46 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So no OC/DC Hirings yet?    Hmm makes me wonder, I am guessing whatever plan they thought they had to replace these guys got foiled - Like the last time we went to the SB and lost Coordinators? 

Not at all. The OC has been set and it's been about 8 days since Gannon left.  They are interviewing people.  If they don't have it done by this weekend then something might have gone wrong

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Word salad

cam was a blip. Lamar looks to be one. 

allen and hurt remains to be seen. Allen has far better tools and arm. 

fields is a long way off as a passer but stuck in a crappy org. Way too soon to say much more but he hasnt shown crap yet but running

running qbs are what you settle for to be competitive.

 

You missed the 'combined with his arm' part. My post more or less agrees with your take. Except I was evaluating running as an independent tool in this case. The only types of runners at QB that can be consistently problematic are those that are versatile. Defenses are too good for everything else. Lamar for example is an incredible athlete, but defenses caught up to him running the ball. Why? Because he's a good runner in one style and exactly one style. Fast guy, quick guy.

I can see why you mistook that for me saying Justin Fields was better than Josh Allen, for example. But no, I wasn't saying that. I was evaluating which runners can be problematic for NFL defenses with their legs independently, in the long term. He had 800 yards or so on the ground, so obviously I'd mention him in that comparison.

Josh Allen will never need his running style to be his primary tool, because his arm is something most QBs only dream about.

20 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Not at all. The OC has been set and it's been about 8 days since Gannon left.  They are interviewing people.  If they don't have it done by this weekend then something might have gone wrong

I suspect we’ll know our DC tomorrow. Need to finish up with Joseph first. I believe with him and Desai we will be Rooney Rule compliant. 

As for OC, maybe we’ve completed some interviews and they haven’t leaked yet. Or maybe it’s on the back burner since we already know Johnson is the guy. 

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I don't think that was the plan. Howie had an interview sometime after the draft where he said he questioned his scouting team to explain to him why Davis isn't just a two down run stopper because he wouldn't use that high of a pick on such a player, he then went into a little of what the scouts had to say which all sounded great. I can't imagine he's thrilled though after this year. I'm still holding out hope, he just seems like he needs more time in the NFL to develop but who knows. It would be a major disappointment and will hurt this team if he doesn't turn out to be a force in the middle and deliver on projections the scouts sold to Howie. 

He wasn't really told to rush the passer in college so this was his first year in game working on that. He will be better next year. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I suspect we’ll know our DC tomorrow. Need to finish up with Joseph first. I believe with him and Desai we will be Rooney Rule compliant. 

As for OC, maybe we’ve completed some interviews and they haven’t leaked yet. Or maybe it’s on the back burner since we already know Johnson is the guy. 

Yep, tomorrow or Friday.  Never really heard if they actually interviewed Desai but I do believe they have talked to people we don't hear about.  Maybe some under the radar college guys.  I remember years ago we heard about some interviews that happened for various coaching job well after the fact

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I suspect we’ll know our DC tomorrow. Need to finish up with Joseph first. I believe with him and Desai we will be Rooney Rule compliant. 

As for OC, maybe we’ve completed some interviews and they haven’t leaked yet. Or maybe it’s on the back burner since we already know Johnson is the guy. 

 

You don't interview someone twice just for the sake of the rule.  Especially when as far as we know he is the only candidate to receive two interviews.  Joseph is likely the next DC. 

59 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If I was going to give JD one thing to work on over the offseason, it would be playing lower (which isn't a gimme for a 6'6" guy).  Once he can get that leverage consistently, he's going to be a real problem.

Yup

not an uncommon education in the nfl even coming from a big program. Different battling grown ass men trained to beat you

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You don't interview someone twice just for the sake of the rule.  Joseph is likely the next DC. 

The scheduled 2 parts of the interview on different days.  Sirriani talks to candidate & Lurie/Roseman talks to them.  That said I'd think they aren't just talking to him to satisfy Rooney Rule. He's a legit candidate

9 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

CB is a huge need. Slay is 32 and had a meh 2nd half of the season. The Eagles need to restock the cupboard there. Haven't drafted well there at all. They draft CBs even worse than they do WRs and that's saying something. Would be nice to have two young stud CBs they could groom themselves.

Slay did not have any big plays over the last half of the season. I don't think he had a bad season.  It's not like he is getting abused in coverage.  I haven't seen any film analysis that shows he was giving up big plays or vulnerable to certain receivers.  

CB is a huge need but I don't think they have a bad draft history with them.  The last time they invested heavily in the position was 2017 when they took Sidney Jones and Rasul Douglas.  The Jones pick didn't work out but it's hard to say that was a bad evaluation.  Douglas is still a starting CB in the League and has had success in cover 3 zone schemes.  Maddox was a good pick in 2018.  McPherson has made some spot appearances and I haven't been impressed but it's not like you draft a 4th round pick with the idea that he's a definite starter.  I do agree they need to re-stock and i would like to see them invest heavily in the position.    

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

 

I abhor the concept of a running qb.  Perhaps not coincidentally, Hurts arguably ceased to be a running qb this year.  Most of his record running TDs were from the trademark OL push play.  The more he stayed in the pocket, the better he got.  Some of his designed runs up the middle and for first downs were great, but I’d hardly call them his identity this year.

Hurts, along with the rest of the offense, were generally at their best when he was dealing from the pocket.  With the exception of the red zone runs (which I do like), his running was usually a band aid boost for when the aerial attack couldn’t lift off.

 

Hurts was 11 rushing attempts away from the most rushes by a QB in a season and would have easily cleared it if he hadn’t gotten hurt. He also rushed more than he did in 2021. Not sure what argument there could possibly be that he ceased to be a running QB. 

if you mean "just a running QB” than I would agree. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts was 11 rushing attempts away from the most rushes by a QB in a season and would have easily cleared it if he hadn’t gotten hurt. He also rushed more than he did in 2021. Not sure what argument there could possibly be that he ceased to be a running QB. 

I have a bit of a love/hate with Jalen's rushing.  He's so electric and such an amazing running QB, but at the same time I'm afraid that all this rushing will greatly shorten his NFL career.  It seems like most rushing QBs are one good hit away from becoming a lot less electric.  Or worse, when their rushing ability diminishes because of age they become a lot less effective as a QB because now they have to rely solely upon their arm.    That said, I hope I'm wrong and that Jalen's career will be long and result in multiple championships. 

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Not at all. The OC has been set and it's been about 8 days since Gannon left.  They are interviewing people.  If they don't have it done by this weekend then something might have gone wrong

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I suspect we’ll know our DC tomorrow. Need to finish up with Joseph first. I believe with him and Desai we will be Rooney Rule compliant. 

As for OC, maybe we’ve completed some interviews and they haven’t leaked yet. Or maybe it’s on the back burner since we already know Johnson is the guy. 

I have not seen any announcements......  If they know the OC why have they not announced it yet?  SMH

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Slay did not have any big plays over the last half of the season. I don't think he had a bad season.  It's not like he is getting abused in coverage.  I haven't seen any film analysis that shows he was giving up big plays or vulnerable to certain receivers.  

CB is a huge need but I don't think they have a bad draft history with them.  The last time they invested heavily in the position was 2017 when they took Sidney Jones and Rasul Douglas.  The Jones pick didn't work out but it's hard to say that was a bad evaluation.  Douglas is still a starting CB in the League and has had success in cover 3 zone schemes.  Maddox was a good pick in 2018.  McPherson has made some spot appearances and I haven't been impressed but it's not like you draft a 4th round pick with the idea that he's a definite starter.  I do agree they need to re-stock and i would like to see them invest heavily in the position.    

Douglas didn't even make it through his rookie contract.  Maddox is OK, but I think he's overrated by this fan base. He's missed 1/4 of the games since he's entered the league.  I'm not depending on his health at all.  McPhearson has shown nothing.  

I disagree, I'm looking at the 4th round for eventual starters and the players that build the core of the team.

Howie is absolutely terrible at drafting CB.  It's why I suggested we go the AJ Brown route again and try to find an established, young veteran on an expiring contract to possibly trade pick 30 for.

Mazi Smith is a dude I'd really like us to draft.  Dude is big strong and can really move.

10 - Gonzalez
30 - Mazi
63 - Foskey

 

13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

I have not seen any announcements......  If they know the OC why have they not announced it yet?  SMH

 

My guess is they want to announce the new staff together at the same time. 

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

I have not seen any announcements......  If they know the OC why have they not announced it yet?  SMH

From Chris Franklin of NJ.com this morning:

 

No offensive coordinators candidates have leaked out

There has been a steady leak of names for the defensive coordinator position, but no mention of offensive coordinator candidates coming in to interview for the job. The belief is that Brian Johnson, the current quarterbacks coach who has been with the team for two seasons, will assume the role vacated by Steichen. Johnson has been an offensive coordinator dating back to his days at the University of Utah and the University of Florida before coming to the NFL and joining the Eagles.

Brian Johnson turning down interviews elsewhere at OC tells you everything you need to know

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Possible and probable are two different things

Agreed … and all the dialogue pertaining to Wiz made the same point.  Even after he stepped in and performed admirably, adequate starting performance at Guard by Wiz was still seen only as possible rather than probable.

It is all about expectations.

Does Kancey have a role in a 3-4?  I think he's kind of a baby Hugh Douglas kind of player depending on weight.   Hugh was built for a 4-3 DE and one of the reasons he was traded to the Eagles was his misfitment in a 3-4.  

I love Kancey's game, just trying to figure out where the hell he fits in an NFL defense.

19 hours ago, NCiggles said:

1. Mahomes

2. Hurts

3. Burrow

4. Allen

5. Herbert*

6. greend

 

 

 

*This is just a list of names and numbers. It has no meaning.  

In that case fyp

25 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I have a bit of a love/hate with Jalen's rushing.  He's so electric and such an amazing running QB, but at the same time I'm afraid that all this rushing will greatly shorten his NFL career.  It seems like most rushing QBs are one good hit away from becoming a lot less electric.  Or worse, when their rushing ability diminishes because of age they become a lot less effective as a QB because now they have to rely solely upon their arm.    That said, I hope I'm wrong and that Jalen's career will be long and result in multiple championships. 

Like I said earlier, Hurts is a little different. He's basically got a lower body of a running back and an upper body of a quarterback. He's also extremely versatile a runner. That being said, the ultimate development goal for him should be where he can sit in the pocket and crush teams, and still be that dynamic as a runner when nothing is there. That would basically make defenses want to jump off a cliff.

50 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts was 11 rushing attempts away from the most rushes by a QB in a season and would have easily cleared it if he hadn’t gotten hurt. He also rushed more than he did in 2021. Not sure what argument there could possibly be that he ceased to be a running QB. 

if you mean "just a running QB” than I would agree. 

The two things go hand in hand

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Ive heard that nonsense for 30 years.

Mobility helps of course but that doesnt mean running as a primary means of moving the ball

Which of the following two numbers is more likely to be the "primary means of moving the ball”? 3,701 yards gained or 760 yards gained?

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You don't interview someone twice just for the sake of the rule.  Especially when as far as we know he is the only candidate to receive two interviews.  Joseph is likely the next DC. 

Your first sentence is right. Your last...is not. I own and operate an executive search firm. Two layers is nothing compared to what some clients put candidates through. Their process here is 1 interview with Nick and coaches, 2nd interview with Lowie. That does not mean that anyone who hit interview layer 2 is likely the next DC. They're doing their due diligence.

Just a thought but maybe the NO POLITICS should become NO POLITICS AND NO HURTS DEBATE