1 hour ago, mattwill said:

How many points do you see the Eagles scoring?

26

D.K. McDonald, Assistant DB coach, and Tyler Scudder, Defensive assistant, were both defensive coaches for Iowa St. when Purdy was there. 

Could be another small advantage Eagles lucked into. 

Imagine when Germany hears about TO and mcnabb feuding after their Super Bowl run 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

All this is going to lead to is teams being bullied into hiring lame duck coaches that they fire a year later(and then get criticized for that too) like Lovie Smith.

There's nothing wrong with inequities as long as they aren't driven by discrimination. Not every company, organization, or institution is going to have evenly divided employees by their ethnicity. Nor should they. It shakes out how it shakes out. The number of applicants per demographic and the quality of candidates per demographic is going to be ever-shifting.

America's obsession over race has broken peoples brains to see race discrimination in any inequity, no matter if there is any actually going on. There are some grifters like Ibram Kendi(who gets hired tens of thousands of dollars to promote toxic rhetoric like anti-capitalism ironically, and other crazy nonsense) that flat out say "Any inequity is proof of racism and if you disagree you're a racist." A kafka trap essentially.

The NFL has been a league where winning trumps all. Teams will sign literal ex-cons and people with questionable character because it helps them win, without any regard for skin color. But somehow people think when it comes to coaches, then all of a sudden organizations start discriminating. If Mike Tomlin was fired, he'd be hired within the hour.

By applying the population at large to the NFL, it should be 13% African American. Pretty sure the AA representation overall is much higher than that. Even if you boil that down to just head coaches, 13% of 32 would be ~4. I'd think white cornerbacks have a much better gripe.

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

D.K. McDonald, Assistant DB coach, and Tyler Scudder, Defensive assistant, were both defensive coaches for Iowa St. when Purdy was there. 

Could be another small advantage Eagles lucked into. 

Was discussed yesterday.  I also found out Brock Purdy's offensive coordinator at Iowa St was a player at Mount Union when Siriani was a coach.

57 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This might be the dumbest thing I'll read today

It's not my area of practice but I think having a rule to address a history of not hiring minority head coaches and lots of evidence of a sort of sham following of the rule is a problem for the lawsuits.  If Flores and Wilks were not given serious consideration after interviews, I think that hurts the NFL.  The fact that Wilks should have been considered doesn't mean that there was bias against him the process.  If he wasn't seriously considered, it could be an issue.  Just like it could be an issue if the Colts don't seriously interview a minority candidate and retain Saturday.  It's not the same as saying there was explicit racial bias in the hiring process of coaches this year.   Of course, only one vacancy has been filled so Florio is talking out his pooper at this point.  

It looks like DeMeco is the top choice in Denver.  Who knows what direction the Cardinals or Texans will go in for their pick.  The Cardinals have interviewed several minority candidates in Vance Joseph, Aaron Glenn and Flores.  I doubt those 3 were sham interviews. Demeco, Ejiro Evero, and Thomas Brown were all interviewed by the Texans.  Again, it seems reasonable that these were not just sham interviews.  It does seem that these teams are looking to sincerely address concerns about bias and have diverse candidates.  

We can point at the rule as not being practical or effective but teams do routinely make boneheaded head coaching hires.  Hackett was a terrible head coach. Urban Meyer was a terrible head coach and hiring decision.  There were undoubtedly more qualified minority candidates.  If nothing else, forcing teams to open up the search helps them make better decisions if they are giving sincere interviews.  

Just now, downundermike said:

Was discussed yesterday.  I also found out Brock Purdy's offensive coordinator at Iowa St was a player at Mount Union when Siriani was a coach.

Speaking of Sirianni, did you hear he's not even a finalist for COTY??

Snubbed, big time. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imagine when Germany hears about TO and mcnabb feuding after their Super Bowl run 

What did Nick say?

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Because team's aren't falling over each other to interview a guy who has an active lawsuit against the NFL. 

Yeah I would think Flores would have known about the risks of taking legal action in the manner he did, and hopefully was fully aware he could be in effect blacklisting himself. Not saying that it's right or wrong, only that the nature of the business is to avoid baggage and distractions whenever possible. If he truly was discriminated against, good for him to stand up for himself with so much at risk. 

On a related note, I touched on it recently when discussing the positions former coaches were in their playing days, but I can't help but wonder if the lack of minority hiring is all more of a case of correlation rather than causation. Seems like most of the coaches these days are from the offensive side of the ball, and with a lot of coaches being former QBs, I'm starting to think the owners / front offices might actually be discriminating against a candidate's former position rather than their race. Naturally, a former QB might very well have a better feel for the game as a whole on both sides of the ball, so it's not surprising to see so many get hired as head coaches. 

That being said, if a guy like DeMeco Ryans doesn't get the reigns to a team this offseason, then yeah, there might be something else at play there.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah I would think Flores would have known about the risks of taking legal action in the manner he did, and hopefully was fully aware he could be in effect blacklisting himself. Not saying that it's right or wrong, only that the nature of the business is to avoid baggage and distractions whenever possible. If he truly was discriminated against, good for him to stand up for himself with so much at risk. 

On a related note, I touched on it recently when discussing the positions former coaches were in their playing days, but I can't help but wonder if the lack of minority hiring is all more of a case of correlation rather than causation. Seems like most of the coaches these days are from the offensive side of the ball, and with a lot of coaches being former QBs, I'm starting to think the owners / front offices might actually be discriminating against a candidate's former position rather than their race. Naturally, a former QB might very well have a better feel for the game as a whole on both sides of the ball, so it's not surprising to see so many get hired as head coaches. 

That being said, if a guy like DeMeco Ryans doesn't get the reigns to a team this offseason, then yeah, there might be something else at play there.

DeMeco should absolutely be getting hired. Back to the Texans is obviously the best storyline.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What did Nick say?

"Shut up you stupid German"

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah I would think Flores would have known about the risks of taking legal action in the manner he did, and hopefully was fully aware he could be in effect blacklisting himself. Not saying that it's right or wrong, only that the nature of the business is to avoid baggage and distractions whenever possible. If he truly was discriminated against, good for him to stand up for himself with so much at risk. 

On a related note, I touched on it recently when discussing the positions former coaches were in their playing days, but I can't help but wonder if the lack of minority hiring is all more of a case of correlation rather than causation. Seems like most of the coaches these days are from the offensive side of the ball, and with a lot of coaches being former QBs, I'm starting to think the owners / front offices might actually be discriminating against a candidate's former position rather than their race. [b]Naturally, a former QB might very well have a better feel for the game as a whole on both sides of the ball[/b], so it's not surprising to see so many get hired as head coaches. 

That being said, if a guy like DeMeco Ryans doesn't get the reigns to a team this offseason, then yeah, there might be something else at play there.

Yep. I've thought for a long time that as more and more former black QBs choose to get into the coaching ranks, more and more will eventually become OCs and eventually HCs.

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

DeMeco should absolutely be getting hired. Back to the Texans is obviously the best storyline.

Is that team even an appealing spot for a new HC?

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What did Nick say?

He said, "F off, ya kraut."

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Is that team even an appealing spot for a new HC?

I'd say yes...their draft could be franchise changing.

 

 

They could do something like this:

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's not my area of practice but I think having a rule to address a history of not hiring minority head coaches and lots of evidence of a sort of sham following of the rule is a problem for the lawsuits.  If Flores and Wilks were not given serious consideration after interviews, I think that hurts the NFL.  The fact that Wilks should have been considered doesn't mean that there was bias against him the process.  If he wasn't seriously considered, it could be an issue.  Just like it could be an issue if the Colts don't seriously interview a minority candidate and retain Saturday.  It's not the same as saying there was explicit racial bias in the hiring process of coaches this year.   Of course, only one vacancy has been filled so Florio is talking out his pooper at this point.  

It looks like DeMeco is the top choice in Denver.  Who knows what direction the Cardinals or Texans will go in for their pick.  The Cardinals have interviewed several minority candidates in Vance Joseph, Aaron Glenn and Flores.  I doubt those 3 were sham interviews. Demeco, Ejiro Evero, and Thomas Brown were all interviewed by the Texans.  Again, it seems reasonable that these were not just sham interviews.  It does seem that these teams are looking to sincerely address concerns about bias and have diverse candidates.  

We can point at the rule as not being practical or effective but teams do routinely make boneheaded head coaching hires.  Hackett was a terrible head coach. Urban Meyer was a terrible head coach and hiring decision.  There were undoubtedly more qualified minority candidates.  If nothing else, forcing teams to open up the search helps them make better decisions if they are giving sincere interviews.  

Yes it’s been a problem in the past, but I think now more than ever it’s really not as much as they make it out to be. 
 

Demeco has essentially been the top coaching option all year long, and it’s because of his actual acumen at doing the job. Really has nothing to do with him being black.

 

The Meyer hiring was stupid, but the Jags owner is a minority himself, so is he racist for not hiring a minority coach? No, he just made a bad choice.

 

I think Denver hired Hackett in the hopes Rodgers would follow, also dumb. But in either case it seems to be a lack of intelligence rather than racism.

 

Wilks can be upset all he wants, but Reich is a good hire if you’re going to be drafting and developing a young QB. I don’t know that Wilks would fit that. 
 

Irsay is an idiot and may just hire Saturday outright (I guess Saturday doesn’t care how long Irsay spends in his bathroom). But I wouldn’t then chalk it up to racism, more of Irsay just being dumb. 
 

What other minority candidates are there this year that have stood out? Usually the teams playing this weekend are the staffs that get poached. I think it’s rare for a position coach to make the jump to head coach (it obviously happens). So of the co-ordinators left, Ryans, Steichen and Gannon seem to have the most momentum. Bienemy is a joke and there’s a reason he’s been passed over so many times, and it has nothing to do with his race.

 

Its all so stupid

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What did Nick say?

Wonder if this changes how they approach the offseason and try to get in on Rodgers or Brady.

Reading some stuff, the last MVP to win the Super Bowl was Kurt Warner in 1999.

The last 8 MVP's who got to the Super Bowl lost.

Only two coaches who won coach of the year won the Super Bowl since 1987, and only 5 coaches of the year since 1987 made the Super Bowl.

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What did Nick say?

 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Wonder if this changes how they approach the offseason and try to get in on Rodgers or Brady.

Someone needs to save that kid from himself. He's gonna have scrambled eggs for brain by 30.

9 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I'd say yes...their draft could be franchise changing.

And they have an extra 1st and 4th next year.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Wonder if this changes how they approach the offseason and try to get in on Rodgers or Brady.

They should.  Can't rely on this guy to stay healthy. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

And they have an extra 1st and 4th next year.

Yes but what about the ghost of Jack Easterby? Right @SkippyX?

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What did Nick say?

"sprechen sie dick”