Do players like Achane ever really do much in the NFL?  I know its all speed, etc but, the dude is tiny and those players don't tend to last long do they?

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Tyler Steen, if he's a slightly better version than Driscoll, is a good pick. 

Steen might be the first OL off the bench.

From what I've read (don't follow college ball) it seems he could easily end up an above average starting guard, with the ability to play tackle if he needed to cover for an injury. 

The best case scenario for Steen is Herremans.  A very athletic starting G who isn't a road grater and who can admirably fill in at OT.  I think most likely scenario is that he spends the majority of his rookie contract as the first OL off the bench as a Driscoll upgrade and then leaves for a starting job on a lesser OL.

 

Is Brett Toth still on the roster?  He has a team bio page but isn't listed on their roster page.

I think we'll like Sydney Brown.  I hate the reports that consistently say he's lacking in man coverage, but I'm not really seeing that.  He's outstanding with the ball in the air (has to be the best safety and one of the best DBs in the draft in that respect).  He really knows how to get to his spot, make a play on the ball, or free it from the wideouts hands without committing PI.  That's something that can't always be taught and is even better when it's paired with excellent athleticism. Aggressive downfield tackler and looks like he can really be weaponized blitzing out of left field too.   He's not going to be one of those bigger safeties that is a viable option in coverage against elite TE's, but that's OK.

I have to say, I like him better than Branch.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm fine with the Steen pick.  I know everyone assumes every OL drafted is a perfect decision and future pro-bowler thanks to Stoutland, but that's not the etiology of this pick.

Steen was a need pick.  After swinging for the fences with the first 2 picks, that's fine too.  He's a red shirt senior from the best offense factory in the country.  Despite that semi-bogus RAS score, he does not project as a top-notch long-term OT starter.  He also needs to work on lowering his base and is not a prototypical OG.  What he is, however, is instant insurance on an OL that has minimal depth and a few injury prone players...and a likely upgrade over Driscoll.  After a trade down out of round 2, that's a need pick to bunt the runner over.

And that's OK, smart drafting.  You can't swing for the fences on every pick.  They did that beautifully on Thursday night.  But we also don't need to romanticize the pick as something it's not.  

Gotta admit that Steen wasn't even on my radar before the draft.  Lots of other OL I was looking at or wanting the Eagles to go after.  With that being said, I saw a few before the draft saying they wanted a Todd Herremans kind of player and Steen appears to be exactly that.  I don't get too caught up in the RAS stuff, but it's at the very least encouraging to see how highly he graded out as a guard.  Will that translate on the field?

I would have preferred going TE/CB/RB knowing the talent gap between pick 65 and 188, when the Eagles pick next.  

12 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I’m devastated about Charbonnet going to Seattle 

Don't worry, the Eagles can sign him 4 or 5 years from now for $1.5M (like Penny) 😊

Just now, Rhinoddd50 said:

Don't worry, the Eagles can sign him 4 or 5 years from now for $1.5M (like Penny) 😊

Interested in your take on the most recent two draftees.  I know virtually nothing about them.

 

What needs to be done between now and April 2024 to scratch, claw, beg, borrow, and steal our way into drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. next year?  He's pretty much a lock for the #2 overall pick right?

What about Keaton Mitchell in round 6?  Diminutive RB with extreme speed, acceleration, and quickness...might provide some juice in the passing, screen, and return game.  Unlike Gibbs and Archane, they could use an almost irrelevant pick for this flier.

Just now, eagle45 said:

What about Keaton Mitchell in round 6?  Diminutive RB with extreme speed, acceleration, and quickness...might provide some juice in the passing, screen, and return game.  Unlike Gibbs and Archane, they could use an almost irrelevant pick for this flier.

. Can we get a back that can be used in short yardage, please?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. Can we get a back that can be used in short yardage, please?

We're already the best short yardage team in the NFL, so I don't really see the need for that prototype big back.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. Can we get a back that can be used in short yardage, please?

Roschon Johnson is still out there plus a few others but we pick pretty far down. Maybe target one of your guys and use a pick next year to get him.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We're already the best short yardage team in the NFL, so I don't really see the need for that prototype big back.

I can give you 255M reasons why we need a big back.  Using your QB as a battering ram is a short term solution, not a long term one.  Eventually, it will bite us.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I can give you $255M reasons why we need a big back.  Using your QB as a battering ram is a short term solution, not a long term one.  Eventually, it will bite us.

Fair enough, but I'd also like to be able to run a screen play that doesn't rely on Goedert shedding 2 tacklers at the LOS before it goes for positive yards.  Goedert does a nice job on them, but a player with better acceleration would be nice.

I'm probably over valuing players on the current roster but the Eagles have made quite a few players with roles on the team expendable.

FA added- Nick Morrow, Justin Evans, Greedy Williams, Terrell Edmunds, Olamide Zaccheaus, Rashaad Penny, Kentavious Street

Draft- Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown and more to be added.  

I can see a role on the team for every player listed.  I also think players like Greedy Williams, Kentavious Street and Justin Evans have the potential to outperform previous players, if they play up to their caliber.  

2022 players who might not have a role- Patrick Johnson, Marlon Tuipulotu, Zech McPhearson, K'Von Wallace, Derek Barnett, Quez Watkins.  

Do any of those players carry any value in possibly moving back in to the draft?  I think Patrick Johnson can be a part time pass rusher in the NFL.  He just doesn't have a spot here now.  Marlon Tuipulotu is an NFL DT4 and can help a teams depth.

DT- Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Fletcher Cox, Kentavious Street, Milton Williams.  Those are your DT.  No room for Tuipulotu. 

Rush LB- Hasson Reddick, Nolan Smith, Kyron Johnson, Patrick Johnson. I think Kyron Johnson has ST potential so they would keep him over Patrick, who still has NFL value.

CB- Darius Slay, James Bradberry, Avonte Maddox, Greedy Williams, Josh Jobe, Josiah Scott, Zech McPhearson.  Williams is a lottery ticket.  Can he be what many thought? Eagles are high on Jobe.  There's just no room for McPhearson.  He was a 4th round pick.  Would a team part with a 5th for him?

 

End of the day, I don't think the Eagles will trade away any of their own players as player for picks trades are rare. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What needs to be done between now and April 2024 to scratch, claw, beg, borrow, and steal our way into drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. next year?  He's pretty much a lock for the #2 overall pick right?

Win two games? 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I'm probably over valuing players on the current roster but the Eagles have made quite a few players with roles on the team expendable.

FA added- Nick Morrow, Justin Evans, Greedy Williams, Terrell Edmunds, Olamide Zaccheaus, Rashaad Penny, Kentavious Street

Draft- Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown and more to be added.  

I can see a role on the team for every player listed.  I also think players like Greedy Williams, Kentavious Street and Justin Evans have the potential to outperform previous players, if they play up to their caliber.  

2022 players who might not have a role- Patrick Johnson, Marlon Tuipulotu, Zech McPhearson, K'Von Wallace, Derek Barnett, Quez Watkins.  

Do any of those players carry any value in possibly moving back in to the draft?  I think Patrick Johnson can be a part time pass rusher in the NFL.  He just doesn't have a spot here now.  Marlon Tuipulotu is an NFL DT4 and can help a teams depth.

DT- Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Fletcher Cox, Kentavious Street, Milton Williams.  Those are your DT.  No room for Tuipulotu. 

Rush LB- Hasson Reddick, Nolan Smith, Kyron Johnson, Patrick Johnson. I think Kyron Johnson has ST potential so they would keep him over Patrick, who still has NFL value.

CB- Darius Slay, James Bradberry, Avonte Maddox, Greedy Williams, Josh Jobe, Josiah Scott, Zech McPhearson.  Williams is a lottery ticket.  Can he be what many thought? Eagles are high on Jobe.  There's just no room for McPhearson.  He was a 4th round pick.  Would a team part with a 5th for him?

 

End of the day, I don't think the Eagles will trade away any of their own players as player for picks trades are rare. 

 

 

I don't think any of those players have any draft value, JMO.  They may get claimed off waivers or signed on a roster, but I don't think anyone is trading for them.  

With Watkins (and this has been a relentless debate)...I'm of the belief that we have no viable WR #3 and no WR that is dangerous on a go-route...unless Watkins settles down and can be that guy.  So unless we want to revert back to that 12 personnel disaster, I think we need Watkins more than any potential trade partner would.

But for the Tuipolotu, Wallace, and McPhearson's of the world...once you have been in the league 2+ years and have shown nothing, I think the rate of depreciation on a mid round pick basically goes down to zero draft value.  At most, they could potentially be traded for other former mid round picks at different positions that have also done nothing and are about to get cut by their respective teams.

Despite the fascinating edge situation on this team, Graham and Sweat (and Barnett) are the only edge guys with meaningful experience of actually putting a hand in the dirt.  So despite the frustration and the bloated contract, I think there may be a depth role for Barnett on this team.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. Can we get a back that can be used in short yardage, please?

That is the missing piece of the RB group.  The memory from the SB win was that we had 2 RBs who could get the hard yardage even when the defense was geared to stop them.  Hurts is a rushing option but he should not be subject to more injury risks than necessary.  Add a physical runner in the draft or USFAs should be in order. Another possibility is if and when Henry gets cut and Howie could add him as the hard yardage RB.  Trading for him would not be cost effective though.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Fair enough, but I'd also like to be able to run a screen play that doesn't rely on Goedert shedding 2 tacklers at the LOS before it goes for positive yards.  Goedert does a nice job on them, but a player with better acceleration would be nice.

I agree.  A big back can run screens too, it's more about timing and following the alley than shiftiness.  But I think Gainwell can do it.  We don't need more little backs.  Gainwell small.  Scott small.  The RB room is being managed by the department of redundancy department.  Penny is the only one with any type of size... when he's healthy.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree.  A big back can run screens too, it's more about timing and following the alley than shiftiness.  But I think Gainwell can do it.  We don't need more little backs.  Gainwell small.  Scott small.  The RB room is being managed by the department of redundancy department.  Penny is the only one with any type of size... when he's healthy.

At RB, I'm sort of looking to compensate for what we lack at WR.  Brown and Smith are great, but the entire offense lacks someone to put a DB on their heels or to make a tackler miss in space underneath.  Over time, that threatens to make them one dimensional and look like those post SB52 offenses that were just so painfully congested.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think any of those players have any draft value, JMO.  They may get claimed off waivers or signed on a roster, but I don't think anyone is trading for them.  

With Watkins (and this has been a relentless debate)...I'm of the belief that we have no viable WR #3 and no WR that is dangerous on a go-route...unless Watkins settles down and can be that guy.  So unless we want to revert back to that 12 personnel disaster, I think we need Watkins more than any potential trade partner would.

But for the Tuipolotu, Wallace, and McPhearson's of the world...once you have been in the league 2+ years and have shown nothing, I think the rate of depreciation on a mid round pick basically goes down to zero draft value.  At most, they could potentially be traded for other former mid round picks at different positions that have also done nothing and are about to get cut by their respective teams.

Despite the fascinating edge situation on this team, Graham and Sweat (and Barnett) are the only edge guys with meaningful experience of actually putting a hand in the dirt.  So despite the frustration and the bloated contract, I think there may be a depth role for Barnett on this team.

I agree, just trying to be creative as possible in trying to find a way get back in to the 4th/5th rounds.  I can't underestimate the drop in value from pick 66 to 188.  122 players being picked between the Eagles last and next pick is significant.  Heck, I might be putting too much thought in to that but IMO, it's these rounds where key depth is built. 

Can the Eagles strike gold and find a Tariq Woolen, DaRon Bland or James Houston?  Is there an Isaiah Pacheco find for them to make?

Now, pick 188 last year was Hard Knocks star Malcolm Rodriguez so it's not like the cupboard is 100% bare but the chances of finding a LB of his quality are pretty slim.  

What I don't like is pick 132 last year was Romeo Doubs, who I think was a steal for the Packers.  The Bears are picking at 132 while the Eagles are sitting on their hands and Robert Quinn ended his Eagles career with 0 tackles.   

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We're already the best short yardage team in the NFL, so I don't really see the need for that prototype big back.

The Eagles could lead the league in 3rd/4th and short conversion and people want still say they need a big back if no one on the team looked like a big back