7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's what we killed them with the first game. And Wink has dropped back blitzing a lot in the second half of the season. I don't think its going to be as easy a third time around. 

Sometimes, football is as simple as: play 2 high? get run on. play single high? Throw vertical. 

We're one of the few teams that is able to be good at both.

 

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I hope we have a better plan for dealing with Martindale's heavy blitzing than just spamming WR screens. Nick and Shane have their work cut out for them in that department. Jalen too. He can't bail from the pocket. That'll be a big part of this game. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of pre-snap blitz looks that become pretty basic zone coverage either.

 

A healthy dose of Goedert screens drawn up in the right way should be of benefit.  That plus a few calls where we get Brown on single coverage downfield and where the set allows for us to maximize protection with Brown the only actual target.  Hurts only needs a small amount of time and can loft up a quick deep ball for Brown to win. 

I'm curious which sap team is going to bring in Lamar Jackson if the Ravens franchise him and he forces his way out.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah they are opting out of that current deal. 

Has a bunch of voidable years.

2023 cap hit if on the roster, 3.1 million

2023 cap hit if released, 10.6 million

I was inspecting a list of additions to FSU's roster from the Transfer Portal and I can across this name:

Fentrell Cypress II.

I would have thought that one Fentrell Cypress in the world would be sufficient.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Has a bunch of voidable years.

2023 cap hit if on the roster, 10.6 million

2023 cap hit if released, 18.2 million

I’m looking at this. Maybe they are wrong but his dead hit in 2023 would be 1.5 mil

 

 

i know the other site has this as post June 1st cut 

From The Athletic article about Miles Sanders

Sanders’ average of 4.9 yards per carry this season tied for seventh-best among running backs. If he had as many carries as Tennessee’s Derrick Henry, who led the league in attempts, and still averaged 4.9 yards, Sanders would have had a league-leading 1,710 yards. As it was, he finished fourth.

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I'm curious which sap team is going to bring in Lamar Jackson if the Ravens franchise him and he forces his way out.

Seems like a Dan Snyder type player if Dan ends up not selling

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Looking at the opt out it’s 1.5 dead money and 4.05 against the cap. He’s not gonna be back. 

Are you looking at Spotrac? Their breakdown doesn't make any sense to me. OTC shows differently too (who I find to be more reliable). 

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bradberry is 30. We traded for slay at 29 going on 30 and gave him the deal he got. If slay is playing at a high level til 32 going onto 33 I’m guessing he likely can to. Usually with contracts the eagles have a way out at the end of 2 or 3 years. I’m fine with the Eagles set up a contract that decent for Bradberry that they could get out of in three years. There is no way in hell James Bradberry at 30 years old is taking a one-year contract went on the open market somebody’s probably gonna give them a five-year deal which, at least he’s guarantee through the first two years of the deal. 

please let me know your plan is at corner, cause if slay declines more next year and mcphearson still shows nothing you are in a bunch of trouble. Also if you choose someone at 10 they might not be good enough as a rookie. I don’t think you realize just how good James Bradberry’s been this year and how he’s helped both slay, CJGJ and even our pass rush 
 

It's a position of value and a need in the short term.  I think they should definitely be targeting CB early in the draft.  I wouldn't mind it if they re-signed Bradberry. I think he's probably going to have a better market in free agency but it's not like every team is going to break the bank for a 30 year old CB.  He also may like playing for a team that's in contention and that's not certain on the open market.  

 

29 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I want Gardner-Johnson, Hargrave, Seumalo, and Sanders back. The rest we'll figure out when the time comes. I know we're not keeping them all and that some of the losses might feel painful in the moment, but they'll find guys. The sky won't fall.

I think moving on from Hargrave is probably the right call.  It may be a year too early but that's better than a year too late.  I agree on Gardner-Johnson, Seumalo and Sanders.  

If it is only 1.5 then that would be worth every penny

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m looking at this. Maybe they are wrong but his dead hit in 2023 would be 1.5 mil

 

I already corrected my post as my numbers were  incorrect.

When you do void years, all the future cap hist accelerate to the current year if you are released.

So these 3 in orange amounts all accelerate if released.

 

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Graham has repeatedly said he wants to play 15 seasons in the NFL. I'm not a fan of keeping older players too long but it's hard to make that argument with how well he's played this year. He's also the type of player it's hard to imagine playing somewhere else. I think it's almost a lock he's going to be back next year, if not get a 2 year deal to get to 15 seasons. 

perfectly fine with BG coming back.  Provided it's a limited role and the Eagles don't consider him a starter and fail to find a replacement in some capacity.  Can't continue to ignore young DE depth.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I already corrected my post as my numbers are correct.

When you do void years, all the future cap hist accelerate to the current year if you are released.

So these 3 in orange amounts all accelerate if released.

 

Pre June 1st it does that. It’s 10.7 mil dead money and 7 mil against the cap.  However post June 1st this is what it looks like. I’m guessing it was never going to be pre June 1st cut. If otc is correct they are actually better off keeping Barnett this year  

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m looking at this. Maybe they are wrong but his dead hit in 2023 would be 1.5 mil

 

 

i know the other site has this as post June 1st cut 

 

This is why Spotrac makes no sense to me. His cap hit in 2022 is $2,669,176 and they say only $1.5M dead money in the out. Ok well that's only $4,169,176. And that's not even close to the GTD at signing of $6M or total guaranteed $8M (which $2M was for injury, so he's probably getting that now). Their calculations just don't add up. 

And if you read this, a 3rd source shows something different than the other 2.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/full-details-derek-barnetts-new-contract-eagles

Quote

If Barnett plays through the length of this contract, it will still leave just over $7.2 million in dead cap for the 2024 season.

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is why Spotrac makes no sense to me. His cap hit in 2022 is $2,669,176 and they say only $1.5M dead money in the out. Ok well that's only $4,169,176. And that's not even close to the GTD at signing of $6M or total guaranteed $8M (which $2M was for injury, so he's probably getting that now). Their calculations just don't add up. 

And if you read this, a 3rd source shows something different than the other 2.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/full-details-derek-barnetts-new-contract-eagles

 

So if OTC is correct it makes more sense just to keep Barnett next year at 3.1 mil cause the dead money and cap savings is slightly more if post June 1. Pre June 1 isn’t happening with that dead money hit and negative 7 mil cap savings. I’m guessing the following year it would be a post June 1 cut looking at it. 

that contract looks even worse now cause he got hurt. It wasn’t great before unless Barnett took off which feels like it wasn’t likely. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think people are missing the bigger picture, this is less about Mile Sanders, and more about paying him a good amount. When you have a bunch of free agents and having to give Jalen hurts an extension which is likely coming this off-season because if they wait a year, they’re likely gonna have to pay him even more if he plays as well as he did this year. 

here are the eagles free agents 

cjgj

epps

cox

graham

edwards

white

Bradberry

hargrave

joseph

Suh

seumalo

sanders

kelce (he’s either back or retiring)

so the fact that the Eagles like to get contracts done early, especially at quarterback, and the fact that they have 7-8 starters on D as FA and 2 on offense, do you want to pay your RB nice amount of coin when there’s more premium positions the eagles need to replace or extend? You have to be smart on the decisions on who you’re going to pay as Hurts extension looms. As much as the wizard is howie is with the cap at some point in time have to make financially smart decisions about who to extend and who to let walk  

 

 

53 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

I like Sanders probably more than most on here, but there’s no denying paying him just doesn’t make sense. I’d be all for it if he’s taking a very team friendly deal, but as an NFL running back, you can’t do that to yourself. The window to make money is very narrow. 
 

My top 3 from that list are:

CJGJ

Bradberry 

Hargrave 

Beyond those three I’d focus on TJ and Epps next. 

Im not counting Kelce because obviously if he wants to be back, he’ll be here. To an extent I think BG is in that same situation. 

Looking at the full list, both Joseph and Sun Will more than likely be on Howie’s Bell Squad.  They will avoid having to go through Training Camp that way, and also more than likely have a shorter season of games, like they did this year.

Both Epps and White are potentially replaceable internally … Epps with Blankenship and White with Dean/Ellis’s, so they are pretty close to the bottom of my priority list.  

Graham, Cox and Kielce all fit into a category of their own.  If they want to come back, and the price is right (heavily weighted toward incentive payments) then I’ll be happy to have them back.  Cox wouldn’t have been in that category based on his play in the first half of the year, but the Cox we have seen on the field in the second half of the year has been outstanding, especially in the larger context of the D-Line as a unit.  But the price for Cox has to be right.  Another factor with respect to Cox is what the plan is (if anything) for Noah Elliss.  

I believe both Sanders and Seumalo are gone.  Seumalo might be back if Kielce decides not to return, but I don’t see any way Seumalo is back if Kielce decides to play on more year.

That leaves CJGJ and Bradberry and Hargrove and Edwards.  If money weren’t an issue I would love to have CJGJ and Bradbury and Hargrove all back, but money is an issue, one in the case of Bradberry age is also a consideration.  I believe Howie will negotiate with Bradberry, but also talk to Cameron Sutton, Byron Murphy, Rock Ya-Sin, Patrick Peterson, Jamel Dean, and possibly others looking for a one-year "prove it” player like Bradberry was this year.  That will be about $10 million a year cheaper with hopefully as good production.  Edwards can be replaced, but if the price is right I’m nod averse to keeping him.

CJGJ are the priorities on that list, and CJGJ’s recent comments about how much happier he is here than in New Orleans is a good sign.

Who the heck is big #50?

I wonder if it gets tiring listening to loud rap music every day at practice. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Challenge accepted.  Scott will get his yards and maybe a catch or two.  They will scheme him for a TD.  

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Graham has repeatedly said he wants to play 15 seasons in the NFL. I'm not a fan of keeping older players too long but it's hard to make that argument with how well he's played this year. He's also the type of player it's hard to imagine playing somewhere else. I think it's almost a lock he's going to be back next year, if not get a 2 year deal to get to 15 seasons. 

I've seen BG mentioned as fans perfectly fine with bringing him back. Haven't seen any comments about Cox though

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm curious which sap team is going to bring in Lamar Jackson if the Ravens franchise him and he forces his way out.

I've seen Jets. That would be hilarious 

Boston Scott has been close as a kickoff returner vs. the Giants too. Giants are 23rd in ST DVOA.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if OTC is correct it makes more sense just to keep Barnett next year at 3.1 mil cause the dead money and cap savings is more. I’m guessing the following year it would be a post June 1 cut looking at it. 

That's how I always understood it because if stuff is guaranteed and prorated, it has to come due at some point. Unless there is some really off the wall thing put in his contract and it's just too complicated for these websites to explain. 

31 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I hope we have a better plan for dealing with Martindale's heavy blitzing than just spamming WR screens. Nick and Shane have their work cut out for them in that department. Jalen too. He can't bail from the pocket. That'll be a big part of this game. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of pre-snap blitz looks that become pretty basic zone coverage either.

 

 

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

A lot of Deep, vertical shots.

Hopefully a lot of hot routes over the middle to Smith and Brown.  The blitzing DBs should open up routes like that … and YAC opportunities after the catch.  I’m not a fan of the bubble screens.  Goedert should be able to use the areas the blitzes vacate to good advantage.  Watkins can provide the vertical shot threat so the DBs are spread out.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pre June 1st it does that. It’s 10.7 mil dead money and 7 mil against the cap.  However post June 1st this is what it looks like. I’m guessing it was never going to be pre June 1st cut. If otc is correct they are actually better off keeping Barnett this year

The way they set this up, the pro rated bonus is into future years, so when you use the cut post June 1st mode, it is not pulling the 3 futures 1.977 million cap hits into the equation.

 

 

To calculate his 2023 and 2024 cap hits for a post June 1 release, you have to add all five prorated bonuses out to 2027, totaling 9,192,000, and then split that up over 2023/2024.

You then also have to determine if the guaranteed salary is already guaranteed, and it if is, that 1.5 million has to be added to the 9,192,000 ( that is the 10.692 number showing in the dead cap column when you first load the page ) and then split that up over 2023/2024 for a post June 1 release.