1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Just been reading we might sign Mariota and let minshew goto the bucs

After this season they're not going to 'let' Minshew go anywhere. He's a free agent and the Eagles have nothing to say about it.

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is a really big blow for us. He would have been a prime Eagles target. CB it is then.

I was reminded about Foskey the other day… very productive.

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is a really big blow for us. He would have been a prime Eagles target. CB it is then.

That's why I try not to get my heart set on any particular draft target until after the season ends...  

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's why I try not to get my heart set on any particular draft target until after the season ends...  

Better to have loved and lost, then never to have loved at all.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Better to have loved and lost, then never to have loved at all.

poison-i want forget you

10 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

This is inexplicable to me as well. I can understand not making wholesale changes to an offense when you expect the starter back in a couple games. I wouldn't call simply handing the ball off more often when playing a Quarterback who has no chemistry with your receivers a huge change.

Maybe because handing it off didn't work the week before and throwing the ball did?

I am not sure how the playcalling is a problem when the qb had clean pockets and open receivers most of the time. No one was complaining about the offensive playcalling against the Cowboys. And if Minshew had only been mediocre, we win that game easily. I guess the coaches needed to anticipate that he would be completely awful?

I got a sneaky suspicion that tyrod taylor and the giants beat the eagles, taylor with his legs

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Maybe because handing it off didn't work the week before and throwing the ball did?

I am not sure how the playcalling is a problem when the qb had clean pockets and open receivers most of the time. No one was complaining about the offensive playcalling against the Cowboys. And if Minshew had only been mediocre, we win that game easily. I guess the coaches needed to anticipate that he would be completely awful?

It's almost like the opponent you play might matter when game planning.  Prey on your opponents weakness and don't attack their strength, when that strength is also a weakness of your own.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

🤔. Not sure I buy that.  What seemed to happen was that they ignored the running game against the Saints, and there's no logical explanation for it.  It was a straight up brain fart game by the offensive coaching staff.  There's no way to explain why they ignored the running game.  They had a backup QB, and backup RT (missing the RT that is always linked to success when he's on the field and linked to failures when he's on the sidelines).   They were facing the 2nd best passing defense... and the 24th best rush defense.  So of course, they ignore the running game and push the passing agenda... for no particular reason.

The explanation is the coaching staff does not have confidence in it without the threat of Hurts running. That’s kind of my point.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's almost like the opponent you play might matter when game planning.  Prey on your opponents weakness and don't attack their strength, when that strength is also a weakness of your own.

He can’t hear that.  He wants to trash Minshew as much as he can because he is a Hurts fan boy.

27 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He's been ruled out already.

Oh, didn't see that.  Hmmmm OK now it gets tricky. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is 100% accurate.  And I can't figure out why they allowed it to the level they have... even encouraged it.  I don't get it.  I just don't.

Because it’s effective. Very, very effective. He’s a MVP candidate for a reason.

And with only 17 games in a season, you play to win in all of them. This isn’t the MLB or NBA where you can strategically rest players.

That being the case, we need a backup QB who is a dual threat and can replicate what Hurts brings to the offense. The good news is that, like Hurts himself, athletic QBs with that need NFL coaching to fix flaws in their game can be had outside the top 10 in the draft.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was highly effective when they actually used it.   Different doesn't mean worse.  And they did shy away... that's an indictment of them not the running game.  It was working.  They got some really nice runs and then turned their back on it.  No rhyme or reason for it, even though it was clear that that was the Saints weakness.   Just a gross offensive game plan into the game, and then they struggled to adjust in game.  That game was 100% on the coaching staff's game plan/adjustments much more than the talent on the field.   You are correct that Minshew struggled.  But the coaches struggled much more.

I think it worked because they didn’t use it much. Basically, both sides knew the normal game plan of running 30 times between the QB and RBs wouldn’t work, and both sides adjusted.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's why I try not to get my heart set on any particular draft target until after the season ends...  

My new strategy is to not get set on any draft targets and then to rationalize whomever we end up with.

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

The explanation is the coaching staff does not have confidence in it without the threat of Hurts running. That’s kind of my point.

We have Stoutland, who has been churning out great running games in Philly for the better part of a decade. I don’t think they’ve lost confidence in him to devise a run game without a mobile QB. 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Maybe because handing it off didn't work the week before and throwing the ball did?

I am not sure how the playcalling is a problem when the qb had clean pockets and open receivers most of the time. No one was complaining about the offensive playcalling against the Cowboys. And if Minshew had only been mediocre, we win that game easily. I guess the coaches needed to anticipate that he would be completely awful?

In fairness to Minshew, the O-line wasn’t very good the first several series. The pocket was collapsing and Minshew was hit several times.   Just about any QB when put in that position initially will tend to get rattled.  So when the O-line eventually started performing better, Minshew was still a little off.  He made some very good plays during the game but it wasn’t enough. 

10 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

I got a sneaky suspicion that tyrod taylor and the giants beat the eagles, taylor with his legs

This.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

A running/mobile QB obviously helps the run game. I’ve been arguing that even in spite of people crowing about the run game’s success vs the Jets without Hurts.

The RBs had to work harder vs the Jets but still had a big game. Against Dallas the run game was bad (they dared us to pass) and against the Saints they didn’t really try until it was too late. 

That doesn’t mean the offense needs a running QB to be successful. It’s just going to look different. What you’re really seeing is the difference between a good quarterback and a bad one. Minshew didn’t even play well by starting QB standards and despite his popgun arm was able to move the ball easily against Dallas. The Jets game was similar. The Saints simply overwhelmed Minshew and the OL, and much of that was self-inflicted. 

I think we need a QB who can run in order for our offense to be at its best. That’s what we are — a running team that combines a great OL with QB options. That’s our bread and butter. We shouldn’t give up the most effective aspect of our offense, upon which nearly everything else is based, because our QB gets hurt.

We very much tend to pass first to build the lead and then run to salt the game away. We’ve had a bunch of games where Hurts got off to slow starts even against bad run defenses. 

56 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah he would need a contract by the time hurts is gone. Negates the advantage.

mariota makes sense. Or a mid round guy like the utah qb

cheap third rounder likely is the ideal

the suprise at 31 could be an OT

I’d be looking to flip him. You get 5 years in a first round contract.

Year 1: learning year, maybe even QB3

year 2-4: best backup QB in the NFL

Then you flip him. And you probably get a higher first rounder because people will pay anything for a top QB.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I think we need a QB who can run in order for our offense to be at its best. That’s what we are — a running team that combines a great OL with QB options. That’s our bread and butter. We shouldn’t give up the most effective aspect of our offense, upon which nearly everything else is based, because our QB gets hurt.

Yes, having a QB who can effectively run and pass the ball is a good thing. That’s common sense. 

Where I disagree is that we "need” it or should commit a first-round pick to one who can do it. 

Stoutland has spearheaded a lot of great running games without a running threat at QB like Hurts. Sirianni was OC for a pretty efficient offense that had a statue at QB. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We have Stoutland, who has been churning out great running games in Philly for the better part of a decade. I don’t think they’ve lost confidence in him to devise a run game without a mobile QB. 

But the play calling suggests otherwise. Just think of it — when our starting QB went down, we started running less.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I’d be looking to flip him. You get 5 years in a first round contract.

Year 1: learning year, maybe even QB3

year 2-4: best backup QB in the NFL

Then you flip him. And you probably get a higher first rounder because people will pay anything for a top QB.

Wouldn’t we need him to be our QB in 5 years if he were a top QB?

We're a top 3 offense because Jalen is a good runner & passer.

This offense can still be top 10 if the backup QB is just a competent passer. The problem was Minshew was neither a good runner, not passer vs. the Saints. This offense would also function with Mariota, but it would resemble what the Falcons do.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

But the play calling suggests otherwise. Just think of it — when our starting QB went down, we started running less.

Our philosophy is to pass first, even with Hurts this year.