1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Mahomes and Russell Wilson were not married at the time of their super bowl win nor was Eli Manning for his first super bowl and neither was roethlisburger for either super bowl of his  ....... What other " facts" do you have? 

@EagleJoe8

When Mahomes won, he was against a unmarried QB.  Eli Manning is NFL royalty/family.  On one of the original teams. 

The fact is this time, Mahomes is married and that's a narrative advantage. 

. And as I said earlier. The only black QBs to win SBs were on indian themed teams. 

 

 

5 hours ago, HaroldJackson29 said:

Everything you've done is a contradiction. No actual answers. Just circular whining and evasiveness.  

Now, the fact is the league doesn't care to have a unmarried guy saying he's going to Disneyland.  

You don't look.into it because you believe the fantasy your tv sells you.

Yeah, I’m going to say you don’t know what a contradiction is. You just like to say words you’ve heard before because you think it makes you look smart. 
 

Oh and btw, after you learn what the word contradiction means, look up the definition of "fact” too. 

3 hours ago, HaroldJackson29 said:

When Mahomes won, he was against a unmarried QB.  Eli Manning is NFL royalty/family.  On one of the original teams. 

The fact is this time, Mahomes is married and that's a narrative advantage. 

. And as I said earlier. The only black QBs to win SBs were on indian themed teams. 

 

 

Like the Indian themed…checks notes…Seahawks?

 

 

28 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Like the Indian themed…checks notes…Seahawks?

 

 

I looked into that, it is actually native American related .... 

49 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Like the Indian themed…checks notes…Seahawks?

 

 

Their logo is in fact Indian art. 

53 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Yeah, I’m going to say you don’t know what a contradiction is. You just like to say words you’ve heard before because you think it makes you look smart. 
 

Oh and btw, after you learn what the word contradiction means, look up the definition of "fact” too. 

The fact is you continue to avoid the truth. Yes you've done nothing but contradictions. 

Sports is staged entertainment. That is an absolute fact.

10 minutes ago, HaroldJackson29 said:

The fact is you continue to avoid the truth. Yes you've done nothing but contradictions. 

Sports is staged entertainment. That is an absolute fact.

A fact by definition is proven true. You have yet to prove that. Just like your claim that an unmarried QB never won a Super Bowl. @Bwestbrook36 destroyed that narrative, and of course, in typical fashion, you back peddled. 
 

 

Oh, and we’re still waiting for you to figure out what a contradiction is. 

This guy can't get banned quick enough.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You're big into getting people suspended and banned, aren't you?  

You’re more than capable of earning your own suspensions!

And, why are you so obsessed with me 🤡

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Obsessed?  Because I responded to a post of yours?  🤣

Yeah it’s weird how much my posts trigger you….I must have hurt your feelings.

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize how sensitive you are about suspensions!

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  That’s me.  So hurt.  😂   Just don’t report me for responding to you.  

It’s ok. This is a safe space….you can let it out.

8 hours ago, Mat said:

He should have won MVP

 

8 hours ago, SkippyX said:

He was the best player in the league this year.

MVP is just a popularity contest based on QB passing statistics only.

Maybe if he had stayed healthy for all 17 games he would’ve been in the conversation. 
 

Mahomes was a no doubt MVP, except to the most homerish Eagles fans. Get over it

12 hours ago, downundermike said:

More sacks equals bad o line, not bad passing game

This isn't always true. Nobody with credibility would claim the Eagles had a bad O-line. The less experienced players had occasional struggles. Mailata continues to learn from mistakes and has improved as a result. He's playing very well right now. Driscoll filled in at different positions and blew a few plays here and there. Other than that, the rest of the guys have been very consistent. 

In the Eagles' case, a majority of the sacks were not the fault of the O-line. Some fall on scheme and a defense rushes more people than the offense has blockers for. Some are a failure for a RB or TE to pick up a blitz. Some are simply due to good coverage or a receiver's inability to get open (or maybe he falls down) and there's nothing there. Obviously, QBs have to take the blame when they had a chance to get rid of the ball and chose not to or instead of stepping up in a clean pocket, they spin around and roll to a side, losing sight of potential targets. 

In most cases, it didn't seem like the sacks Hurts took were detrimental. There are a few where he chose to run out of bounds for a small loss and he should have just thrown the ball away once he was out of the pocket. I think the mindset was: when unsure, protect the ball. Mahomes is just a more experienced QB that has already mastered how and when to ground the ball. Another factor in Mahomes' game is he takes a lot of chances with ill-advised throws and gets away with it. Hurts doesn't take those chances --- which is smart after seeing how Wentz' career panned out. When everything goes your way playing hero-ball, you'll always look like an MVP. But when things don't go your way, it can be real ugly. I'm hoping the Eagles' defense can bring out that "ugly" in Mahomes Sunday.

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

This isn't always true. Nobody with credibility would claim the Eagles had a bad O-line. The less experienced players had occasional struggles. Mailata continues to learn from mistakes and has improved as a result. He's playing very well right now. Driscoll filled in at different positions and blew a few plays here and there. Other than that, the rest of the guys have been very consistent. 

In the Eagles' case, a majority of the sacks were not the fault of the O-line. Some fall on scheme and a defense rushes more people than the offense has blockers for. Some are a failure for a RB or TE to pick up a blitz. Some are simply due to good coverage or a receiver's inability to get open (or maybe he falls down) and there's nothing there. Obviously, QBs have to take the blame when they had a chance to get rid of the ball and chose not to or instead of stepping up in a clean pocket, they spin around and roll to a side, losing sight of potential targets. 

In most cases, it didn't seem like the sacks Hurts took were detrimental. There are a few where he chose to run out of bounds for a small loss and he should have just thrown the ball away once he was out of the pocket. I think the mindset was: when unsure, protect the ball. Mahomes is just a more experienced QB that has already mastered how and when to ground the ball. Another factor in Mahomes' game is he takes a lot of chances with ill-advised throws and gets away with it. Hurts doesn't take those chances --- which is smart after seeing how Wentz' career panned out. When everything goes your way playing hero-ball, you'll always look like an MVP. But when things don't go your way, it can be real ugly. I'm hoping the Eagles' defense can bring out that "ugly" in Mahomes Sunday.

Every sack is detrimental by its very nature

25 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Every sack is detrimental by its very nature

Not true. You can take a sack when nothing is there and on the very next play get a 1st down or score a TD. If you have a lead and are running out the clock, a sack can be better than an incomplete pass. As people have already pointed out, context matters. 

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hurts doesn’t take those chances.  LOL. Yeah, but he takes a lot of shots.  You know like the one he took to give him the injury he’s still dealing with.  

Was that like the one Mahomes took that he's still dealing with?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What does that have to do with you saying that Hurts doesn't take those chances?  Because he does take chances and gets hurt. 

 

LOL.  The "yeah but" game with these Hurts-Only fans is comical.  

If you pay attention to context, I was talking about being careless with the football --- trying to force passes up for grabs out of desperation (that sort of thing). I believe the term I used was "ill-advised throws." 

I know it's more important to contradict me than to actually read what I said. I forgive you.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nah, I don't need to try.  You and the rest of the Jalen-Only fans accomplish that on your own.  

^proof that you try.

25 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Not true. You can take a sack when nothing is there and on the very next play get a 1st down or score a TD. If you have a lead and are running out the clock, a sack can be better than an incomplete pass. As people have already pointed out, context matters. 

Was that like the one Mahomes took that he's still dealing with?

A sack results in you losing yards and a down. That is detrimental. What happens on the next play doesn’t make the sack non-detrimental. 

45 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

A sack results in you losing yards and a down. That is detrimental. What happens on the next play doesn’t make the sack non-detrimental. 

Nah, that's not true. It's only kinda that way.

Like you can totally throw a pick and then the defense can have a pick-6 on the next play. So you know, not all plays are bad.

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

Maybe if he had stayed healthy for all 17 games he would’ve been in the conversation. 
 

Mahomes was a no doubt MVP, except to the most homerish Eagles fans. Get over it

He was the favourite when he got injured. They then went on to lose both games he didn't play including a loss to the **** Saints and almost lost the one seed in the process.

If anything that should have cemented that he is the MVP this year, not hurt him. It's not like the Wentz season where he went on to miss 3.5 games and they still finished as the one seed. 

M O P - Mahomes  (outstanding) Offensive player of the year award

M V P - Hurts (valuable)

If an O-lineman caused his team to run for 100 more yards per game when he played they would be saying an O-lineman should get MVP votes.

If Micah Parsons caused the Cowboys to give up 100 less yards rushing when he played he would get MVP votes.

Hurts does this and its "meh, just how valuable is an extra 100 yards rushing every game, anyway?" 

5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

M O P - Justin Jefferson  (outstanding) Offensive player of the year award

M V P - Patrick Mahomes (valuable)

 

FYP

26 minutes ago, Mat said:

He was the favourite when he got injured. They then went on to lose both games he didn't play including a loss to the **** Saints and almost lost the one seed in the process.

If anything that should have cemented that he is the MVP this year, not hurt him. It's not like the Wentz season where he went on to miss 3.5 games and they still finished as the one seed. 

 

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

M O P - Mahomes  (outstanding) Offensive player of the year award

M V P - Hurts (valuable)

If an O-lineman caused his team to run for 100 more yards per game when he played they would be saying an O-lineman should get MVP votes.

If Micah Parsons caused the Cowboys to give up 100 less yards rushing when he played he would get MVP votes.

Hurts does this and its "meh, just how valuable is an extra 100 yards rushing every game, anyway?" 

Hurts couldn’t play a full season. He loses points for that. Spin It however you want, he isn’t helping the team when he’s unable to play.

Mahomes didn’t miss any games, and had production that exceeded Hurts. It’s really not difficult to figure out.

You two are so pro Eagles, and can’t discuss anything with any ounce of objectivity. It’s infantile behavior 

18 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mahomes didn’t miss any games, and had production that exceeded Hurts. It’s really not difficult to figure out.

Hurts in back to back years was given Devonta and AJ Brown.  He would not have done what he did without spending two 1sts, a 3rd and 100 million at WR.

Mahomes did what he did this year while removing on of the 5 best WR's in the NFL, proving he is the most valuable.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hurts in back to back years was given Devonta and AJ Brown.  He would not have done what he did without spending two 1sts, a 3rd and 100 million at WR.

Mahomes did what he did this year while removing on of the 5 best WR's in the NFL, proving he is the most valuable.

Nowhere outside of a handful of posters on this board will you find anybody who thinks Hurts was MVP over Mahomes this year. 
 

It’s embarrassing for anybody to think that Hurts was better.