3 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Hurts will be fine. They held him back in this game.

He will be 5 weeks removed from the sprain when they play again.

I agree…I’m more worried about his timing being off than his health.  

9 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

TCU ran into a buzzsaw.

UGA woke up after that OSU game.

Just like OSU woke up after the Michigan game. Alabama should’ve been the other team.  I think the championship game would’ve looked similar if either Alabama or OSU was playing TCU

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are correct.

I have a very good friend over here who is from Kansas. He is a huge Jayhawks fan and went there. Both basketball and football. His family has had season tix to Jayhawks football for 50 years or something like that. Six or seven years back he was adamant about the fact that players would need to get paid openly. I told him that would significantly change the game for the worse forever. Both of us were right I am afraid. 

College sports is just a joke anymore.  The whole system needs destroyed and they need to start over.  If the NCAA doesnt do it voluntarily--and they won't---it will inevitably collapse.

This gap between the haves and have-nots will only get wider and wider until there are a handful of programs that can compete and everyone else is amateur level.  

Who the hell wants to watch that?  All respect to Georgia, but really who gives a ish?  Congrats, you beat the other 4 teams who could win in it all.  I wonder which of those 5 teams will win it next year, and the year after that.

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I have a very good friend over here who is from Kansas. He is a huge Jayhawks fan and went there. Both basketball and football. His family has had season tix to Jayhawks football for 50 years or something like that. Six or seven years back he was adamant about the fact that players would need to get paid openly. I told him that would significantly change the game for the worse forever. Both of us were right I am afraid. 

They were being paid.  The argument could be made that they should be paid more, but the lack of limits on the NILs and not standardizing the payments across the board means that the rich get richer and the weak get weaker.   No parity across the sports landscape.  And... what we get as a result is what we see now... mega-conferences, which could be likened to the corporate monopolization that happened in the late 1800s and the consolidation of power in the hands of very few.  The mega-conference of the Big Ten and the SEC, starting in 2024... and likely expanding after that, isn't that different from the formation of Standard Oil or US Steel.

I think the transfer portal has done every bit as much damage as NIL.

When you sign to play for a team, they should make you play for 2 years and the only exception is if the coaching staff leaves.   Other than that, youre ineligible until that 2 years is up.

Its getting totally out of control where its like free agency with tampering, the rules are totally arbitrary and honestly, Im not sure how a coach is supposed to grow his program anymore. 

I used to feel bad for the players and took their side over the coaches and administration, but this is chaos.  Its totally unsustainable 

The Super Bowl last year would have ended up differently if KC or Buffalo played the Rams, but it ended up how it ended up.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think the transfer portal has done every bit as much damage as NIL.

When you sign to play for a team, they should make you play for 2 years and the only exception is if the coaching staff leaves.   Other than that, youre ineligible until that 2 years is up.

Its getting totally out of control where its like free agency with tampering, the rules are totally arbitrary and honestly, Im not sure how a coach is supposed to grow his program anymore. 

I used to feel bad for the players and took their side over the coaches and administration, but this is chaos.  Its totally unsustainable 

Yep, transfer portal and NIL have killed what college football was.  Add to that the mega conference stuff and it's not going to be the same sport ever again.  I still love college football but boy, it sure isn't what it was.  Sad to think about it.  

The NCAA had a big problem with the revenues they generate and those who do the work for it, not being being compensated for it - and if they tried, they were punished. One can argue that the NCAA needs to be replaced with something that encourage more consistent competition and have less reliance on bribing smaller Colleges to play to be a stat on the record.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yep, transfer portal and NIL have killed what college football was.  Add to that the mega conference stuff and it's not going to be the same sport ever again.  I still love college football but boy, it sure isn't what it was.  Sad to think about it.  

They were the final blows... the erosion began long before that... really with the institution of the BCS, which gave preference to the 'power conferences'.  If you were a team that was outside those power conferences, you had no shot, legitimately.  That eroded what the bowl games represented... such as the Rose Bowl was traditionally the Big Ten conference winner against the Pac Ten winner.  But, that was gone.  The Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl... all lost their meaning as well.  Then the rest of the bowl games lost their meaning as well. 

That forced teams to try to get into the power conferences... teams jumped from what had been a strong conference to stronger conferences and it just all collapsed.  The Big East was always a great basketball conference, but also had a great football history with the likes of Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, etc.   Then they jumped to the ACC, because they couldn't get into the SEC.  BUT.. that seems to have just prolonged their demise.  The SEC continues to grow, as it brought in Texas A&M and expanded into the maelstrom of Texas college football... and now will be bringing in the biggest fish... Texas, and to a lesser extent Oklahoma.  The Pac-10 tried to stay relevant, but geographically, didn't have much reach for top programs... they expanded to 10 with ASU and Arizona from the 8 teams they had been.  Then adding Utah and Colorado was something... but not much of anything as they became the Pac-12.  Now their biggest fish and biggest market is being stolen by the Big "TEN" (something very wrong about a conference of colleges that can't count past the number 10 properly).  

14, 16, 18 team conferences?   It's just too big.   If you can't play all the teams in your conference, that's a problem.  And there's no longer the geographical rivalries.  Once upon a time, the Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry was a great one.  Then Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten.  They almost never play each other anymore... and that really started to be degraded when the Big Eight became the Big 12... they were placed in different divisions and didn't always match up.  The erosion we are seeing now started with the cracks formed in the early-mid 1990s.  The cracks have only grown since then.

Ironically, if they had just gone to a traditional 'playoff' of 16 teams, like the DI-AA division does, a lot of this, if not all of this, might have been avoided.   The college basketball landscape, despite the football situation seems to be as strong as ever, though a split of Duke-UNC into separate conferences (possible, given the football landscape) might be a devastating result.

20 hours ago, mattwill said:

Who would we play in that scenario?

Yup!

He and a bunch of other gone but not forgottens

-Triumph-

Allez_Aigles

ChickenSamwich

Couch Potato

dawkins20

Double

Dragon_Eagle

Fansincebirth

Flying Dutchman

frankfurtler

Gang Green 56

ghor50

Hank_TheBody_Fraley

HughDawg

John_C

Lockdown Lito

mcud

mrmulti

novascotianeaglesfan

obedt

PhillyPhreak54

rhinoddd50

sarasotaphil

shlynch

SidFarkus

StevieLeftCollege

swamistubbs

The_Sounds_of_Philadelphia

v-rod

Veejer

winsbbeforeidie

 

Blast from the past there. Great recollection. I miss discussing football with ghor. He was a good one. 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

IF that doesnt show you how dumb college football is, I'm not sure what does.

College Football is fantastic.  The only issue this year is an inferior TCU team figured out how to get into the title game.

53 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I have a very good friend over here who is from Kansas. He is a huge Jayhawks fan and went there. Both basketball and football. His family has had season tix to Jayhawks football for 50 years or something like that. Six or seven years back he was adamant about the fact that players would need to get paid openly. I told him that would significantly change the game for the worse forever. Both of us were right I am afraid. 

I am not sure how the game has changed for the worse.  If anything, money has the chance of creating more competitive balance for teams.  Universities should focus on the business aspect of the sport and work to incorporate into a curriculum.  

This is why Scripps Spelling Bee remains king of the academic athletic competitions. 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

College Football is fantastic.  The only issue this year is an inferior TCU team figured out how to get into the title game.

College football for about 8 teams is fantastic. For the rest of the country its chaotic and frustrating and impossible to manage or follow.

Im old enough to remember having favorite college football players from 1 year to the next.   Anyone remember that??

 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Im old enough to remember having favorite college football players from 1 year to the next.   Anyone remember that??

 

I am a draft nerd, have no issue following players.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

College football for about 8 teams is fantastic. For the rest of the country its chaotic and frustrating and impossible to manage or follow.

Im old enough to remember having favorite college football players from 1 year to the next.   Anyone remember that??

 

hasn’t college football always been about the upper tier? i’m old enough to remember if you weren’t Notre Dame, or Nebraska, or Oklahoma, you didn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of being even considered for a title. fast forward decades and only the names have changed but the antiquated system was still in place. at least now there is a playoff where you have to earn it on the field. it’s better now and i say expand it even more. take away these meaningless bowl games, where many of the stars opt out anyway, and give them something to actually play for besides a bucket of mayonnaise. 

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am a draft nerd, have no issue following players.

Yeah you can follow them from one program to the next, then they sit out a year waiting for the NCAA to determine if theyre eligible....its awesome!

6 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

hasn’t college football always been about the upper tier? i’m old enough to remember if you weren’t Notre Dame, or Nebraska, or Oklahoma, you didn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of being even considered for a title. fast forward decades and only the names have changed but the antiquated system was still in place. at least now there is a playoff where you have to earn it on the field. it’s better now and i say expand it even more. take away these meaningless bowl games, where many of the stars opt out anyway, and give them something to actually play for besides a bucket of mayonnaise. 

True in many ways, but like (I think it was) Iggles Phan said, all the emotion and fanfare has been gutted.

So as you can probably tell, this issue hits home for me.  I root for one of the Also-Rans, WVU.  We're probably one of the prime cases of how the NIL/transfer portal can destroy a program.

We used to have to gear up to compete with the big boys, maybe every 3-4 years and that was great.  

Now, the program cant get any traction at all. Its entirely dependent on the coaching staff or boosters essentially turning tricks.  WVU spends a lot, its not about money, we're usually in the top 10 or so as a program in terms of dollars spent.  But we literally have lost 17/21 signees from the last recruiting class.   Its not just disgruntled players, even our star players who get tons of PT are getting picked off by bigger programs and theres absolutely nothing that can be done.  Theres no way you can build a program that way, you just have to hope to catch lightning in a bottle for a year, then start all over again.

You know its bad when even the historic 'big boys' are lost in the wilderness.   Look at who you mentioned:  Nebraska, Oklahoma, someone mentioned Miami the other day.  Theyre all caught up in the fray and no one has any idea how to manage this in any sustainable way, not even Georgia or Alabama, theyll just turn their roster over.

Case in point, its bad for most players who enter the portal, many dont find a new home or end up going to a worse situation.

 

 

 

I just woke up. Good thing I had nothing to do today.

I'm not a teacher today. I'm hungover 🤣

Go Dawgs!

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

I just woke up. Good thing I had nothing to do today.

I'm not a teacher today. I'm hungover 🤣

Go Dawgs!

I am glad I already took the day off after the Super Bowl

 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am glad I already took the day off after the Super Bowl

Good call bro

Manifest destiny 

28 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

hasn’t college football always been about the upper tier? i’m old enough to remember if you weren’t Notre Dame, or Nebraska, or Oklahoma, you didn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of being even considered for a title. fast forward decades and only the names have changed but the antiquated system was still in place. at least now there is a playoff where you have to earn it on the field. it’s better now and i say expand it even more. take away these meaningless bowl games, where many of the stars opt out anyway, and give them something to actually play for besides a bucket of mayonnaise. 

Totally agree. Back then... oh... we'll just randomly choose this undefeated team as champion over that one. Now they earn it on the field. And for the people complaining about TCU... Michigan should have beat them. They didn't. Does that mean Michigan didn't deserve to be there? Kudos to TCU for having a great season and playing the game of their lives against Michigan. They ran out of steam. But I'd rather see them have a shot (and they proved they deserved it) than the old system when it wasn't decided on the field.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They were the final blows... the erosion began long before that... really with the institution of the BCS, which gave preference to the 'power conferences'.  If you were a team that was outside those power conferences, you had no shot, legitimately.  That eroded what the bowl games represented... such as the Rose Bowl was traditionally the Big Ten conference winner against the Pac Ten winner.  But, that was gone.  The Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl... all lost their meaning as well.  Then the rest of the bowl games lost their meaning as well. 

That forced teams to try to get into the power conferences... teams jumped from what had been a strong conference to stronger conferences and it just all collapsed.  The Big East was always a great basketball conference, but also had a great football history with the likes of Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, etc.   Then they jumped to the ACC, because they couldn't get into the SEC.  BUT.. that seems to have just prolonged their demise.  The SEC continues to grow, as it brought in Texas A&M and expanded into the maelstrom of Texas college football... and now will be bringing in the biggest fish... Texas, and to a lesser extent Oklahoma.  The Pac-10 tried to stay relevant, but geographically, didn't have much reach for top programs... they expanded to 10 with ASU and Arizona from the 8 teams they had been.  Then adding Utah and Colorado was something... but not much of anything as they became the Pac-12.  Now their biggest fish and biggest market is being stolen by the Big "TEN" (something very wrong about a conference of colleges that can't count past the number 10 properly).  

14, 16, 18 team conferences?   It's just too big.   If you can't play all the teams in your conference, that's a problem.  And there's no longer the geographical rivalries.  Once upon a time, the Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry was a great one.  Then Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten.  They almost never play each other anymore... and that really started to be degraded when the Big Eight became the Big 12... they were placed in different divisions and didn't always match up.  The erosion we are seeing now started with the cracks formed in the early-mid 1990s.  The cracks have only grown since then.

Ironically, if they had just gone to a traditional 'playoff' of 16 teams, like the DI-AA division does, a lot of this, if not all of this, might have been avoided.   The college basketball landscape, despite the football situation seems to be as strong as ever, though a split of Duke-UNC into separate conferences (possible, given the football landscape) might be a devastating result.

The governor would send the National Guard to make the teams play each other twice.  Also, there's too much money in that rivalry.  That's the issue is that the money drives decisions.  Paying the players is not causing all of these changes.  It's all about money and power football schools wanting to keep money coming into them.