3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It’s because Wentz was the QB for that game so it doesn't count.

Yet we had to play Arizona when Kyler was still healthy, but it was important to show how badly SF beat Colt McCoy when he was subbing for Kyler and they were on their losing streak? Why is one relevant and the other unfair to list?

7 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

1.  Curious why it felt right to show both point totals SF allowed vs Arizona but omit when Philly played Washington and only allowed 8. What was that about blinders?

What were the win/loss scenarios of these games the teams played against higher ypg teams? 
 

2.  And that wasn’t even my point I was making. Philadelphia is an offense SF has only seen the likes of once this season, KC, and they got blown out of the building in that game. Furthermore, Miami was the only other top 10 offense they even played all year. They had a very favorable schedule in that department, especially down the stretch. 

1.  The first post I responded to was about the 9ers 11 game winning streak, so I did the last 11 games with Hurts.

2.  Our schedule wasn't exactly hard, and Dallas is the only legitimate offense we have played for quite some time, and they dropped 40 on us, while we were trying to clinch the #1 seed.

 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

His staff is still full of people who he knows, not recruited. Both his coordinators are guys he had on a previous staff and played with. 

Doug is still a good HC. However, his staff will never be a strength until he branches out.

I get it, but I think that’s falling back too much on the narrative from when he was fired. Since then, we’ve seen Wentz exposed as a radioactive coach killer. We’ve seen Press Taylor do a good job with one of the slowest WR corps in the league and a not overly talented OL. Doug knew Caldwell, but at least he was highly thought of. It’s not like he brought Burke along with him. 

We’ll see how things go from here, but it’s really lazy to assume he can’t put a staff together considering the job he and his staff did this year, and piecing together how things ended in Philly (see Wentz and Scangarello). 

Maybe he learned over the years how to put one together, but Howie/Lurie kept treating him like a child (like when he was first hired). Howie and Lurie forcing him to hire an outside voice that ended up not fitting in at all might have been all Doug needed to say, "Eff it, I’m doing it my way. I want guys I can trust who share my vision.”

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

1.  The first post I responded to was about the 9ers 11 game winning streak, so I did the last 11 games with Hurts.

2.  Our schedule wasn't exactly hard, and Dallas is the only legitimate offense we have played for quite some time, and they dropped 40 on us, while we were trying to clinch the #1 seed.

 

We also played Detroit, Minnesota, Jacksonville throughout the season, all top 10 offenses, all eagles wins.

SF only played 2 all season, the 20+ point loss to KC, and then Miami. Any criticism of the eagles difficulty of opponents can be brought right back to SF. They played the Rams twice, the single worst offense in the national football league. The second best NFC West team lost 8 games. The worst NFC East team lost 8 games. Our division wasn’t nearly as forgiving, our schedule wasn’t any easier than theirs.

Probably on the short list to join the Eagles coaching staff once the purge begins. 

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yet we had to play Arizona when Kyler was still healthy, but it was important to show how badly SF beat Colt McCoy when he was subbing for Kyler and they were on their losing streak? Why is one relevant and the other unfair to list?

I know. I was being sarcastic. 

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lurie was right. Doug struggled to get a staff. He still has that problem in Jacksonville! Lawrence solves so many problems.

In retrospect Wentz and a lack of talent at WR were  the bigger reasons  for the sputtering offense. So when the offensive line was decimated by injuries the team looked terrible. Howie and Lurie  not knowing how to draft a WR has more to do with it than Doug’s assistants. 

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

SF only played 2 all season, the 20+ point loss to KC, and then Miami.

LAC are a top 10 offense and the 9ers won that game.

KC is the #1 ranked offense, 9ers gave up 44.

Cowboys are the #11 ranked offense, and the Eagles gave up 40 with the #1 seed on the line, knowing they had to step up with the backup QB starting.

 

We can go round and round all day, I just choose not to dismiss a team because they are not the Eagles.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know. I was being sarcastic. 

29 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I literally turned game off and  went to sleep and woke up and jags won, how in Gods name. 

They chargered hard and doug never gave up

The analysis on SF is BS that does not hold up to the eye test.

They beat Miami! ... without any OTs

They beat Seattle 3x... Seattle has no defense.

They beat Tampa! ... the only reason Tampa was not 6-11 was a pretend roughing the passer and Mark Ingram's stupidity.

 

WTF is with last 11's on Jalen Hurts? He's 14-1 and those first 4 games counted. (9-8, 13-4, 8-8-1, 9-8 + a playoff win)

BTW, Seattle was not even a legit playoff team. Detroit was the real 7 seed based on talent and play on the field. The refs threw the Rams game so badly last week that rule changes are coming because of it. BTW, DC missed the playoffs on 2 of the worst calls in NFL history back to back vs NY... sure, they benefitted vs Philly but then Hurts would be 15-0 if that game was legit. (feel free to rip Goedert's head off by his facemask)

 

SF is pretty. They are clearly the 2nd best team in the NFC. They are nowhere near the Eagles with Hurts and Lane playing.

That easy street win streak included 4 road games. At SF South (SoFi Stadium home game), at AZ (Cards are 1-14 in their last 15 home games), @ Seattle and @ Vegas.

Which one of those is like going to Philly for a playoff game?

 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

LAC are a top 10 offense and the 9ers won that game.

KC is the #1 ranked offense, 9ers gave up 44.

Cowboys are the #11 ranked offense, and the Eagles gave up 40 with the #1 seed on the line, knowing they had to step up with the backup QB starting.

 

We can go round and round all day, I just choose not to dismiss a team because they are not the Eagles.

No one is dismissing anyone. You’re choosing to present that narrative. The comment I originally responded to said SF was responding to someone saying SF should not be considered unbeatable, so any future reply considers that as the primary point. Context needs to remain or the debate is mere pedantry. 

If you choose not to dismiss a team because they are not the eagles, then I counter you in saying I choose not to dismiss a team because they are the eagles.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

In retrospect Wentz and a lack of talent at WR were  the bigger reasons  for the sputtering offense. So when the offensive line was decimated by injuries the team looked terrible. Howie and Lurie  not knowing how to draft a WR has more to do with it than Doug’s assistants. 

But that’s Doug’s fault too, Howie said. 

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone is stamping anything, just that they are a legitimate team with a legitimate defense.

My main concern, is zone defense, and the middle of the defense against Deebo, Kittle and CMC.

Why would you be worried about Kittle and CMC when we have TJ Edwards. …

Jarrett Stidham took SF to OT with a 6-11 team. I have no idea how Hurts could do any better. 

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe he learned over the years how to put one together, but Howie/Lurie kept treating him like a child (like when he was first hired). Howie and Lurie forcing him to hire an outside voice that ended up not fitting in at all might have been all Doug needed to say, "Eff it, I’m doing it my way. I want guys I can trust who share my vision.”

It definitely got toxic at the end. You could see the trust was gone. 

I wonder how the Jefferson/Reagor pick fractured their relationship. You could tell that Doug didn't want Hurts either. 

The Eagles are the biggest mystery in the NFL.

Is it possible that, starting in divisional playoff and extending through the SB, that the Eagles just obliterate teams in the trenches, Hurts makes plays in the air and on the ground that are unstoppable, and the secondary returns to a pick fest?  Yes, all possible.  They've done it before; they can do it again.  They'll either win the SB or come damn close if that happens.  But anyone assuming the Eagles will automatically return to that level once the playoffs start is just a hopeful fan.

It will be very, very hard to return to that level with how bad they've been for almost 2 months.  And make no mistake...they've been BAD.  

If they can return to October, they'll cruise past SF.  If they can't get all systems back online, they'll get their doors blown off.....IF they even make it to the NFCCG.  

I'm not saying they won't return to October.  I'm not saying they will.  I'm saying that anyone who pretends to know is doing just that...pretending or fooling themselves.  The Eagles are a very unpredictable playoff team.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Jarrett Stidham took SF to OT with a 6-11 team. I have no idea how Hurts could do any better. 

They’re also one of Denver’s 5 wins, one of Chicago’s 3, and one of Atlanta’s 7. No team is infallible

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

It definitely got toxic at the end. You could see the trust was gone. 

I wonder how the Jefferson/Reagor pick fractured their relationship. You could tell that Doug didn't want Hurts either. 

Howie made the point that Hurts was Doug’s pick, he convinced the FO to take a chance on a 2nd round QB while they had a franchise guy already. Let me try and find the transcript

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

They chargered hard and doug never gave up

Chargers coach is worse than  Kliff  🤣🤣

If SF were to win the SB, that would be 14 straight wins with mostly a rookie QB who was the last pick of the entire draft.

Pretty impressive if it happens but I don't see it.  I can see them making it to the SB but don't see them beating KC, Buffalo or Cincy.

When they first announced it, the Chargers 2023 logo felt like weird self copyright infringement. But after yesterday I’m beginning to make the connection 

 

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If SF were to win the SB, that would be 14 straight wins with mostly a rookie QB who was the last pick of the entire draft.

Pretty impressive if it happens but I don't see it.  I can see them making it to the SB but don't see them beating KC, Buffalo or Cincy.

Buffalo is a maybe, they’ve had consistency issues this year, where you could argue SF has been close to the most consistent team. So maybe we get bad Josh Allen in Feb, could happen

What SF has done in the last 11 is incredibly overrated (as in not worthy of being called the best team in the NFL and an actual cult forming to worship Kyle Shanahan) and has NOTHING to do with the Eagles. We'd still be pointing it out if the Eagles were not in the playoffs.

The most impressive win in that list is... 13-0 vs the Saints?  35-7 at home vs the team that lost to Carolina and Pittsburgh?

 

Lets explain the 49ers schedule with Tampa.

• Tampa played their own terrible division and went 4-2  (2 plays away from 2-4 or 3-3 if they tried in week 18)
• Tampa was 0-4 vs the AFC North 
• Tampa was 3-0 vs SF's divisional rivals because SF has no divisional rivals in 2022.

Who cares if SF beats Tampa at home? Its not an impressive win. The Eagles divisional rivals are 2 playoff teams and a 3rd team who was cheated out of the playoffs because the ref said move up, the WR did, but not the extra millimeter. That the Commodes were cheated out of the 7th seed does not make them a good team. It just shows that the rest of the NFC was terrible.

 

People might be expecting Tampa to beat Dallas but its all on Dallas being awful on the road, Brady being Brady, and Dak being Dak. Its not that Tampa is good.

SF played 1 game all year vs a team like Philly, KC, or Buffalo. They lost by 21 at home.

 

SF is the 4th or 5th best team in the league. After a 4-4 start that's very impressive. What's with the need to pretend its more? Why not let the 2nd best team in the NFC try to beat the best team in the NFCCG before calling them the best? Is owning Geno Smith and outlasting Jarrett Stidham what defines best now?

We beat a practice squad by less than a TD in a must win game…last week.  We are going to dismiss SF for getting manhandled by the Chiefs in October before they started their tear?