3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Even Ertz's biggest fans (and I consider myself one) would probably admit that his run after the catch skills were pretty bad.

It was either the last year or the last 2 years he was here that he was finally trying to break tackles

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Guess we'll find out if you get your wish and he heads to another team.

I'm not wishing anything, I just don't think it fiscally responsible In today's NFL to spend big money on a RB especially if he isn't a threat as a receiver.

If there was no cap I'd absolutely bring Sanders back, he's been great this year, he's shown better vision than last year better ability to break tackles and make the first guy miss, better patience in the hole and ability to set up his blocks and after scoring all of zero tds last year he's been highly efficient TD scorer this year.

But there is a salary cap and sending big money on RBs had shown to not be an effective strategy to sustainable winning roster building.

I wish him all the best going forward and who knows maybe he goes somewhere else and has 50 catches for 500+ yards like he did as a rookie and I'm still not sure I would have paid him big money as in today's NFL paying RBs just doesn't make a lot of sense.

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ertz was consistently one of the best TEs of the entire league for a number of years here. That's not the burn you think it is.  

It is because I specifically said "after the catch."  Both he and Ertz caught the ball and the play ends there.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He’s not as bad as his 2nd year, and he’s not as good as his rookie year. Nobody is saying he forgot how to catch, that’s a strawman.

What I am saying is his strength is not in the passing game. The stats back that up. If he was as good as you seem to think he is,

Am I saying he's awesome or the next Sproles or Westbrook? No. But I do think he's certainly not useless as a receiver out of the backfield. This is literally the statement I was responding to.

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don’t you think the coaches would scheme more to get him the ball that way?

I think it's pretty clear by now that's it's just not a strength of this staff. Is it really that much of a stretch to think certain offensive schemes are better than others at creating space for RBs in the passing game? 

let's get hyped!!!

 

 

 

  

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He set a high bar his rookie year, he has certainly regressed from that since. 

He regressed from year 1 to year 2, but Wentz is partially to blame for that, as he could not throw a screen pass.

Siriani just flat out does not use him enough in the screen game.

I think people are missing the bigger picture, this is less about Mile Sanders, and more about paying him a good amount. When you have a bunch of free agents and having to give Jalen hurts an extension which is likely coming this off-season because if they wait a year, they’re likely gonna have to pay him even more if he plays as well as he did this year. 

here are the eagles free agents 

cjgj

epps

cox

graham

edwards

white

Bradberry

hargrave

joseph

Suh

seumalo

sanders

kelce (he’s either back or retiring)

so the fact that the Eagles like to get contracts done early, especially at quarterback, and the fact that they have 7-8 starters on D as FA and 2 on offense, do you want to pay your RB nice amount of coin when there’s more premium positions the eagles need to replace or extend? You have to be smart on the decisions on who you’re going to pay as Hurts extension looms. As much as the wizard is howie is with the cap at some point in time have to make financially smart decisions about who to extend and who to let walk  

 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Miles has not regressed, his targets have regressed. 

63, 52, 34, 26

Yards/ catch 7.0, 6.1, 3.9

That's regression.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not wishing anything, I just don't think it fiscally responsible In today's NFL to spend big money on a RB especially if he isn't a threat as a receiver.

If there was no cap I'd absolutely bring Sanders back, he's been great this year, he's shown better vision than last year better ability to break tackles and make the first guy miss, better patience in the hole and ability to set up his blocks and after scoring all of zero tds last year he's been highly efficient TD scorer this year.

But there is a salary cap and sending big money on RBs had shown to not be an effective strategy to sustainable winning roster building.

I wish him all the best going forward and who knows maybe he goes somewhere else and has 50 catches for 500+ yards like he did as a rookie and I'm still not sure I would have paid him big money as in today's NFL paying RBs just doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't know what the market will bear out, but as I said before, we could certainly do much worse at the position. 

Nick Sirianni, for some reason:

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yards/ catch 7.0, 6.1, 3.9

That's regression.

And that is due to the plays being called for him.  If you are catching a pass and being immediately tackled, that is on the play call more than Miles.

I think Howie's gonna find a way to bring back Bradberry, CGJ, and Hargrave. Where I think he's gonna make up for it is letting Edwards and Sanders go. And possibly Epps.

The Eagles don't value LB and RB much, if they keep their most productive players, they have fewer pressing needs, which means trading down in the draft is easier to do and they can supplement whatever they lose with the extra picks.

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

It is because I specifically said "after the catch."  Both he and Ertz caught the ball and the play ends there.

Except when putting up 500 yds on 50 catches after playing in an offense that featured the RB in the passing game

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

True but not in the context of a preceding statement arguing "He's just not as good as you think he is." Ertz was awesome, and we were super lucky to have him.

Yeah you're taking my comment out of context.  What a surprise 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't know what the market will bear out, but as I said before, we could certainly do much worse at the position. 

Absolutely, miles is a pro bowler for a reason, he's a big part of the eagles success this year but when it comes down to it RB isn't a premium position in today's NFL and even if Sanders is as good a receiver as you think he is why would one re sign him if the coaches/scheme dont  optimize/use that ability?

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Miles has not regressed, his targets have regressed. 

63, 52, 34, 26

Sure thats because we have proper receivers now? whereas 3 or 4 years ago we had travis fulgham and gregg ward?

We don't really need him to catch the ball

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think Howie's gonna find a way to bring back Bradberry, CGJ, and Hargrave. Where I think he's gonna make up for it is letting Edwards and Sanders go. And possibly Epps.

The Eagles don't value LB and RB much, if they keep their most productive players, they have fewer pressing needs, which means trading down in the draft is easier to do and they can supplement whatever they lose with the extra picks.

I’d love bring back bradberry. But i think he tests FA and someone overpays him. He’s likely looking at his last big contract so he goes for that. I do think hargrave and CJGJ are more likely to be back as they are guys i think who are in their primes still and worth the money. I hope they can bring back edwards but i also see him potentially getting overpaid if he reaches FA. Tbh i think white and Dean might be starting next year. I think white is going to be cheap to extend. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think people are missing the bigger picture, this is less about Mile Sanders, and more about paying him a good amount. When you have a bunch of free agents and having to give Jalen hurts an extension which is likely coming this off-season because if they wait a year, they’re likely gonna have to pay him even more if he plays as well as he did this year. 

so the fact that the Eagles like to get contracts done early, especially at quarterback, and the fact that they have 7-8 starters on D as FA and 2 on offense, do you want to pay your RB nice amount of coin when there’s more premium positions the eagles need to replace or extend? You have to be smart on the decisions on who you’re going to pay as Hurts extension looms. As much as the wizard is howie is with the cap at some point in time have to make financially smart decisions about who to extend and who to let walk  

 

I've tried to engage on this topic before - but many feel the cap is so fluid that Howie can manage nearly anything.  Unless free agent RBs are discounted even more than normal - I'd rather draft the position and save the $ for DT/CB/OL, you know the premium positions (even S, as I think CGJ or move impactful than Sanders).

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Absolutely, miles is a pro bowler for a reason, he's a big part of the eagles success this year but when it comes down to it RB isn't a premium position in today's NFL and even if Sanders is as good a receiver as you think he is why would one re sign him if the coaches/scheme dont  optimize/use that ability?

That's a different argument though. And actually one I would agree with if they ultimately decided to part ways with him. But to frame it as you initially did implies he's just useless as a receiver rather than being underutilized. It reminds me of when fans tried to paint Desean as being bad at route running or had mediocre hands, when he left for Washington. It made no sense because he was actually good at those things and fans were just trying to justify a poor decision made by the team.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that is due to the plays being called for him.  If you are catching a pass and being immediately tackled, that is on the play call more than Miles.

This is delusional.  He struggles after the catch because he doesn't have good vision or spatial awareness.  He lacks the "WR instincts" like McCaffrey or Kamara, where they run a route and instinctually know where the defenders are vs. where the green space is, how to set up blocking, how to take advantage of angles, etc. 

That's why the coaches have reduced his opportunities, because hes not making the most of them and we have better options.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that is due to the plays being called for him.  If you are catching a pass and being immediately tackled, that is on the play call more than Miles.

Maybe if he ran a better route he wouldnt be immediately available to tackle.

I've watched Sanders too many times catch the ball this year turn and freeze while trying to decipher where to run.

It's like when a RB tries to make 5 moves in the hole Instead if just hitting it.

Just catch the ball And turn up field Instead of freezing like a deer in the headlights.

Like I said he's been useless this year as a receiver,blame the scheme blame the coaches he didn't do enough with the ball in his hands as a receiver when given the opportunity.

I remember another game this year where he caught a screen and looked like it was going to go for a big gain and instead it went for like 5 yards because he ran directly into Into the back of his o lineman out in front of him.

I was scratching my head wondering what the hell was that.

Maybe the reason Sanders isn't used in the passing game is because he's not efficient doing so 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

This is delusional.  He struggles after the catch because he doesn't have good vision or spatial awareness.  He lacks the "WR instincts" like McCaffrey or Kamara, where they run a route and instinctually know where the defenders are vs. where the green space is, how to set up blocking, how to take advantage of angles, etc. 

That's why the coaches have reduced his opportunities, because hes not making the most of them and we have better options.

 The Miles haters are still on the "he has bad vision" train. I enjoy this place.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think people are missing the bigger picture, this is less about Mile Sanders, and more about paying him a good amount. When you have a bunch of free agents and having to give Jalen hurts an extension which is likely coming this off-season because if they wait a year, they’re likely gonna have to pay him even more if he plays as well as he did this year. 

here are the eagles free agents 

cjgj

epps

cox

graham

edwards

white

Bradberry

hargrave

joseph

Suh

seumalo

sanders

kelce (he’s either back or retiring)

so the fact that the Eagles like to get contracts done early, especially at quarterback, and the fact that they have 7-8 starters on D as FA and 2 on offense, do you want to pay your RB nice amount of coin when there’s more premium positions the eagles need to replace or extend? You have to be smart on the decisions on who you’re going to pay as Hurts extension looms. As much as the wizard is howie is with the cap at some point in time have to make financially smart decisions about who to extend and who to let walk  

 

Didn't they bring in Suh because Davis kept getting injured?

Might be time to move on from Cox

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Maybe if he ran a better route he wouldnt be immediately available to tackle.

I've watched Sanders too many times catch the ball this year turn and freeze while trying to decipher where to run.

It's like when a RB tries to make 5 moves in the hole Instead if just hitting it.

Just catch the ball And turn up field Instead of freezing like a deer in the headlights.

Like I said he's been useless this year as a receiver,blame the scheme blame the coaches he didn't do enough with the ball in his hands as a receiver when given the opportunity.

I remember another game this year where he caught a screen and looked like it was going to go for a big gain and instead it went for like 5 yards because he ran directly into Into the back of his o lineman out in front of him.

I was scratching my head wondering what the hell was that.

Maybe the reason Sanders isn't used in the passing game is because he's not efficient doing so 

This happens over and over and over again and theyll never see it.  Just like him immediately bolting for the sideline on 75% of his runs when there are more yards to be gained

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 The Miles haters are still on the "he has bad vision" train. I enjoy this place.

Well he does, sorry to burst your bubble. His vision is piss poor.