1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

His snap count was pretty low before the high ankle sprain as well, and there weren't any guys in front of him.  A bit disappointing.   I'm not burying the guy, but he clearly has a lot of work ahead of him for this up coming offseason.

I think what it comes down to is with the elevated LB play this season (especially compared to last season)  they seem comfortable with the inside guys on the DL focusing more on pass rushing/getting after the QB vs run stopping.

  Both are important for a DT but if you have LB’s that can also handle run stopping on a high level, then that can free up your DT’s to go after the QB.  (Hargrave & Cox)   They also signed both Suh and Joseph, who are two standout veterans with decades of (high level) experience  between the both of them when Davis was out.  Milton Williams has also stepped up his game this year. 

So  basically it’s a perfect storm of events that has a primarily run - stopping, rookie DT, taking less snaps.  

With guys like Cox/Hargrave/Suh/Joseph/Williams ahead of him on the depth chart (based on their current schemes), Davis getting less snaps has almost everything to do with the guys that are ahead of him playing at a high level/scheme fit with the LB’s also playing at a higher level/scheme fit and much less to do with his actual development. 
 

Just an educated guess on my part. 

 

45 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Jordan Davis hasn't needed to play many snaps; and as a fairly raw player (regardless of draft position), he has had time to develop and refine his game in the background.  Does there need to be a leap from him from Year 1 to Year 2?  100%.  A bit of patience in needed

the last thing I will do , will be to completely judge Davis off his rookie year where he got injured and missed games. AT times when he played he made a difference. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I watched Hurt's press conference, I dont know what to make of it, several times he was answering questions with an attitude,  things like "i played"  or he would add this to his answers "is that what you want me to say?" AT times he was kind of standoffish.  

He doesn’t give much in his press conferences other than cliches. I’m sure he’s being somewhat truthful, but anyone expecting him or Sirianni to publicly give an accurate and detailed assessment of the shoulder are kidding themselves. 

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Set stats aside, Suh had an absolute impact on the league and was the best player at his position for at least 3-4 seasons.  Hes going to the HOF

Well you can’t just set stats aside, because as I pointed out his contemporaries have better or just as good resumes and they aren’t getting in. 
 

Kevin Williams had 5 first team APs (Suh has 3 and two 2nd team AP). So Williams was the "best at his position” for 5 years. He’s not getting in. I don’t think Pro Bowls mean squat for HOF voting, but Suh has 5 to Williams 6.

Geno Atkins has 2 first team AP and 8 PB. He’s also not getting in. 
 

Cox is up there as well as far as contemporaries go, and he’s not getting in the HOF either. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

the last thing I will do , will be to completely judge Davis off his rookie year where he got injured and missed games. AT times when he played he made a difference. 

I wouldn't say people are judging but I think it's OK to voice concern over things that were discussed leading up to the draft.  

The other side of the argument is that it's a passing league.  Is it worth trading 4 draft picks to move up for a guy who when he makes a difference, it's in the running game?  I'd prefer disruption in the passing game.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For fun I figured I'd throw out the question of the ideal matchups and who you think it will end up being for the Eagles to get to the Super Bowl... and win it.

 

Obviously, the first game has to be between Seahawks, Giants, Cowboys and Bucs.  Who do you prefer?

After that it gets more crazy... the only team that couldn't end up facing the Eagles in the NFCCG is the Seahawks.  Who would you prefer to see, and how likely do you think it would be?

Super Bowl matchup... all 7 AFC opponents are possible, but not all 7 are likely.  I don't see the Dolphins navigating their way through that gauntlet.

 

Anyway, my answers:  Seahawks are my preference, for obvious reasons, but I doubt very much that they find a way to beat the 49ers, even with Purdy.  Which means I think the most likely scenario is facing the Giants... again.  This is something that I would rather not do.  Familiarity being the concern.  Of the more likely scenarios, my preference would be to matchup against the Bucs for some revenge of last year's playoffs.  That means that the first round has to follow the chalk.  Home teams win.  I'm not sure if the Bucs would actually be favored over the Boys, but frankly, I don't see why they shouldn't be.  Records aside... Dallas has really struggled against the Bucs and Brady has owned the Cowboys in his career.  Plus, its the Cowboys... in January.  We know how that script works.   They will be overrated by Vegas, because they will be overrated by the bettors... then they will flop.

 

Round 2 - Best matchup for the Eagles is likely the Vikings.  Can they go into SF and beat the 49ers?  I think it's possible.   So, that follows the 2017 breakdown... NFC South opponent in Round 1, take advantage of an opponent after playing a tight physical game... and the travel would be considerable for Minnesota.  And we matched up with Minnesota in 2017 for the NFCCG.  Will any Vikings faithful come here like morons again?  

 

SB - Best matchup would obviously be the Dolphins.  After that, the field tightens.  KC, Bengals and Bills are clearly the head of the class over there.  And it will likely be one of those 3.  Bills seem to be the one that stands out to me right now as who it will end up being... which does follow 2017 a little bit... matching up with another AFC East opponent.  The Bills being the preference as well, because while Josh Allen can make every throw in the game, and can escape... he is also prone to make some mistakes.  That would be the recipe for winning that game.  He's more mistake prone than Mahomes or Burrow, IMO.  The Bengals might be the better matchup given their OL concerns.  Needless to say, I am not sure the Eagles would be favored in a SB Matchup with any of those 3.

 

So... Bucs, Vikings, Bills.   To me, this is the combination of the most likely/preferred matchups to the SB.

It's Giants, Vikings, Bills for me.

For the NFC games I'd prefer to face the lesser passing attacks, Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins. Brady and Evans would drop 40 on this defense, we've already seen dak drop 30+, terrified of what deebo, CMC, and aiyuk would do to this defense.

I do see the issue of familiarity with the offense going against the giants D, but I think the bucs would fare well against our O also (almost anyone would based on the last month). The O is such a big question mark right now it's hard to predict, which makes this such a fun question. I think with our weakened O we can still edge out the giants and possibly vikings.

I think bills or chief smake it all the way. Out of the 2 I'd rather see the bills because I think the two fanbases would be a lot of fun leading up to the game. I have no football related reason because I thoroughly believe either of those two teams would push our ish all the way in

Tl;Dr the past few weeks have made me cynical but giants Vikings Bills. 

12 hours ago, devpool said:

So if you're Howie, what are you looking at for a possible hurts extension? This is the second year in a row he's missed time, and it obviously has a negative impact on the team. Are you willing you give up 40-50 mil for a guy who seems pretty likely to miss games based on his style of play?

Sure -- as long as I can get out of it after 2 years with little or no dead money.

31 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

Sirianni has been juvenile in comments to reporters about Hurts’ injury for weeks. But reading between the lines: My guess is that his comments about Jalen being "really sole” and "really hurting” are overblown and gamesmanship. We are supposed to believe that Sirianni, who refused to announce on Friday that Hurts would be starting, is being honest about Hurts’ injury status post game? There’s no advantage to telling reporters that Hurts is feeling pain, other than to stroke Jalen’s ego and maybe get the divisional round opponent to think Hurts will be limited. 

Where is the "juvenile”part?

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Where is the "juvenile”part?

Making a song and dance about Jalen "healing faster than normal people” ; Jalen being able to heal faster than beat reporters; etc, rather than just saying "he’s limited and day to day and working to get better.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wouldn't say people are judging but I think it's OK to voice concern over things that were discussed leading up to the draft.  

The other side of the argument is that it's a passing league.  Is it worth trading 4 draft picks to move up for a guy who when he makes a difference, it's in the running game?  I'd prefer disruption in the passing game.

Interestingly enough, the more defenses play a light box 2-high shell, the more important the run game will be to sustain drives.

32 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

He doesn’t give much in his press conferences other than cliches. I’m sure he’s being somewhat truthful, but anyone expecting him or Sirianni to publicly give an accurate and detailed assessment of the shoulder are kidding themselves. 

The thing he did state was that he was trying to protect himself. 

I am concerned for the playoffs if thats the way Jalen will have to play- we lose much of our game - this is always one of my concerns with a QB whose game is dependednt on his legs. 

Jalen made huge strides throwing the ball this season, but you could see yesterday that a defense that blitzes the crap out of him will have a negative effect with limited use of his legs

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

His high before the injury was 42% at 29 snaps against the Cardinals in week 5.  He came back in week 13 and played 6 games post ankle sprain.  Now keep in mind the Eagles also brought in Suh and Joseph at that time.  Also important to know that more than 2 DT are on the field at once given the scheme so there are snaps to be had.

He played the following number of snaps from week 13 on.

Week 13- 6

Week 14- 15

Week 15- 14

Week 16- 9

Week 17- 18

Week 18- 8

The Eagles played 1,096 defense plays this year.  Marcus Epps didn't miss a single snap.

The Eagles averaged 65 snaps on defense per game.

Jordan Davis played 224 snaps which comes out to 3.5 full games. If you take out his games missed by injury, Davis played 17 snaps per game or 26%. This is why I was 100% against trading up for Davis.  You're trading up for a guy who AT BEST is going to play 50% of the snaps and that's a push.  The Eagles traded 4 picks to get Davis.  If you're investing that many picks and moving up in the draft, I want a guy who's on the field as much as possible.

100% with you on this. Exactly why I was never for trading up for Davis either. That was a lot of picks to give up for a guy who had question marks on technique and conditioning. 

I'm sure this has been discussed in here some and I missed it, but can we please find another punter?  Kern has sucked - his punts go like 30 yards, and it takes him FOREVER to get them off.  Could easily see one getting blocked in the postseason.  

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wouldn't say people are judging but I think it's OK to voice concern over things that were discussed leading up to the draft.  

The other side of the argument is that it's a passing league.  Is it worth trading 4 draft picks to move up for a guy who when he makes a difference, it's in the running game?  I'd prefer disruption in the passing game.

Being good on early downs earns you the right to go pass rush on 3rd down. Stopping the run is still a very integral part of a winning philosphy

4 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I'm sure this has been discussed in here some and I missed it, but can we please find another punter?  Kern has sucked - his punts go like 30 yards, and it takes him FOREVER to get them off.  Could easily see one getting blocked in the postseason.  

Been saying this for a couple of weeks now. His motion is way too slow and it's going to cost them. 

4 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

Making a song and dance about Jalen "healing faster than normal people” ; Jalen being able to heal faster than beat reporters; etc, rather than just saying "he’s limited and day to day and working to get better.

I think they say both but the "he’s a freak/heals faster” parts tend to stick out because they are positive/light hearted comments that make a "bad situation” easier to absorb for the ”die hard” Eagles fans and media.  
 

Had they come out and just said, "Hurts is in a lot of pain.  We have no idea when he’s going to be able to play.”  This town would have had a near meltdown.  It’s all the media and fans would be talking about for weeks, very distracting, etc. 

If I were Detroit, this offseason I’d go all out for pass rush. Hargrave, Yannick, Da’Ron Payne, Lorenzo Carter, Melvin Ingram

That exact team with a dominant pass rush is a 12+ win team in the NFC, particularly if Rodgers isn’t back

Patience is needed with Jordan Davis, and really with any rookie. If you had expectations of him having a serious impact or taking away snaps from Cox and Hargrave, that’s on you for having too high of expectations. Year 2 he’ll need to step and show he’s capable of being a starter, but we all knew he wasn’t going to start this year. It’s like being upset Jurgens didn’t have that many snaps this year. We drafted these guys to be eventual replacements, not immediate impact guys. 

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The thing he did state was that he was trying to protect himself. 

I am concerned for the playoffs if thats the way Jalen will have to play- we lose much of our game - this is always one of my concerns with a QB whose game is dependednt on his legs. 

Jalen made huge strides throwing the ball this season, but you could see yesterday that a defense that blitzes the crap out of him will have a negative affect with limited use of his legs

I think he was likely under some instruction not to take hits and risk aggravating the injury before the playoffs.

Once the playoffs start I suspect he will be free to go all-out; there's lots of time to heal up after the season.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wouldn't say people are judging but I think it's OK to voice concern over things that were discussed leading up to the draft.  

The other side of the argument is that it's a passing league.  Is it worth trading 4 draft picks to move up for a guy who when he makes a difference, it's in the running game?  I'd prefer disruption in the passing game.

Hold up. The defense completely fell apart when Davis went out injured. They were unable to stop the run at all, the LBs suddenly looked bad and it resulted in long, unstoppable drives and kept the offense off the field too. Then they went out and got Joseph and it immediately fixed the problem. A good NT is crucial to this defense and Joseph is still a damn good NT.

In terms of value, okay yeah a purely run stuffing NT isn't good value at pick #13 overall. If that's all Davis ever is then sure, as important of a piece as it is, you could acquire that piece far more cheaply. But it's just his rookie season. Lets see the development. If I recall, they were just starting to experiment with him in 4 man fronts (and pass rushing) when he got injured. Then they went and got Joseph and Suh, in addition to having Hargrave and Cox (and Milton is playing much better). That's a lot of very good players that need snaps. I'm not concerned yet. He has a great vet to learn from in Jospeh too. If we get half way through next season and there's no improvement in pass rushing, then okay yeah, that would be more concerning.

22 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Not really. The Bucs are bad. I'm not saying the Cowboys are a lock to win the game, but they have to be favored by a decent amount.

The fact that they are only favored by 3 tells me Vegas doesn't have confidence in Dallas.  

5 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

If I were Detroit, this offseason I’d go all out for pass rush. Hargrave, Yannick, Da’Ron Payne, Lorenzo Carter, Melvin Ingram

That exact team with a dominant pass rush is a 12+ win team in the NFC, particularly if Rodgers isn’t back

Or get a QB who is functional on the road.  Goff was great at home, and invisible on the road.

Home 23 TD's v 3 interceptions

Road 6 TD's v 4 interceptions 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The fact that they are only favored by 3 tells me Vegas doesn't have confidence in Dallas.  

Hard to bet against Brady in the postseason 

Adrian Wilson next GM

Is that twitter video of Lane dancing recent from last night or is it old?