1 minute ago, RLC said:

This.

TBF, it is what happened before he got hurt and we signed a HOFamer and a very solid pro.

We should also not resign Hargrave OR Cox. Let them both walk and take the comp picks. Howie will resign one of them, because that's what he does.

Suh is not a HOFer. He’s got an outside chance at it, but very few DTs are in, and Donald has clearly been the best of this era.

50 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I don't mind giving JD low snaps with him coming off a high ankle sprain. The guys in front of him are playing well enough that they don't have to rush him back. Next year will be more telling when they're (most likely) not back.

His high before the injury was 42% at 29 snaps against the Cardinals in week 5.  He came back in week 13 and played 6 games post ankle sprain.  Now keep in mind the Eagles also brought in Suh and Joseph at that time.  Also important to know that more than 2 DT are on the field at once given the scheme so there are snaps to be had.

He played the following number of snaps from week 13 on.

Week 13- 6

Week 14- 15

Week 15- 14

Week 16- 9

Week 17- 18

Week 18- 8

The Eagles played 1,096 defense plays this year.  Marcus Epps didn't miss a single snap.

The Eagles averaged 65 snaps on defense per game.

Jordan Davis played 224 snaps which comes out to 3.5 full games. If you take out his games missed by injury, Davis played 17 snaps per game or 26%. This is why I was 100% against trading up for Davis.  You're trading up for a guy who AT BEST is going to play 50% of the snaps and that's a push.  The Eagles traded 4 picks to get Davis.  If you're investing that many picks and moving up in the draft, I want a guy who's on the field as much as possible.

The strange thing about Davis is that he looks good when he's on the field. He never gets pushed around and even if he doesn't make a tackle, he influences plays. He only played 8 snaps yesterday, but he flashed on one play. For some reason the coaches don't trust him, because he doesn't look like he's having any physical problems when he's out there.

Jordan Davis hasn't needed to play many snaps; and as a fairly raw player (regardless of draft position), he has had time to develop and refine his game in the background.  Does there need to be a leap from him from Year 1 to Year 2?  100%.  A bit of patience in needed

10 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Mcnabb’s career was a tale of 2 tapes. 2000-2004 he was a dramatically more reliable player than 2005-2009.

Once the injuries and the dirt balls started, our SB chances went downhill. 2008 was fun, but I still can’t believe how badly 2009 ended

McNabb always had the dirt balls.  What happened was he lost Chad Lewis, Hero to Worms Everywhere.  Man could contort and catch balls an inch from the ground better than any player I have ever seen.  Westbrook was pretty good at that too. 

I didn't happen to notice any, but was there any national outrage at the Giants decision to insert a third string quarterback into a season finale that meant nothing to them against a division rival that was in position to win the division while at the same time another division rival was hoping for them to actually win the game? Maybe it's just me, but I seem to recall something similar happening fairly recently that drew the ire of everyone in creation. It'd be nice if there was some consistency in outrages.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

McNabb always had the dirt balls.  What happened was he lost Chad Lewis, Hero to Worms Everywhere.  Man could contort and catch balls an inch from the ground better than any player I have ever seen.  Westbrook was pretty good at that too. 

Jason Avant said he bought a jugs machine and had it set to throw balls low to the ground so he could practice catching them.

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Who’s HOF level?

You dont think Suh is going to the HOF? 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

You dont think Suh is going to the HOF? 

No. 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

You dont think Suh is going to the HOF? 

He’s got 3 first team all-pro, 2 2nd team all pro, and 71 sacks as an interior defensive lineman.

I think he’ll be one of those guys who gets in after being on the card for like 18 years

22 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think you are viewing this through green-tinted glasses. Our current LBs have been serviceable at best and are the weakest unit on the defense. I would have hoped for more snaps out of Davis.

"Servicable" is a huge step up from what we've seen and Id say there are few NFL teams getting substantially better LB play than we are at this point.  I dont love TJ or Kyzir, but theyre not getting routinely exposed and they have years in the NFL on Dean.  

And yes I would have hoped for more snaps from Davis for sure.  But he got dinged up and clearly they didnt want to rely on him anchoring the entire DT group. 

I just don't see this as a major concern right now, I think its a strength to have reliable depth and neither of those guys have looked out of place on an NFL football field to me.

 

Sorry if been asked. But are we full strength in 2 weeks?

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Jordan Davis played 224 snaps which comes out to 3.5 full games. If you take out his games missed by injury, Davis played 17 snaps per game or 26%. This is why I was 100% against trading up for Davis.  You're trading up for a guy who AT BEST is going to play 50% of the snaps and that's a push.  The Eagles traded 4 picks to get Davis.  If you're investing that many picks and moving up in the draft, I want a guy who's on the field as much as possible.

Hargrave/Cox are playing about 65% of the snaps, if JD gets LJ's snaps next season that will push his number into the 60s (which is comparable to Vita Vea).  If you want to draft based on snap count, we should be seriously thinking about taking LBs and Ss in the 1st - but we know how that works.  In any case, a starting NT gets the snaps/has the role worth the pick... JD just needs to get on the field.

19 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Suh is not a HOFer. He’s got an outside chance at it, but very few DTs are in, and Donald has clearly been the best of this era.

What??? He is absolutely a HOF player 

Rookie of the year, 3X 1st team All Pro, 2X 2nd team All Pro, 5 Pro Bowls, was in the NFLs 2010s All Decade Team.  

He's going to the Hall 

Just now, uncphillyfan said:

Sorry if been asked. But are we full strength in 2 weeks?

No, Derek Barnett will still not be available to save our season

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

No, Derek Barnett will still not be available to save our season

Damn!

Sirianni has been juvenile in comments to reporters about Hurts’ injury for weeks. But reading between the lines: My guess is that his comments about Jalen being "really sole” and "really hurting” are overblown and gamesmanship. We are supposed to believe that Sirianni, who refused to announce on Friday that Hurts would be starting, is being honest about Hurts’ injury status post game? There’s no advantage to telling reporters that Hurts is feeling pain, other than to stroke Jalen’s ego and maybe get the divisional round opponent to think Hurts will be limited. 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What??? He is absolutely a HOF player 

Rookie of the year, 3X 1st team All Pro, 2X 2nd team All Pro, 5 Pro Bowls, was in the NFLs 2010s All Decade Team.  

He's going to the Hall 

DTs don’t put up the stats to get in. There’s only 13 DTs in, with the most recent being Sapp. Before that you had John Randle and Cortez Kennedy. 
 

Kevin Williams has similar numbers to Suh, with more All Pros (5 first team to Suh’s 3). 
 

Suh has 71.5 sacks in 191 games. Geno Atkins had 75.5 in 134. 
 

Suh has DROY, which the other two don’t. 
 

Of course, Aaron Donald looms so large over everybody else in this era. Maybe Suh gets in like 10-15 years down the road, but I don’t think he does

16 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Hargrave/Cox are playing about 65% of the snaps, if JD gets LJ's snaps next season that will push his number into the 60s (which is comparable to Vita Vea).  If you want to draft based on snap count, we should be seriously thinking about taking LBs and Ss in the 1st - but we know how that works.  In any case, a starting NT gets the snaps/has the role worth the pick... JD just needs to get on the field.

I don't see JD ever playing 60% of the snaps.  That was a big talking point during the draft process.  He only played 37% (155) of the snaps last year at Georgia.  He also had the weight issues there so that comes in to play as he was often gassed. 

You knew Fletcher Cox was going to be on the field and disruptive when he was drafted.  As a rookie, the lowest snap count % for Cox was 31% and his highest was 72%. Fletcher Cox played 509 snaps as a rookie and that's with him getting injured in 1 (5 snaps) and being inactive in another.  So essentially, Cox played 509 snaps in 15 games or 33 snaps per game, essentially double of what Davis played as a rookie.  He was taken 12th, Davis 13th.

Fletcher Cox was active and disruptive at MSU.  Davis was big and overpowering at UGA.   Much different players.  I just didn't like the investment in Davis.  Hopefully he proves me wrong in year 2.  I was also anti-DeVonta Smith and he's my favorite player on the team now.

I have to say that I was happy we were prepared for all the giants "trick plays". I can't say I'm excited that we couldn't get the sack record against backups.

13 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

Sirianni has been juvenile in comments to reporters about Hurts’ injury for weeks. But reading between the lines: My guess is that his comments about Jalen being "really sole” and "really hurting” are overblown and gamesmanship. We are supposed to believe that Sirianni, who refused to announce on Friday that Hurts would be starting, is being honest about Hurts’ injury status post game? There’s no advantage to telling reporters that Hurts is feeling pain, other than to stroke Jalen’s ego and maybe get the divisional round opponent to think Hurts will be limited. 

Hurts gave his own PC and didn't describe himself anywhere near 100% either.

20 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

Sorry if been asked. But are we full strength in 2 weeks?

Maddox seems unlikely, and Lane will play but probably not near 100%.  Hurts might also be in the Lane category.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

DTs don’t put up the stats to get in. There’s only 13 DTs in, with the most recent being Sapp. Before that you had John Randle and Cortez Kennedy. 
 

Kevin Williams has similar numbers to Suh, with more All Pros (5 first team to Suh’s 3). 
 

Suh has 71.5 sacks in 191 games. Geno Atkins had 75.5 in 134. 
 

Suh has DROY, which the other two don’t. 
 

Of course, Aaron Donald looms so large over everybody else in this era. Maybe Suh gets in like 10-15 years down the road, but I don’t think he does

Set stats aside, Suh had an absolute impact on the league and was the best player at his position for at least 3-4 seasons.  Hes going to the HOF

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts gave his own PC and didn't describe himself anywhere near 100% either.

Meh

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts gave his own PC and didn't describe himself anywhere near 100% either.

I watched Hurt's press conference, I dont know what to make of it, several times he was answering questions with an attitude,  things like "i played"  or he would add this to his answers "is that what you want me to say?" AT times he was kind of standoffish.