30 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not wishing anything, I just don't think it fiscally responsible In today's NFL to spend big money on a RB especially if he isn't a threat as a receiver.

If there was no cap I'd absolutely bring Sanders back, he's been great this year, he's shown better vision than last year better ability to break tackles and make the first guy miss, better patience in the hole and ability to set up his blocks and after scoring all of zero tds last year he's been highly efficient TD scorer this year.

But there is a salary cap and sending big money on RBs had shown to not be an effective strategy to sustainable winning roster building.

I wish him all the best going forward and who knows maybe he goes somewhere else and has 50 catches for 500+ yards like he did as a rookie and I'm still not sure I would have paid him big money as in today's NFL paying RBs just doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup miles in the past has left a lot of meat on the bone and this year while not as much there were still games where he left some meat on the bone.

I'm happy for him though,he had a great year some team will pay him,I hope it's not the eagles not be a use I don't like Sanders and don't want him in the team but because as stated I don't think it makes sense In today's NFL to give RBs big money contracts.

It's not shown to be a winning formula.

Phew, thankfully you clarified that you only hope we don't re-sign Sanders, rather than wishing we don't resign him. That's totally different from what I had first interpreted from your posts.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That's a different argument though. And actually one I would agree with if they ultimately decided to part ways with him. But to frame it as you initially did implies he's just useless as a receiver rather than being underutilized. It reminds me of when fans tried to paint Desean as being bad at route running or had mediocre hands, when he left for Washington. It made no sense because he was actually good at those things and fans were just trying to justify a poor decision made by the team.

I disagree that hes underutilized as a receiver, Id say he's over utilized as a receiver and the reason he isn't utilized more as a receiver is because he's not very good at it , which is one reason I wouldn't justify signing him to a big money contract 

If I'm signing a RB to big money in today's NFL he better be a heckuva good receiver too I stead of just a RB or it's not worth the money 

Guys like McCaffrey have more value be a use they are such good receivers, defenses have to game plan for the RB as a receiver.

No defense is Game planning against Sanders in the passing game because he doesnt consistently beat guys in coverage nor does he consistently do much with the ball when he does catch it.

He's a non factor as a receiving threat.

In today's NFL RB is a devalued position,TBs that aren't consistent threats in the passing game even more devalued.

53 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I truly only care about 1 player on this list. Resign CJGJ and I am happy. It would also be beneficial to resign TJ because you have a huge hole if both starters walk. 

I don’t know about you, but Bradberry makes a massive difference on this defense. This is probably the best corner tandem we’ve had since the early 2000s. There’s a reason why James Bradberry made second team all pro. Add on current starter if Bradberry isn’t back next year is McPhearson. And slay isn’t getting any younger. 

Just now, QBhunter58 said:

I truly only care about 1 player on this list. Resign CJGJ and I am happy. It would also be beneficial to resign TJ because you have a huge hole if both starters walk. 

I'd like both safeties back.  I think Epps is tremendously underrated.  He's not an All-Pro or anything but he's steady.  I know a lot like Blankenship in that role but I think for now, Blankenship is best off as safety 3 and ST contributor.  I'd bring BG back if he would take a big discount provided the snaps he plays.  He's been great this year with a smaller role.  

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah theyre not fair because you disagree with them.  That makes them unfair

They're not fair because they're not true. That's what makes them unfair.

Anyone who's interested and for anyone who has the ability to watch the channel, NBC Sports Philadelphia has 'Mission 57: Let's Fly', on tonight at 6:30. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

I disagree that hes underutilized as a receiver, Id say he's over utilized as a receiver and the reason he isn't utilized more as a receiver is because he's not very good at it , which is one reason I wouldn't justify signing him to a big money contract 

If I'm signing a RB to big money in today's NFL he better be a heckuva good receiver too I stead of just a RB or it's not worth the money 

Guys like McCaffrey have more value be a use they are such good receivers, defenses have to game plan for the RB as a receiver.

No defense is Game planning against Sanders in the passing game because he doesnt consistently beat guys in coverage nor does he consistently do much with the ball when he does catch it.

He's a non factor as a receiving threat.

In today's NFL RB is a devalued position,TBs that aren't consistent threats in the passing game even more devalued.

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well my semi-literate friend, I gotchu…

Rushing yards before contact: 

19 - 445, avg 2.5/attempt

20 - 497, 3.0

21 - 471, 3.4

22 - 837, 3.2

Thats not the exact one I was looking for, it was one of those fancy-pants analytical metrics. 

But just taking your numbers:  hes averaging 4.9 YPC this year, meaning hes getting 1.7 yards after contact.  

Where does that rank him?  

According to this random site I just googled, its not good:  https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.php

Filter by yards after contact per attempt.  Hes waaaaay down the list

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know about you, but Bradberry makes a massive difference on this defense. This is probably the best corner tandem we’ve had since the early 2000s. There’s a reason why James Bradberry made second team all pro. Add on currently starter if Bradberry isn’t back next year is McPhearson. And slay isn’t getting any younger. 

Neither is bradberry. If he takes a one year we can talk. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I'd like both safeties back.  I think Epps is tremendously underrated.  He's not an All-Pro or anything but he's steady.  I know a lot like Blankenship in that role but I think for now, Blankenship is best off as safety 3 and ST contributor.  I'd bring BG back if he would take a big discount provided the snaps he plays.  He's been great this year with a smaller role.  

I agree with you here. I like Epps a lot as well, he is a grinder and plays his role well. He also wont be expensive. But, if they dont resign him, it wont really bother me in the way it will if they cant lock up CJGJ. However, I think we have a good chance to keep both... The culture of the team and the winning make this a desirable destination. 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have a hard time seeing us spend a second round pick on an RB considering all the potential holes on this roster. Plus, we should just sign the last good FA RB remaining for a cheapish deal and spend the premium pick on a premium position. 

My gut feeling is they will bring back Sanders at a reasonable price.  I think Sanders is good for what they need at RB.  They don't need a feature back because they just don't utilize the RB that much.  Sure, they could consider a 3 down RB but I am not sure what that gets them.  Any rookie is going to have a learning curve to the NFL game in terms of blitz pick up and route running.  Also increased utilization of one player at that position increases the risk of injury.  Teams have to limit touches in order to preserve the health of the back. My hope is that they add depth and look at adding a bigger back or even potentially a FB.  I think there's a role for a lead blocker in a running game that relies on Hurts.  

17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So he suddenly gained vision this year, after suddenly losing the ability to be useful as a receiver in his rookie year. Weird how the switches just keep flipping on and off for him like that.

Lots of players stats fluctuate throughout their careers.

Sanders receiving stats have regressed every year 

You want to blame scheme his QB anybody but him and I'm saying from what I've watched he's just not been very good this year as a receiver 

2 first downs receiving, 3.9 yards/ catch 4.4 after catch which he was over 7 yards after the catch the previous year in the same scheme 

Seems like obvious regression to me.

 

7 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Neither is bradberry. If he takes a one year we can talk. 

I agree with you here. I like Epps a lot as well, he is a grinder and plays his role well. He also wont be expensive. But, if they dont resign him, it wont really bother me in the way it will if they cant lock up CJGJ. However, I think we have a good chance to keep both... The culture of the team and the winning make this a desirable destination. 

Bradberry is 30. We traded for slay at 29 going on 30 and gave him the deal he got. If slay is playing at a high level til 32 going onto 33 I’m guessing he likely can to. Usually with contracts the eagles have a way out at the end of 2 or 3 years. I’m fine with the Eagles set up a contract that decent for Bradberry that they could get out of in three years. There is no way in hell James Bradberry at 30 years old is taking a one-year contract went on the open market somebody’s probably gonna give them a five-year deal which, at least he’s guarantee through the first two years of the deal. 

please let me know your plan is at corner, cause if slay declines more next year and mcphearson still shows nothing you are in a bunch of trouble. Also if you choose someone at 10 they might not be good enough as a rookie. I don’t think you realize just how good James Bradberry’s been this year and how he’s helped both slay, CJGJ and even our pass rush 
 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Thats not the exact one I was looking for, it was one of those fancy-pants analytical metrics. 

But just taking your numbers:  hes averaging 4.9 YPC this year, meaning hes getting 1.7 yards after contact.  

Where does that rank him?  

According to this random site I just googled, its not good:  https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.php

Filter by yards after contact per attempt.  Hes waaaaay down the list

 

He's a speed back, not a bruiser. Of course he's gonna rank low on the list for yards after contact. Other speed backs like McCaffrey, Kamara, etc would rank low as well. Have you not watched enough football to discern the different running styles? How is this even a serious discussion anymore?

This is out of control now

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

He's a speed back, not a bruiser. Of course he's gonna rank low on the list for yards after contact. Other speed backs like McCaffrey, Kamara, etc would rank low as well. Have you not watched enough football to discern the different running styles? How is this even a serious discussion anymore?

Dude it was Toronto Eagles stat, I was just going with it for the purposes of this discussion.   Go complain to him for bringing up YAC.  

I agree it doesnt show exactly what we are talking about, but Im not an analytics guy so I wouldn't even know how to search for the stat Im thinking of.  

@ManuManu youre an analytics guru, do you know what Im talking about?  I think you posted it a while ago.  It was like "Expected Yards vs. Yards Gained" or something like that

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is out of control now

Looking at Daboll, I don't think he's turned down many stuffed crust pizzas.

I want Gardner-Johnson, Hargrave, Seumalo, and Sanders back. The rest we'll figure out when the time comes. I know we're not keeping them all and that some of the losses might feel painful in the moment, but they'll find guys. The sky won't fall.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is out of control now

Reporter talking to the other media members before asking the pizza question

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Dude it was Toronto Eagles stat, I was just going with it for the purposes of this discussion.   Go complain to him for bringing up YAC.  

I agree it doesnt show exactly what we are talking about, but Im not an analytics guy so I wouldn't even know how to search for the stat Im thinking of.  

@ManuManu youre an analytics guru, do you know what Im talking about?  I think you posted it a while ago.  It was like "Expected Yards vs. Yards Gained" or something like that

Hopefully you can find the analytics stats that shows Sanders has piss poor vision, is useless as a receiver, can't pass protect, drinks the wrong kind of coffee, etc. Hell, it's a wonder how he even gets any playing time at all! I bet he has some dirt on Sirianni that's he threatening to black mail him with. It's clearly the only explanation. 

 

I really don't see any problems with Sanders besides his ability to stay on the field over the years.  I think he's clearly a top back, but I also see the argument with not keeping him depending what he asks for.  

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He's a speed back, not a bruiser. Of course he's gonna rank low on the list for yards after contact. Other speed backs like McCaffrey, Kamara, etc would rank low as well. Have you not watched enough football to discern the different running styles? How is this even a serious discussion anymore?

CMC

678 yards before contact, avg 2.8 per attempt

Kamara

448 for 2.0 avg

 

What this stat shows is how good the o line is. Sanders gets almost a full yard on some of the top RBs because of how good our o line is

8 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I want Gardner-Johnson, Hargrave, Seumalo, and Sanders back. The rest we'll figure out when the time comes. I know we're not keeping them all and that some of the losses might feel painful in the moment, but they'll find guys. The sky won't fall.

I love seumalo more than most on here but i think there’s a higher chance he’s gone. My thoughts the eagles likely believe stoutland can identify a guy in the draft in the 2-3rd round and have him playing well as a rookie. Plus save the money to put towards another position. Have to also remember. Dickerson is up for an extension at the end of the 2023 season. I can’t see them paying seumalo and Dickerson the type of money they are going to command.

Interesting question, hypothetically bradberry costs the same as seumalo and sanders who do you want back? I think all 3 likely have 3 high quality years left in them (seumalo as a guard might have more). I prefer bradberry just cause i think the way the league is set up now having good to great corners is a huge advantage. I think stoutland is a great oline coach and we could find a good replacement for seumalo even though i hate losing seumalo. I also think sanders as a running back the positional value hurts him. Also seumalo and sanders have been banged up in the past so that also factors in. 

I just don't think its a good allocation of resources to pay a RB a 2nd contract. I don't care who it is. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

CMC

678 yards before contact, avg 2.8 per attempt

Kamara

448 for 2.0 avg

 

What this stat shows is how good the o line is Hurts is as a runner. Sanders gets almost a full yard on some of the top RBs because of how good our o line is Hurts is as a runner

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