26 minutes ago, Swoop said:

New forum rule:

For every Eagles win, flood the thread with Annie Murphy. 

 

Meh

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Goes to show the effect Jalen has on the running game and how it opens it up for others when defenses are forced to account for him pulling the handoff back and running himself.  Yet you'll still have people around here to act as if Jalen has no impact on opening the running game up for the RBs.  

Honestly goes to show the selfishness of Jalen. For him to sit out which causes Sanders to not have a good game, thus effecting the contract for Sanders next year. Jalen's rent money is partially stolen from Sanders. Boobie has a family man...he has to put bread on the table too ya know...

43 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Minshew was over throwing a ton of passes. DeVonta was bailing him out.  We were honestly lucky that he only threw two interceptions. Eagles win that game with Hurts.  You're taking a drop off from one of the best QBs in the league to a journeyman backup.  It is what it is. Minshew wasn't good enough to win that style of a game. 

Minshew completed 60% of his passes for 355 yards and 2 TD's and the aforementioned INT that you can't put on his shoulders.  Minshew wasn't perfect but he was 100% good enough to win.  The defense was not.   This isn't an argument if there was a drop off from Hurt as I admitted there was.  You're putting the loss on Minshew and I'm just stating that it's wrong to do that.  He is not the reason they lost.  Not denying one bit that he missed some passes.  The last 2 drives were infuriating watching him throw off his back foot to the left side of the field.  He didn't trust his protection when he had time.  For his 1st start of the year, against a very good defense, I'll take those numbers.  

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Minshew completed 60% of his passes for 355 yards and 2 TD's and the aforementioned INT that you can't put on his shoulders.  Minshew wasn't perfect but he was 100% good enough to win.  The defense was not.   This isn't an argument if there was a drop off from Hurt as I admitted there was.  You're putting the loss on Minshew and I'm just stating that it's wrong to do that.  He is not the reason they lost.  Not denying one bit that he missed some passes.  The last 2 drives were infuriating watching him throw off his back foot to the left side of the field.  He didn't trust his protection when he had time.  For his 1st start of the year, against a very good defense, I'll take those numbers.  

Minshew showed why he was a backup with the turnovers, but when your backup performs like that, moves the ball like that, and scores like that................that's good enough to win.  You can't expect to win a game against an even average NFL team with your backup starting when your defense allows the opposition to score like that.

If the game plan or path to winning a game in the NFL with a backup QB involves asking them to do more than Minshew did against Dallas, then you are going to lose 19 out of 20 times.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Minshew completed 60% of his passes for 355 yards and 2 TD's and the aforementioned INT that you can't put on his shoulders.  Minshew wasn't perfect but he was 100% good enough to win.  The defense was not.   This isn't an argument if there was a drop off from Hurt as I admitted there was.  You're putting the loss on Minshew and I'm just stating that it's wrong to do that.  He is not the reason they lost.  Not denying one bit that he missed some passes.  The last 2 drives were infuriating watching him throw off his back foot to the left side of the field.  He didn't trust his protection when he had time.  For his 1st start of the year, against a very good defense, I'll take those numbers.  

Would it be impolite to point out career completion percentages ??

Minshew - 63%

Hurts - 62.5%

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Minshew completed 60% of his passes for 355 yards and 2 TD's and the aforementioned INT that you can't put on his shoulders.  Minshew wasn't perfect but he was 100% good enough to win.  The defense was not.   This isn't an argument if there was a drop off from Hurt as I admitted there was.  You're putting the loss on Minshew and I'm just stating that it's wrong to do that.  He is not the reason they lost.  Not denying one bit that he missed some passes.  The last 2 drives were infuriating watching him throw off his back foot to the left side of the field.  He didn't trust his protection when he had time.  For his 1st start of the year, against a very good defense, I'll take those numbers.  

 

Minshew takes some blame for the loss.  Sanders takes some blame for the loss.  Boston Scott takes some blame for the loss.  Quez Watkins takes some blame for the loss.  The defense absolutely takes a lot of blame for the loss.  Jon Gannon takes a lot of blame for the loss.  

 

Could Minshew have won if others mentioned above performed better than they did?  Absolutely.  But just the same the Eagles could have won if Minshew wasn't as erratic as he was.  He shares blame in that loss.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Minshew takes some blame for the loss.  Sanders takes some blame for the loss.  Boston Scott takes some blame for the loss.  Quez Watkins takes some blame for the loss.  The defense absolutely takes a lot of blame for the loss.  Jon Gannon takes a lot of blame for the loss.  

 

Could Minshew have won if others mentioned above performed better than they did?  Absolutely.  But just the same the Eagles could have won if Minshew wasn't as erratic as he was.  He shares blame in that loss.  

Depends on how you want to look at it.  If Hurts played an identical game to Minshew, would he take some blame?  Yes.  Because Hurts doesn't turn the ball over like that.  And because Hurts is evaluated on the grading curve for a starting QB.

Minshew gave them everything you can realistically expect from a backup QB.  The failure was on the team to not find a way to win with Minshew already giving them as much as they had any sensible right to expect.  

 

Minshew beats most teams with that performance 

He played well despite not playing much for 2 years now.

with that’s said.. Hurts has played at an MVP level all year and the duel threat aspect of his game was missed 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Minshew takes some blame for the loss.  Sanders takes some blame for the loss.  Boston Scott takes some blame for the loss.  Quez Watkins takes some blame for the loss.  The defense absolutely takes a lot of blame for the loss.  Jon Gannon takes a lot of blame for the loss.  

 

Could Minshew have won if others mentioned above performed better than they did?  Absolutely.  But just the same the Eagles could have won if Minshew wasn't as erratic as he was.  He shares blame in that loss.  

Asking your backup quarterback making his 1st start of the year to come in and lead the offense to 34 points (+ Sweats pick 6) to beat one of the top teams in the NFL is a huge task.  Having your backup QB come in and lead the team to 27 points (+ Sweats pick 6) SHOULD beat any team in the NFL.

Sounds a lot different than your previous comment.  Does some of the blame go on him?  Sure, he DID throw 2 INTs, even though I firmly believe a better WR makes those catches.

If Minshew leads this team to a second straight loss then playing Hurts is an absolute must in the final week to secure the #1 seed. 

 

When you have to go with a bullpen game and you lose 3-1 because your offense sucked...but your ace might have gotten you a 1-0 win.....did you lose because of your bullpen game?  You lost because the part of the team that was supposed to pick up the slack royally sucked.

Minshew gave them what they needed from the backup QB and the rest of the team failed to relay that into a win.

Here is a comparison of Dak against the Eagles, and against the Titans who did not play multiple starters on defense.

 

Hurts has only gone for 355+ passing yards once all season. Minshew comes in off the bench with 1 week of practice and achieves that AT Dallas. The same team that Hurts only had 155 yards against at home. Something to be said about Parson's comments.

Another way to look at this...

Start microscopically with film study.  The anatomy of a play (and the review of a play) comes down to individual assignments.  11 guys each have a job to do.  If all 11 execute their job, the play will be a resounding success.  Scale that up to a game.  Certain expectations and jobs are bestowed upon each player for a game.  Scale it up to a season.  Each player has projected season-long production that is expected to plug into a winning team.

You can't project more from a backup QB than what Minshew did as part of your plan to win a game.  He did his projected job.  Others didn't.

I have no real interest in defending Minshew, who is definitely not a starter in this league.  I'm just frustrated that the team completely failed step up to secure a win when the backup did enough.  You can't have the defense play their worst game of the year when the backup QB is starting.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Depends on how you want to look at it.  If Hurts played an identical game to Minshew, would he take some blame?  Yes.  Because Hurts doesn't turn the ball over like that.  And because Hurts is evaluated on the grading curve for a starting QB.

Minshew gave them everything you can realistically expect from a backup QB.  The failure was on the team to not find a way to win with Minshew already giving them as much as they had any sensible right to expect.  

 

 

That's silly.  He's started 23 games in his career.  There have been many here that have long believed up until at least entering this season that Minshew was/is the better QB.  To now say he's just a backup so you can't blame him at all is so silly.  Especially when we all have no issue blaming Wallace or Josiah Scott or any other backup on this team when they do something that would result in some blame.  

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

That's silly.  He's started 23 games in his career.  There have been many here that have long believed up until at least entering this season that Minshew was/is the better QB.  To now say he's just a backup so you can't blame him at all is so silly.  Especially when we all have no issue blaming Wallace or Josiah Scott or any other backup on this team when they do something that would result in some blame.  

Minshew has played 9% of the snaps 

Scott has played 36.5% of the snaps across 14 games.

2 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Hurts has only gone for 355+ passing yards once all season. Minshew comes in off the bench with 1 week of practice and achieves that AT Dallas. The same team that Hurts only had 155 yards against at home. Something to be said about Parson's comments.

It's a legit argument to have but too many people have emotions mixed in with their fandom.  I would think any logical person could take a step back and look at it but we know that's not happening. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

That's silly.  He's started 23 games in his career.  There have been many here that have long believed up until at least entering this season that Minshew was/is the better QB.  To now say he's just a backup so you can't blame him at all is so silly.  Especially when we all have no issue blaming Wallace or Josiah Scott or any other backup on this team when they do something that would result in some blame.  

I don't care if he's started 500 games and is headed to the HOF.  He's here as a backup and is compensated accordingly.  He should be evaluated accordingly.  It's silly to say he's just a backup??  He IS JUST A BACKUP.

Wallace and Josiah Scott are also just backups.  And their presence on the field has derailed what was the best defensive secondary in the NFL through 13 weeks into an unrecognizable abomination.  So I'd say that, unlike Minshew, they aren't quite doing their job as backups.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Depends on how you want to look at it.  If Hurts played an identical game to Minshew, would he take some blame?  Yes.  Because Hurts doesn't turn the ball over like that.  And because Hurts is evaluated on the grading curve for a starting QB.

Minshew gave them everything you can realistically expect from a backup QB.  The failure was on the team to not find a way to win with Minshew already giving them as much as they had any sensible right to expect.  

 

How many points did they score from the 4 turnovers? 17 wasn’t it? 
 

the Offense gave them 4 more opportunities to score points and they did. 
 

minshew was ok all things considering, but he’s partly to blame as RTK says 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't care if he's started 500 games and is headed to the HOF.  He's here as a backup and is compensated accordingly.  He should be evaluated accordingly.  It's silly to say he's just a backup??  He IS JUST A BACKUP.

Wallace and Josiah Scott are also just backups.  And their presence on the field has derailed what was the best defensive secondary in the NFL through 13 weeks into an unrecognizable abomination.  So I'd say that, unlike Minshew, they aren't quite doing their job as backups.

 

Do you not the see the hypocrisy? You're saying it isn't fair to give Minshew any blame because he is a backup.  Yet this same weird exception you have created for backup players does not carry over to other backup players.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Do you not the see the hypocrisy? You're saying it isn't fare to give Minshew any blame because he is a backup.  Yet this same weird exception you have created for backup players does not carry over to other backup players.  

They turned their unit into a disaster.  Minshew didn't.

And there's blame that Slay and Epps wear that the likes of AJ Brown and Devonta Smith don't.  AJ Brown and Devonta Smith made some huge plays that made Minshew look good.  Slay and Epps completely failed to step up and help integrate lesser players into the defense.

4 hours ago, downundermike said:

@justwinbaby how bout that still dead last in yards and points allowed Lions defense.  Apparently it was you that don't know what you're watching.

 

You think about me this much? How cute

2 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

I know you are talking about Dak/Cowboys, who is JG he is talking about? 

Gannon

2 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

You think about me this much? How cute

Nice deflection.  Care to address the issue and your statement, which was 100% incorrect.

Just now, eagle45 said:

They turned their unit into a disaster.  Minshew didn't.

 

First off, where are these shots coming from for K'Von Wallace against the Cowboys? lol.  He hardly played in the Cowboys game.  Only 5 snaps.  I brought him up simply as an example of a backup who has, rightfully so, been criticized at times this year for his play.  You want to say blaming Minshew for the Cowboys loss is unfair but blaming Wallace for the defense's performance is actually quite unfair.  I seem to recall him even making a play in that game.  

Regardless, it's fully hypocritical to proclaim that it's unfair to give one player a share of blame for the reason that he is a backup but then not hold that same standard with all of the other backups on the team and instead blame them indiscriminately like you have Wallace for the defense's performance against Dallas.