideal

the suprise at 31 could be an OT

Damn. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Damn. 

This is a really big blow for us. He would have been a prime Eagles target. CB it is then.

I wonder how much money he got paid to stay at FSU. 

35 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well, the ugly truth of the roster this week is the Eagles need a P and a DE.  So which is better, elevating Jackson or activating Quinn.  I can easily see Robinson to IR and Quinn taking his spot and with Sweat inactive, Jackson being elevated.  Regardless, seems like Graham is going to see a bunch of reps.  

Signing Kern or gambling on Elliott as a spot punter?   If they IR Robinson and activate Quinn, assuming he is healthy enough, then the Opeta spot likely goes to Kern. I would be kind of surprised if CJGJ is activated this week.

if Hurts is active and starts, is Book active?  Right now the inactives are Lane, Maddox, Sweat,  Bradley and Robinson, if not on IR. 

I think punter is the biggest question mark right now.  They have plenty of edge guys with the Johnson's on the team.  I think Sweat is fine and plays.  

They need a punter.  If you have Elliott as spot punter, you're opening yourself up to a potential injury that then puts you out both punter and kicker.  Not that they would, but NYG would know that and could very well take a roughing the kicker penalty every punt if they know an injury to Elliott make takes away any FG or extra point let alone punting and KO.  Or the Eagles go in to it with just Elliott and they go for it on 4th more than usual. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is 100% accurate.  And I can't figure out why they allowed it to the level they have... even encouraged it.  I don't get it.  I just don't.

Because the coaches put him into that position by not designing and calling better plays to get the offense moving. I blamed Hurts but he wants to win and when things aren't there he does what he needs to. They called the same play twice last week. That's how unoriginal they are. They didn't disguise either.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 I think Sweat is fine and plays.  

He's been ruled out already.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Because the coaches put him into that position by not designing and calling better plays to get the offense moving. I blamed Hurts but he wants to win and when things aren't there he does what he needs to. They called the same play twice last week. That's how unoriginal they are.

Well, therein lies the question... WHY do they do that?    

 

And why did they think that they could just go with a QB sneak on 4th and a long one, as if Hurts was the QB?   Do they seriously not have any other short yardage plays available in the playbook?  Are they completely and totally dependent on QB sneaks now for short yardage plays?   .  Either they are incompetent, unimaginative, arrogant, lazy or stupid.  I'm hoping it is just arrogance.  They bet on the QB sneaks being effective due to the OL... and were shown its a little more complicated than that.  AND... they've gone to that well so much, that defenses are overplaying it so much... and lining up OFFSIDES.  An indictment on the officiating crews as well not to call them for neutral zone infractions on those plays. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

🤔. They were facing the 2nd best passing defense... and the 24th best rush defense.  So of course, they ignore the running game and push the passing agenda... for no particular reason.

This is inexplicable to me as well. I can understand not making wholesale changes to an offense when you expect the starter back in a couple games. I wouldn't call simply handing the ball off more often when playing a Quarterback who has no chemistry with your receivers a huge change.