Just now, downundermike said:

He has 107 more passing attempts than Hurts, but was only sacked/hit in the pocket 15 more times, while having 41 less rushing attempts.

Allen still seems to me that he is initiating contact more than Hurts does. 

Did Herbert, 2021 his percentage was 21%, 2022 up to 22%

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I took stats from pro football reference. Under advanced passing, there’s a tab "pressure”

 

Oh so those stats were from just inside the pocket? That makes sense now. I thought it was an accumulation of hits QBs take. Allen has ran into defenders way too much this season for extra yards

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Allen still seems to me that he is initiating contact more than Hurts does. 

He definitely does, but generally it is against DB's that he is much bigger than.

Dude is 6'5" - 240.  I don't have an issue with him initiating contact on 6'0" - 200 pound DB's.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

As an addendum to my post above, Fields hit percentage is an absurd 51%.

Fields is definitely not making it ten years at that rate. He was banged up this year and at times last year. He’s had a shoulder, fractured rib, hip and groin injuries in 2 years. Doesn’t include his college where he had a grade 2 mcl, hand sprain and a chest injury. He is a phenomenal runner but those hits are accumulating and i don’t see him sustaining that type of play and surviving. He really needs to take the next step as a passer  and managing the pocket to help bring down the percentage from 51

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Oh so those stats were from just inside the pocket? That makes sense now. I thought it was an accumulation of hits QBs take. Allen has ran into defenders way too much this season for extra yards

The sacks and "hits” are just on pass plays. Then you add the rushes 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Oh so those stats were from just inside the pocket? That makes sense now. I thought it was an accumulation of hits QBs take. Allen has ran into defenders way too much this season for extra yards

It was sacks, hits inside the pocket, and rushing attempts.  Whether you protect yourself and take a minimal hit after a run, it is still contact, and it adds up.

6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Late to the party you are talking to a non member 

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry... well it wasn't even a good plan.

 

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

And of course, Brady’s numbers are ridiculous.

As Brady gets more brittle with age he is getting rid of the ball quicker to not take hits.  2020 he was 2.55 ATT, 2021 was 2.50 and 2022 was 2.45.  In Big Ben's last season he was a ridiculous 2.38

It's not necessarily a good thing at all.  Defenses should crowd the LOS against Tampa because you know Brady is just looking to hit the quick slants and screens, etc.  He's not capable of standing in the pocket for any length of time

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He definitely does, but generally it is against DB's that he is much bigger than.

Dude is 6'5" - 240.  I don't have an issue with him initiating contact on 6'0" - 200 pound DB's.

It's still the total amount will wear down on him. He's been injured this season and they still allowed it

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

It was sacks, hits inside the pocket, and rushing attempts.  Whether you protect yourself and take a minimal hit after a run, it is still contact, and it adds up.

Right but Allen takes the additional hits when he runs and goes to break tackles

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I took stats from pro football reference. Under advanced passing, there’s a tab "pressure”

 

What’s Brock purdy’s? I’m curious cause every time i watch the niners i feel like he’s almost never getting touched. I do think if the eagles face the niners if the pass rush is great that day you might see him begin to look more like a rookie 

I'm worried about Hurts longevity and he doesn't try to break tackles like Allen does. Can't imagine what Bills fans feel lol

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Right but Allen takes the additional hits when he runs and goes to break tackles

Yes, those are reflected in the rushing attempts, and generally, it is in the secondary, and we are talking about a 6'5" - 240 pounder running over 200 pound DB's.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He definitely does, but generally it is against DB's that he is much bigger than.

Dude is 6'5" - 240.  I don't have an issue with him initiating contact on 6'0" - 200 pound DB's.

Can't say that I don't agree there but, still he has been banged up this year too. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

As Brady gets more brittle with age he is getting rid of the ball quicker to not take hits.  2020 he was 2.55 ATT, 2021 was 2.50 and 2022 was 2.45.  In Big Ben's last season he was a ridiculous 2.38

It's not necessarily a good thing at all.  Defenses should crowd the LOS against Tampa because you know Brady is just looking to hit the quick slants and screens, etc.  He's not capable of standing in the pocket for any length of time

Brady was always going to get rid of it fast. But part of the issue for Brady and the passing game is the Bucs oline (has been bad in run blocking too) is bad in pass blocking. They’ve been down Jensen all year and wirfs has also missed time. Didn’t help marpet retired this past offseason. Their oline isn’t what it was 2 years ago and even last year. Sadly it’s why i think Dallas has a good chance to win in tampa if their front four just dominates the Bucs oline. 

Allen runs too much too. Again, the golden zone appears to be 20-25%
 

Rodgers is 18% for both 21/22

Purdy is at 25% on the nose. (170 attempts, 22 rushes, 11 sacks and 15 hits)

QB's should be smart about taking big hits and follow the lead of Carson Strong, who protects himself so well he's at 0% hit rate.

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Allen runs too much too. Again, the golden zone appears to be 20-25%
 

Rodgers is 18% for both 21/22

Purdy is at 25% on the nose. (170 attempts, 22 rushes, 11 sacks and 15 hits)

The game is evolving but, still a QB intentionally running like a running back still seems like a recipe for disaster. Allen will start breaking down too if he keeps it up. 

Goff was 19.5% in 21, and 17% in 22

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

The game is evolving but, still a QB intentionally running like a running back still seems like a recipe for disaster. Allen will start breaking down too if he keeps it up. 

I agree

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Allen runs too much too. Again, the golden zone appears to be 20-25%
 

Rodgers is 18% for both 21/22

Purdy is at 25% on the nose. (170 attempts, 22 rushes, 11 sacks and 15 hits)

So purdy’s getting sacked on 6.5% of his attempts and hit on 8.8% of his drop backs. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Goff was 19.5% in 21, and 17% in 22

Great now he will get hurts in the pocket

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Can't say that I don't agree there but, still he has been banged up this year too. 

He has started 77 consecutive games.

I think there’s plenty of evidence to suggest QBs can get hurt anywhere. What that exercise shows is the percentage of plays where the play ends with the ball in the QBs hands, plus the hits they take in the pocket. It seems for longevity sake, the percentage should be down near the low 20s at worst

Least shocking thing 

 

Just now, downundermike said:

He has started 77 consecutive games.

I know but, didn't have issues with his elbow and what not this year? Anyways I think the real question a coach, gm, fan has to ask themselves.... Would you rather your QB get hurt in the pocket trying to get a ball down the field or getting blown up running for a meaningless yard on a designed run