2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

This is some shade being thrown at people unknown

 

Well, they aren’t wrong.  The desirability of a team/staff impacts this, but the real definition of managing a cap well is simply winning the +/- in proven veteran talent that is moving about the league in search of more money.

I think that metric favors Howie as well.  But I agree that simply not being in cap trouble is silly.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Obviously I meant the Super Bowl.  Did you think I really meant he hadn't won anything ??

You are wrong, I think he won a preseason game once or twice. 

 

Therefore, a winner. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You are wrong, I think he won a preseason game once or twice. 

 

Therefore, a winner. 

I mean, his winning pre dates the NFL.

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Andy never won a SB until he got Mahomes.  That's the point.  That is what "won" means.  Winning it all.  Not winning games.  IT ALL

Actually that's not what "won" means.  Andy Reid's resume spoke for itself - and that was even prior to him winning a Super Bowl.   Andy Reid is and has been a "winning coach".

 So you would have preferred a dozen seasons of not making the playoffs or being "one and done" here in Philly like we were basically doing prior to the "Andy Reid era"?  Bad or selective memory, perhaps?

Andy Reid is one of the best head coaches in Eagles history and he's gone on to become a Hall of Fame coach while in KC.  

 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

So you would have preferred a dozen seasons of not making the playoffs or being "one and done" here in Philly like we were basically doing prior to the "Andy Reid era"?  Bad or selective memory, perhaps?

Looking, back, yes.  I would have taken a bunch of crap around it for McNabb to have won a title.  Instead we had to wait for Andy to leave and Nick Foles to pull a miracle run.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Lucked into being right? There was no luck about it.  I outlined specifically the path forward for improvement for him.  It wasn't luck at all. It was recognizing who Jalen was, his work ethic and all the things that were working in his favor leading into this season that made a continue keep forward all the more likely. 

Idfk why I’m addressing this. But I’m bored. So here goes.

I’ll give you the work ethic thing. But regardless of work ethic, no QB in the history of the NFL has made even close to the jump Jalen has in one offseason. I can’t remember a single QB ever that couldn’t throw a timing pass but learned it in the league. Or a QB who struggled with accuracy, but became deadly accurate. Or a QB who couldn’t read a defense and all the sudden is checking into plays that work. And he did all three in one offseason. The chance of that all happening was less than 1%, regardless of work ethic. No one could have actually EXPECTED that. Believed it could happen, sure. And you did that. But anyone who claims they knew it would happen, isn’t living in reality, because that should have been impossible. Kudos to Jalen. But you got lucky, brah. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Well, they aren’t wrong.  The desirability of a team/staff impacts this, but the real definition of managing a cap well is simply winning the +/- in proven veteran talent that is moving about the league in search of more money.

I think that metric favors Howie as well.  But I agree that simply not being in cap trouble is silly.

Bad contracts given to players can mean you steal from the future to make space to compete now rather than accept some immediate pain.  Something Howie has done since 2018/2019; the cap is full of funny money to get around the Wentz, Jackson, Brooks, etc contracts.  At least the drafting has improved to compensate a bit

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Looking, back, yes.  I would have taken a bunch of crap around it for McNabb to have won a title.  Instead we had to wait for Andy to leave and Nick Foles to pull a miracle run.

Are you insinuating that Andy Reid "held McNabb back" from winning a title? 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

One guy did

He believed in it so much that he still chose to run it even after the 49ers saw it and thought to themselves, "What the F are these idiots doing,” and then called a timeout.

And I’m so glad he did. 😂

I've been entertained. Thanks

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

Idfk why I’m addressing this. But I’m bored. So here goes.

I’ll give you the work ethic thing. But regardless of work ethic, no QB in the history of the NFL has made even close to the jump Jalen has in one offseason. I can’t remember a single QB ever that couldn’t throw a timing pass but learned it in the league. Or a QB who struggled with accuracy, but became deadly accurate. Or a QB who couldn’t read a defense and all the sudden is checking into plays that work. And he did all three in one offseason. The chance of that all happening was less than 1%, regardless of work ethic. No one could have actually EXPECTED that. Believed it could happen, sure. And you did that. But anyone who claims they knew it would happen, isn’t living in reality, because that should have been impossible. Kudos to Jalen. But you got lucky, brah. 

Thank you.  Regardless of what side you are on in any discussion, both sides have to be reasonable.  I think why some folks, me included, still push back a little on Hurts, even acknowledging how good he has been, is you have the other side that is so over the top on the praise of him, and themselves for being right.

But remember, you are not talking to the guy that said "The Eagles season ended the moment Carson Wentz tore his ACL" and then got banned for celebrating a Nick Foles injury the following season.  He truly has never recovered from that.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Are you insinuating that Andy Reid "held McNabb back" from winning a title? 

Twisting words much.  All I said, is I would take the title over a bunch of almost's, even if I had to deal with crap around it.

You can honestly say you would rather have the 3 NFFCG losses over 1 title ??

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They very much can as well. 

Can Purdy make deep throws under pressure?  We may not allow the time at all. 

I think we play them similar to how we played the gints.  Stout middle, good edges, cover 1 and force them to make downfield plays.  Burden is greatest on our LBs for the short stuff because the rush cant get there fast enough to disrupt those plays. 

   

McNabb was a good QB that just wasn't great.  Whatever that extra gear is, whatever that X-factor is, McNabb simply just didn't have it. 

Mahomes is a great QB that has that extra kick to him.

Reid did the most with what McNabb gave him.  But then again, Reid didn't surround McNabb with half the talent Mahomes has until we got T.O., so who knows. 

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Thank you.  Regardless of what side you are on in any discussion, both sides have to be reasonable.  I think why some folks, me included, still push back a little on Hurts, even acknowledging how good he has been, is you have the other side that is so over the top on the praise of him, and themselves for being right.

But remember, you are not talking to the guy that said "The Eagles season ended the moment Carson Wentz tore his ACL" and then got banned for celebrating a Nick Foles injury the following season.  He truly has never recovered from that.

So the reality is that your entire "pushback" on Hurts is because of ONE poster.  We're getting somewhere here.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Twisting words much.  All I said, is I would take the title over a bunch of almost's, even if I had to deal with crap around it.

You can honestly say you would rather have the 3 NFFCG losses over 1 title ??

Not at all.  But I'm wise enough to realize that one of the major reasons the Eagles were so extremely competitive during the Andy Reid era is because of.....Andy Reid. 

Just now, jamiller said:

Can Purdy make deep throws under pressure?  We may not allow the time at all. 

I think we play them similar to how we played the gints.  Stout middle, good edges, cover 1 and force them to make downfield plays.  Burden is greatest on our LBs for the short stuff because the rush cant get there fast enough to disrupt those plays. 

   

CJGJ is going to have to have the game of his career this week.  Him playing in the slot, covering the middle of the field, is probably the biggest chess piece we have to play with. 

I wonder if Gannon has some crazy sub-package up his sleeve.  Something to confuse Purdy while the pass rush hopefully rushes his timing.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

So the reality is that your entire "pushback" on Hurts is because of ONE poster.  We're getting somewhere here.  

Nothing I post here has anything to do with one poster, or any poster.

I just had to turn off WIP as the Hurts love fest is actually quite sickening.  He passed for 145 yards on Saturday.  Meanwhile the O-Line and RB's put in work, Miles got tough yards between the tackles, Kenny G was huge, not a mention of them at all.  At some point, it has to be about the team and not 1 player.  

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One and done.  I’d suspect most people would say that.  And again, when someone says "he hasn’t won anything” most of the time they are talking about a Championship.   
 

What’s the point of your last paragraph.   What does that have to do with anything?   Fact is, h never won anything until he got Mahomes.  That’s a fact.  

Your definition of "never won anything" is vastly different than mine or just about anyone else's on the planet. 

And yet - he won a Super Bowl - with the guy he drafted and developed.   So moot point. 

 

7 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Can Purdy make deep throws under pressure?  We may not allow the time at all. 

I think we play them similar to how we played the gints.  Stout middle, good edges, cover 1 and force them to make downfield plays.  Burden is greatest on our LBs for the short stuff because the rush cant get there fast enough to disrupt those plays. 

   

That would be my worry. They can run the ball well and I think they are going to pick on the LB's with short throws and guys picking up YAC on slants or screens. They might dial up a Purdy deep shot at some point but I would be more concerned about everything else. My biggest fear is our tackling sucks and they pick up a lot more yards than they should because of it. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Nothing I post here has anything to do with one poster, or any poster.

I just had to turn off WIP as the Hurts love fest is actually quite sickening.  He passed for 145 yards on Saturday.  Meanwhile the O-Line and RB's put in work, Miles got tough yards between the tackles, Kenny G was huge, not a mention of them at all.  At some point, it has to be about the team and not 1 player.  

So why have you been comparing Hurts to Allen and Purdy most of the day? 

4 minutes ago, blindside said:

Idfk why I’m addressing this. But I’m bored. So here goes.

I’ll give you the work ethic thing. But regardless of work ethic, no QB in the history of the NFL has made even close to the jump Jalen has in one offseason. I can’t remember a single QB ever that couldn’t throw a timing pass but learned it in the league. Or a QB who struggled with accuracy, but became deadly accurate. Or a QB who couldn’t read a defense and all the sudden is checking into plays that work. And he did all three in one offseason. The chance of that all happening was less than 1%, regardless of work ethic. No one could have actually EXPECTED that. Believed it could happen, sure. And you did that. But anyone who claims they knew it would happen, isn’t living in reality, because that should have been impossible. Kudos to Jalen. But you got lucky, brah. 

 

Josh Allen made the leap so we saw that it could be done.  There were very real factors that I brought up continuously that were just tossed aside and ridiculed.  Jalen was never some widely in accurate thrower.  It wasn't like he was throwing those uncatxhable off target throws.  So seeing his completion percentage continue to improve was going to happen.  He was entering this year with the same OC for the first time since high school and that continuity is a huge deal that factored into many things.  Factored into his comfort in the offense, allowing him to quickly process and know where players will be on any given play.  That helps you with your progressions and reading the field.  That let's you get through quicker and disect a defense.  Also the skill players on offense along with Jalen were very fresh and inexperienced last year along with a very young and inexpierenced coaching staff.  There was so much clear room for growth heading into this year especially when you then factored in gong in a talent like AJ Brown. 

I didn't grt lucky on anything.  I wasn't jerking myself off like so many in here just echoing what this hivemind was saying as if it was some determined fact when discussing Jalen and his development.  Just wbcuase you were too ignorant to see it doesn't mean everyone else was. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The point is he never won until he drafted that guy.  Won as in the SB.  That’s the point.  

Patrick Mahomes didn't start until his 2nd season.  So no, he didn't "magically win the Super Bowl" as soon as he drafted Mahomes.  He took a "high ceiling/low floor prospect" and turned him into a Super Bowl winning QB - among the best in the NFL.

Like I previously said, "It's not one or the other.  It's a two-way street. " 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nothing I post here has anything to do with one poster, or any poster.

I just had to turn off WIP as the Hurts love fest is actually quite sickening.  He passed for 145 yards on Saturday.  Meanwhile the O-Line and RB's put in work, Miles got tough yards between the tackles, Kenny G was huge, not a mention of them at all.  At some point, it has to be about the team and not 1 player.  

To be fair, he came out throwing, I think he started 8 for 8 with two TDs?  Something like that.

 

As for the rest, like it or not the QB gets most of the credit and most of the blame. If we lose he will get criticism even if it wasn't his fault.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok?  Who said that?  

Nobody. 

What I said was "Andy did not win a Super Bowl until he had the best QB of his generation"