20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He coached the best team in the NFL with the best record all season. They finished with more wins above their preseason over/under of all the teams and their coaches in the running. They had the best record in the NFL against playoff caliber teams.

The guy who coached the best team is the best coach. This isn’t nuclear physics.

But you knew all these facts, yet you continue to always try to play devil’s advocate just for the hell of it.

That isn’t how they vote. They vote for the coach who did the best job, not the coach who coaches the best team. Coaches with 7-9 records have won the award before. Belichick has maybe 2 of them his entire godlike career.

And Philly didn’t beat their preseason win/loss projection by as many as Jax did, people were putting Philly in the NFCCG in preseason. There were people saying Jacksonville would battle Houston for #1 overall

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Chiefs had the same record, and also improved his team ( +2 wins ) in a stronger conference.  So Andy should also be in the field then.

Looking back through the coach of the year winners, it is not about who wins the most games.

2021 - Mike Vrabel

2020 - Kevin Stefanski

2019 - John Harbaugh ( best record in the NFL )

2018 - Matt Nagy

2017 - Sean McVay

2016 - Jason Garrett

I was talking only about Nick as I already said before. Why are you arguing with me?

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Your contrarian shtick is tired, dude.

Considering the actual voters don’t have NS in the top three, is he really wrong? Take off your blinders for a minute

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That isn’t how they vote. They vote for the coach who did the best job, not the coach who coaches the best team. A coach with a 7-9 record has won the award before. Belichick has maybe 2 of them his entire career.

And Philly didn’t beat their preseason win/loss projection by as many as Jax did, people were putting Philly in the NFCCG in preseason. There were people saying Jacksonville would battle Houston for #1 overall

 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

(Only counting regular season)

- Best record in the NFL - 14-3

- Won the NFC East Division 

- Top seed in the NFC

- Helped in the development of Jalen Hurts.  Hurts went from being a "jury is still out” prospect (for a lot of fans)  to an MVP candidate this year.

- Helped cater the offense to this team’s strengths.  Went from primarily a run offense last year to a well balanced attack. (Very difficult to defend against.)

- Game planning has been among the best in the NFL this season

- Top two WR’s had historically good years - first time in Philadelphia history that both #1 and #2 receivers broke both the yardage records and catch records for WR’s. (Sirianni specializes in WR development)

- Has been able to successfully delegate defensive responsibilities to his coordinators, making the Eagles defense among the best in the NFL 

 

My replies in regards to Andy Reid also not being a candidate

 

Same Record

Won the AFC West Division

Top seed in the AFC

Helped in the development of Patrick Mahomes ( remember two days ago folks were adamant that Reid developed him )

Helped cater the offense to his teams strength ( went from a vertical offense and lost the 2nd leading receiver in the NFL )

Game planning has been among the best in the NFL replacing Tyreek Hill with far lesser talent

Patrick Mahomes had one of the best seasons in the NFL while removing talent from the WR room

The only point I can not apply to Andy if the Chiefs having the best defense, but yet they have the same record as the Eagles.

IMO, Andy Reid is a stronger candidate, as he coached the Chiefs to the same record, while removing talent from his offense instead of adding it.

5 hours ago, rrfierce said:

I don't think either of them has made a particularly big impact individually, but when you put all them all together its a big hole to fill.

I think they resign hargrave, let cox, suh and joseph go and sign another DT

Don’t forget, they have another DT on the PUP, Noah Eliss. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

My replies in regards to Andy Reid also not being a candidate

 

Same Record

Won the AFC West Division

Top seed in the AFC

Helped in the development of Patrick Mahomes ( remember two days ago folks were adamant that Reid developed him )

Helped cater the offense to his teams strength ( went from a vertical offense and lost the 2nd leading receiver in the NFL )

Game planning has been among the best in the NFL replacing Tyreek Hill with far lesser talent

Patrick Mahomes had one of the best seasons in the NFL while removing talent from the WR room

The only point I can not apply to Andy if the Chiefs having the best defense, but yet they have the same record as the Eagles.

IMO, Andy Reid is a stronger candidate, as he coached the Chiefs to the same record, while removing talent from his offense instead of adding it.

I think Andy Reid deserves consideration.  But doesn’t take away from the fact that Sirianni does as well. 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Your contrarian shtick is tired, dude. And I think you're addicted to arguing. Relax.

Why is it contrarian, those are facts.

Go look at the history of coaches who won the award, it is rarely the team with the best record.  It actually hurts you in this award as the team who has the most wins generally has the most talent.

Doug won the Maxwell coach of the year in 2017, but he did not win the AP award, the one we are talking about.  That was won by Sean McVay, even though Doug had two more wins and a regular season head to head win over McVay in a game he lost his potential MVP quarterback.

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If anybody should feel snubbed in coach of the year talks, it’s Pete Carroll. Many thought Seattle would own the number one pick going into the year and he got them into the playoffs. Truly remarkable job he did this year

Yeah, but we don't like him so he doesn't get to participate.

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That isn’t how they vote. They vote for the coach who did the best job, not the coach who coaches the best team. 7-9 coaches have won the award before. Belichick has maybe 2 of them.

And Philly didn’t not beat their preseason win/loss projection by as many as Jax did, people were putting Philly in the NFCCG in preseason. There were people saying Jacksonville would battle Houston for #1 overall

The coach who coaches the best team did do the best job. I don't see how this is complicated here. They were the best team in large part because of the coaching. And the jump Hurts made is pretty unprecedented from one year to the next, thanks to their coaching.

Doug did a good job. Sirianni was better.

And you're making my case for me with the Belichick point. Like I said, who wins the award is irrelevant. The voters vote for narratives. By this logic, Sirianni could've gone 17-0 and not win because the roster is good. So basically, he couldn't win the award no matter what he did. Which shows you how laughable it all is.

Out of those three candidates that are left, it should go to Doug. Shanahan had a really good roster coming into the season. They were  coming off a NFC title game and they were already a playoff team and roster. If Trey Lance made the jump, then they likely were gonna be a top three team in the NFC. Just so happens Jimmy G took over and they were able to be better off with this roster than would have with Trey Lance. I understand what he did with Brock Purdy is pretty impressive. However, that roster is top three of the NFL. So as long as Brock Purdy didn’t play atrocious, they were gonna win a game anyways.

The Giants just remind me of what the Eagles were last year. They had a fortunate schedule with a team that had a young quarterback in a new system, and had talent but severe lack of talent at certain positions.

i look at the Jaguars as a team that probably was only expected to win five maybe six games. And somehow they won nine and won a playoff game as well as nearly pulled off an upset against Kansas City if it wasn’t for a fumble by Agnew. Imo Doug did the best job. He changed the culture of losing to a team that is on the up and up and maybe take a giant leap next year. I get their division wasn’t very good. But even so they managed to win it and I don’t think anybody at the beginning of the year thought they would.

Add on he did this with a really down here by JaMychal hasty. Lmao 

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I actually (cautiously) liked the Davis pick.  I questioned the value, as run stopping DT in round 1 felt a bit rich, but there was no denying the unique potential.  

And im not dying on any hill insisting he’ll be a bust either.  I just sense that’s the path…We all know it happens.  Every high first round pick is a budding star until they aren’t.

I do think Howie’s actions will tell us everything this offseason.  Milton Williams was really, really good down the stretch.  Davis is a high first round pick.  And the Eagles (justifiably) don’t like to give big money to guys over 30.

So if they spend several millions over multiple years on one or more over 30 DTs (or invest another top pick) to relegate Davis to depth, I think that tells us everything we need to know about their opinion of Davis.

Time will tell.  I’m cautiously optimistic.  Your caution expresses itself differently. 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The coach who coaches the best team did do the best job. I don't see how this is complicated here. They were the best team in large part because of the coaching. And the jump Hurts made is pretty unprecedented from one year to the next, thanks to their coaching.

Doug did a good job. Sirianni was better.

And you're making my case for me with the Belichick point. Like I said, who wins the award is irrelevant. The voters vote for narratives.

So why are you so worked up about it if it is irrelevant.

Go look at the list of MVP's and coaches of the year, you are not going to find a very many that won the Super Bowl the same year.

2017 McVay was coach of the year and Brady was MVP, you trading either of those for a Super Bowl win ??

 

Eagles are 2022 Super Bowl Winners because I said so

2 hours ago, BwianWestbwook said:

I think we need to greatly lessen our RPO game against the 9ers, they're a nasty team and the options expose Hurts to extra punishment, more designed handoffs please

It is actually a RRPO not a RPO.  The first R and the P both mitigate punishment to Hurts.  It is the second R where he is exposed to punishment (unless he slides at the end of his run). 

Tbh I think Sirianni got snubbed because the Niners and the Eagles in my opinion had playoff type rosters and everything came down to what the quarterback look like to see if they were just a playoff team or if they were gonna be a Super Bowl contender. hurts looked like an MVP all year until he got hurt. I would’ve put Sirianni over Kyle Shanahan. Don’t get me wrong I do think Kyle Shanahan deserves some massive credit because Brock Purdy has played as well as he has. But just personally id give the nod to sirianni over shanahan. 

that said Pete Carroll deserves more credit than either one of them just based on roster and expectations prior to the season. many felt they were tanking as the season started. They manage to win nine games with Geno Smith, resurrect geno smith’s career all while having one of the worst defenses in the league (really were bad due to lack of talent on that defense)

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So why are you so worked up about it if it is irrelevant.

Go look at the list of MVP's and coaches of the year, you are not going to find a very many that won the Super Bowl the same year.

2017 McVay was coach of the year and Brady was MVP, you trading either of those for a Super Bowl win ??

 

I'm not worked up about it, and that was going to be that until other people tried to argue it.

2017 McVay won coach of the year, he wasn't coach of the year. Like I said before, there's a difference. One is a subjective decision by voters. The other is objective truth.

The academy of science could vote for Mars as the biggest planet in the solar system award, but that doesn't mean it is just because people voted for it. The answer is Jupiter.

Objective truth.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh I think Sirianni got snub because the Niners and the Eagles in my opinion had playoff type rosters and everything came down to what the quarterback look like to see if they were just a playoff team or if they were gonna be a Super Bowl contender. hurts look like an MVP all year until he got hurt. I would’ve put Sirianni over Kyle Shanahan. Don’t get me wrong I do think Kyle Shanahan deserves some massive credit because Brock Purdy has played as well as he has. But just personally id give the nod to sirianni over shanahan. 

that said Pete Carroll deserves more credit than either one of them just based on roster and expectations prior to the season. many felt they were tanking as the season started. They manage to win nine games with Geno Smith, resurrect geno smith’s career all while having one of the worst defenses in the league.

I disagree. I think KS’s run with Purdy is made even more impressive because of NS’s struggles with Minshew. But it’s a close race. I think it’s between Daboll and Dougie ultimately

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles are 2022 Super Bowl Winners because I said so

What about what stone cold says?

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The coach who coaches the best team did do the best job. I don't see how this is complicated here. They were the best team in large part because of the coaching. And the jump Hurts made is pretty unprecedented from one year to the next, thanks to their coaching.

Doug did a good job. Sirianni was better.

And you're making my case for me with the Belichick point. Like I said, who wins the award is irrelevant. The voters vote for narratives. By this logic, Sirianni could've gone 17-0 and not win because the roster is good. So basically, he couldn't win the award no matter what he did. Which shows you how laughable it all is.

I 100% don’t agree. If Sirianni gets 5 1st place votes, he owes 3 of them to Howie Roseman. He was gifted the best roster in football and did what would have been expected of him.

Pederson obliterated expectations

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

What about what stone cold says?

He's probably a Cowboys fan so who cares

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's probably a Cowboys fan so who cares

If you were a woman he'd punch you out for saying that

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm not worked up about it, and that was going to be that until other people tried to argue it.

2017 McVay won coach of the year, he wasn't coach of the year. Like I said before, there's a difference. One is a subjective decision by voters. The other is objective truth.

The academy of science could vote for Mars as the biggest planet in the solar system award, but that doesn't mean it is just because people voted for it. The answer is Jupiter.

Objective truth.

Who knew so many cared about what others thought of the finalists?

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

The run defense has not been great this year, even with the addition of Suh and Joseph.

9 games w/o Suh and Joseph: 124.7 rushing yards per game

9 games w/ Suh and Joseph: 118 rushing yards per game

Not much of a difference there.

The highest level numbers from a game often don’t tell the full story.  For example, last Saturday the Run D gave up 118 yards on 20 carries, which is a less than impressive 5.9 yards per carry.  However, when the game was in any doubt, the first half, the Run D gave up 20 yards on 7 carries … a quite nice 2.9 yards per carry.  In the second half, when the game was no longer in doubt and the overall game plan was "burn the clock away” letting the Giants was fine with Sirianni and Co.  But even there the 98 yards on 13 carries is deceiving.  39 of those yards were on the one Barkley run and 6 of the runs were Jones scrambles for 24 yards.