4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never said he forgot how to catch the ball. He caught 20 of 26 targets this year.

I'm saying he's useless once he catches the ball.

3.9 yards/ catch is pretty bad, and not something I'd look at and say, hey we need to get that dude the ball more in the passing game.

He seems to me to have a poor feel of what to do after he catches the ball, alot if his car he's are short throws but he's done little to nothing with those and has shown some pretty poor vision and ability to pick up yac.

Part of that could be the way the coaches are using him in the passing game and yet I haven't seen him run any routes down the field where he's created any separation or gotten loose the few times he does run a wheel route he hasn't gotten open.

I just think what he offers as a receiver isnt a point one would use to justify re- signing him,if anything it would be a reason to justify not re-signing him.

It's almost like the space created for RBs out of the backfield by the offensive scheme is a big factor. Maybe not all RB routes are created equally. Maybe there's a reason why RBs always seem to find more room to run after the catch in an Andy Reid offense compared to one like ours? Nah, it's gotta be because Miles Sanders is useless. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Complete game changer for Saturday

LOL .... He actually has good size for a safety at 6'3 and 195.  It could be interesting if they can develop him.  

 

EDIT:  Hold on, I just found out he's Zyon McCollum's twin brother and is actually only 6'2"

 

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's almost like the space created for RBs out of the backfield by the offensive scheme is a big factor. Maybe not all RB routes are created equally. Maybe there's a reason why RBs always seem to find more room to run after the catch in an Andy Reid offense compared to one like ours? Nah, it's gotta be because Miles Sanders is useless. 

Siri has had RBs like Hines in Indy catch a lot of balls for a higher average than 3.9

Part of it could be the scheme and part of it could be that Sanders isn't very good as a receiving RB in the scheme, having said that he regressed from his rookie year as well in the same scheme so...

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's almost like the space created for RBs out of the backfield by the offensive scheme is a big factor. Maybe not all RB routes are created equally. Maybe there's a reason why RBs always seem to find more room to run after the catch in an Andy Reid offense compared to one like ours? Nah, it's gotta be because Miles Sanders is useless. 

Hes just flatout not as good as you think he is.

He is like Ertz after the catch, completely lost, runs right into defenders instead of picking up YAC and breaking tackles.

Its just not an efficient play for the offense to throw him the ball.  Just like its not efficient to give him 20 carries per game because he doesnt maximize production 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Siri has had RBs like Hines in Indy catch a lot of balls for a higher average than 3.9

Part of it could be the scheme and part of it could be that Sanders isn't very good as a receiving RB in the scheme, having said that he regressed from his rookie year as well in the same scheme so...

Groh was fired after his rookie season. They went Scangarello as the pseudo coordinator in 2020. Gotta imagine that played a bigger factor rather him losing an entire part of his game that he excelled at the year prior.

 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Hes just flatout not as good as you think he is.

He is like Ertz after the catch, completely lost, runs right into defenders instead of picking up YAC and breaking tackles.

Its just not an efficient play for the offense to throw him the ball.  Just like its not efficient to give him 20 carries per game because he doesnt maximize production 

Ertz was consistently one of the best TEs of the entire league for a number of years here. That's not the burn you think it is.  

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Groh was fired after his rookie season. They went Scangarello as the pseudo coordinator in 2020. Gotta imagine that played a bigger factor rather him an entire part of his game that he excelled at the year prior.

No he was bad his 2nd year. He had 7 drops that year (compared to 6 total for the other three years combined). He had a drop rate that year of 13% which is absurd 

I forget if that was already out there. 

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We’d have to have middle round picks first. 

Howie is going to trade down at least once. Does a 3 count as mid round pick?

Just now, RLC said:

Howie is going to trade down at least once. Does a 3 count as mid round pick?

I don’t count it as middle rounds, but I suppose I wouldn’t argue if you did. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t count it as middle rounds, but I suppose I wouldn’t argue if you did. 

Time for a blog definition on mid round pick?

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have a hard time seeing us spend a second round pick on an RB considering all the potential holes on this roster. Plus, we should just sign the last good FA RB remaining for a cheapish deal and spend the premium pick on a premium position. 

Tbh one of those first rounders I’m guessing they trade back and stockpile more picks. So I’m fine if they are sitting at 63 and the best available player is a RB and they select him. When we drafted Miles Sanders, there were other positions on this team that needed fixing over running back. Don’t get me wrong running back was bad, but there were other premium position they could’ve addressed. I don’t want them waiting til round 4 hoping a guy falls bust then get stuck in a pumphrey situation.

The problem with just signing the last free agent running back that’s available as he might not fit what you want. And he also has more miles on him so you might wind up paying for a guy who might just be done or declining at that point. I’m for signing one of the guys in free agency if it’s a reasonable price but I’m not waiting to sign one of them and getting stuck with a potential player who’s not worth it either 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

No he was bad his 2nd year. He had 7 drops that year some (compared to 6 total for the other three years combined). He had a drop rate that year of 13% which is absurd 

Ok so we're back to him forgetting how to catch a football. Gee, I hope he remembers again when he plays for his next team if he's so useless here.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Groh was fired after his rookie season. They went Scangarello as the pseudo coordinator in 2020. Gotta imagine that played a bigger factor rather him an entire part of his game that he excelled at the year prior.

Or maybe he just regressed. Happens all the time.

Looking at Sanders career as a  receiver his rookie year looks to be the exception not the rule.

Maybe he's just not as good as a receiver and that rookie year was a bit of a fluke.

Either way when I'm at the negotiation table I'm not bringing up his receiving ability as a reason he should be re-signed and I'm sure anybody trying  to drive down his price and get a cheaper deal will use his lack of receiving ability as a way to do so.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Time for a blog definition on mid round pick?

I consider if rounds 4/5, but I suppose technically rounds 3-5?

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Or maybe he just regressed. Happens all the time.

Looking at Sanders career as a  receiver his rookie year looks to be the exception not the rule.

Maybe he's just not as good as a receiver and that rookie year was a bit of a fluke.

Either way when I'm at the negotiation table I'm not bringing up his receiving ability as a reason he should be re-signed and I'm sure anybody trying  to drive down his price and get a cheaper deal will use his lack of receiving ability as a way to do so.

Guess we'll find out if you get your wish and he heads to another team.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I consider if rounds 4/5, but I suppose technically rounds 3-5?

Yes I’d go with 3-5

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forget if that was already out there. 

Damnit, he's gonna go somewhere else as an OC then become a HC and the Eagles don't get any picks.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ertz was consistently one of the best TEs of the entire league for a number of years here. That's not the burn you think it is.  

Even Ertz's biggest fans (and I consider myself one) would probably admit that his run after the catch skills were pretty bad.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Or maybe he just regressed. Happens all the time.

Looking at Sanders career as a  receiver his rookie year looks to be the exception not the rule.

Maybe he's just not as good as a receiver and that rookie year was a bit of a fluke.

Either way when I'm at the negotiation table I'm not bringing up his receiving ability as a reason he should be re-signed and I'm sure anybody trying  to drive down his price and get a cheaper deal will use his lack of receiving ability as a way to do so.

Miles has not regressed, his targets have regressed. 

63, 52, 34, 26

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ok so we're back to him forgetting how to catch a football. Gee, I hope he remembers again when he plays for his next team if he's so useless here.

He’s not as bad as his 2nd year, and he’s not as good as his rookie year. Nobody is saying he forgot how to catch, that’s a strawman.

What I am saying is his strength is not in the passing game. The stats back that up. If he was as good as you seem to think he is, don’t you think the coaches would scheme more to get him the ball that way?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I consider if rounds 4/5, but I suppose technically rounds 3-5?

Agreed.

Day 1 1st Round

Day 2 2nd and 3rd Round (also premium picks)

Mid-round 4th and 5th 

Late-round 6th and 7th

 

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Even Ertz's biggest fans (and I consider myself one) would probably admit that his run after the catch skills were pretty bad.

True but not in the context of a preceding statement arguing "He's just not as good as you think he is." Ertz was awesome, and we were super lucky to have him.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Miles has not regressed, his targets have regressed. 

63, 52, 34, 26

He set a high bar his rookie year, he has certainly regressed from that since.