You also have to look at the standout offensive players we’ve seen in Philly over the last 20 years:

Mcnabb, not exactly an elite passer, often struggled to play full seasons, never went 4,000 yards.

TO…short lived stint with a big injury.

Desean: not a complete WR.  Career here cut short by Chip.

Westbrook: put up some gaudy combined numbers, but always missed too many games.

Wentz: fell off a cliff and missed way too many games.

Mccoy: Holds rushing records, played on mostly passing teams.

Hurts: will rank highly on qb rushing stats, but still has a ways to go as a passer and must prove he can play full seasons to make any kid of run at passing totals.

Vick: missed too many games and couldn’t stick.

 

There is some pretty exceptional talent there, actually…far better than most nfl teams.  A common denominator for all of them is missing too many games.

McNabb had his short comings, but he did get screwed over by his lack of weapons. We have seen first hand what stud WRs and pass-catchers can do for a QB. It has helped turn Hurts from a below average player to an MVP level QB.

You give a young McNabb players like AJ/Smitty/Dallas, and he is a first ballot HOF'er.

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You keep arguing team stats. Mike and I are discussing individual stats. And we aren't arguing that it correlates to overall team success. We're simply stating that it's embarrassing/pathetic that a team that's been around for nearly 100 years hasn't had an individual WR hit 100 catches. It's embarrassing/pathetic because EVERY other team has done so, EXCEPT for the worst (maybe 2nd worst behind Detroit) franchise in the league. That's bad company to be in, irrespective of anything else. 

Well, then you and Mike need to understand that the individual stats are worthless.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, then you and Mike need to understand that the individual stats are worthless.

All we have been talking about, is AJ Brown breaking the Eagles single season receptions record is just not impressive, as it is one of two franchises who's record is not even 100 receptions.

Here is another comparison seeing as you brought up receiving yards, and the result of those seasons are damn near identical.

Our top 3 franchise receiving yardage seasons, compared to Justin Jefferson.  Justin Jefferson's 1st 3 seasons in the league are 700 yards better than the Eagles top 3 yardage seasons all time.

 

Eagles have multiple HOF at WR: Owens, Carmichael, Cris Carter, McDonald, etc. Don't really count Loften and Monk at the end of their careers.

When we finally won a SB, our best pass catcher was a TE.

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, then you and Mike need to understand that the individual stats are worthless.

Another non impressive record Eagles fans are gushing over.  Everyone is so impressed that we have a 1000 yard WR duo.

The Colts did that 4 times from 2004-2009, and 2004 they had ( 3 ) 1000 yard WR's.

Rams did that 6 times from 1999 - 2006.

 

 

Once again, it is not about winning or team, it just continues to confirm the fact that our franchise records on offense are not impressive, and not worth the fans gushing over.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles have multiple HOF at WR: Owens, Carmichael, Cris Carter, McDonald, etc. Don't really count Loften and Monk at the end of their careers.

When we finally won a SB, our best pass catcher was a TE.

Alshon was a stud that year. There’s no Super Bowl without him 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Oh yeah, missed that one when I was done.  Does that really make it that much better ??

Edited to add : The Titans single season leader is Derrick Mason with 96, I bet you could not even come close to guessing ( without google ) their second WR with 94 catches in 2013.

Wright?

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Alshon was a stud that year. There’s no Super Bowl without him 

So was Agholor, how did it work out for either of them going forward.

 

28 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

McNabb had his short comings, but he did get screwed over by his lack of weapons. We have seen first hand what stud WRs and pass-catchers can do for a QB. It has helped turn Hurts from a below average player to an MVP level QB.

You give a young McNabb players like AJ/Smitty/Dallas, and he is a first ballot HOF'er.

As good of a coach as Reid was here his decisions cost them at least 1 Super Bowl. Taking the tag off Trotter cost them a trip to play the Raiders because they beat Tampa with him on the field.

Not getting him at least one good WR for many years was another. It's another asinine move that defies logic when you fact in how much he threw the ball. Seriously, it makes no sense how he continued down that path as long as he did.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Why would you say it's pathetic?

Unless I'm mistaken, here is a list of the teams with a 100+ catch WR who have never won a Super Bowl:

BUF, CIN, HOU, JAX, LAC, DET, MIN, ATL, CAR, ARI

 

Also on the list of teams with a 100+ catch WR:

Miami -- no Super Bowls since 1973

NY Jets -- no Super Bowls since 1968

Dallas -- no Super Bowls since 1995

Raiders -- no Super Bowls since 1983

Washington -- no Super Bowls since 1991

Chicago -- no Super Bowls since 1985

San Francisco -- no Super Bowls since 1994

 

Perhaps this "having a WR get 100+ catches" doesn't actually mean anything in a team sport.

oh it means something  not having a 100 catch WR in a season EVER- just proves how bad our WR corps have been over the past 5 decades. 

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Wright?

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

oh it means something  not having a 100 catch WR in a season EVER- just proves how bad our WR corps have been over the past 9 decades. 

FYP

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So was Agholor, how did it work out for either of them going forward.

Agholor was good but he wasn’t the stud Alshon was. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

FYP

I didn't go back that far, because no one waqs catching 100 balls a year 6 decades ago. 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Agholor was good but he wasn’t the stud Alshon was. 

He did the same with less targets.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He did the same with less targets.

 

I don’t care what the stats say. My eyes said Alshon was the #1. He was doubled the whole second half of the Super Bowl 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The only reason I know that is because I had a lucky guess 😂

But really, I liked him in college and wanted the Eagles to take him (not in round 1). He had a "decent" career and I'm kinda surprised he fell of the map as early as he did. He was still a solid 3 at worst.

44 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

McNabb had his short comings, but he did get screwed over by his lack of weapons. We have seen first hand what stud WRs and pass-catchers can do for a QB. It has helped turn Hurts from a below average player to an MVP level QB.

You give a young McNabb players like AJ/Smitty/Dallas, and he is a first ballot HOF'er.

Might have wanted to get Wentz someone other than Travis Fulgham and Greg Ward while we’re at it. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

We've been talking about the Giants resting their starters for the playoffs in week 18. If the current playoff picture holds, there may be even more of a reason to rest. I haven't done the calculations yet, but is it possible for the Giants to win vs the Colts and still end up at the 7 seed? Or will they be locked in as the 6th seed?

If it is possible, I'd imagine they'd much rather play the Vikings, a team they almost beat, in the first round than having to go into San Fran. Could give them more motivation to loose week 18, if that possibility is real.

Giants win this week at worst they could be 9-7-1. No other team besides Washington could finish with the same record or better. Everyone else such as Seahawks, lions and packers can only be 9-8. Giants hold tie breaker over Washington so they are locked into the 6 seed if they win

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles have multiple HOF at WR: Owens, Carmichael, Cris Carter, McDonald, etc. Don't really count Loften and Monk at the end of their careers.

When we finally won a SB, our best pass catcher was a TE.

We had Owens for 2 seasons.... one he got hurt in and the other he was being an idiot

Chris Carter - only had him for a few seasons, and he wasn't fully developed until after we traded him. 

Alshon? He was good for one season here.  He dropped the pass that ended our playoffs in his second year here. 

DJax/ Maclin- decent WR's neither was a true number 1.

carmichael?  Went most of his years on a bad team with no QB. 

 

With Devonta and AJ we finally have 2 very good WR's ....

45 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

McNabb had his short comings, but he did get screwed over by his lack of weapons. We have seen first hand what stud WRs and pass-catchers can do for a QB. It has helped turn Hurts from a below average player to an MVP level QB.

You give a young McNabb players like AJ/Smitty/Dallas, and he is a first ballot HOF'er.

McNabb’s early career and the team were hampered by a lack of skill players at receiver. His last 5 seasons with the team he had good WRs. The early lack of investment in WR was inexcusable and baffling given how much Andy wanted to pass the ball. 

Before AJ Brown our last true WR1 has been Kevin Curtis

47 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

McNabb had his short comings, but he did get screwed over by his lack of weapons. We have seen first hand what stud WRs and pass-catchers can do for a QB. It has helped turn Hurts from a below average player to an MVP level QB.

You give a young McNabb players like AJ/Smitty/Dallas, and he is a first ballot HOF'er.

It’s pretty amazing we had the amount of success when you watch the how the nfl has changed to what it is now and we did it with Torrance smalls, Charles Johnson, Mitchell, thrash and pinkston as the core guys of the WR group until we got TO. I hated the Mitchell pick the moment they made it. I wanted Reggie Wayne from the U. Besides Mitchell’s 4th and 26, he ran his mouth better than his play.