4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While I love 40's for most positions, especially WR....I tend to discount it in long striders 6'2" and up who look slow on tape and surprise with a decent to great 40 (not that a 4.5 is anything to boast about for a WR).  JJAW was slow in every definition of the word.  The entire reason he was drafted was contested catches.  Contested catches, by definition, are inconsistent and unreliable.  When that's a WR's entire game, that's what he'll be...inconsistent and unreliable.

Ngata was a top recruit who flashed but who disappointed for various reasons. Worth a shot imo.  Still a long shot of course

Not to be negative, as I love this draft as much as anyone, but I do like to nit pick.  Tyler Steen is NOT a freak athlete.  If you take every OT drafted in the first 3 rounds over the last few years...they are a bit longer, leaner, and springier than OG's...and then plug them into the RAS as OG's, you are probably going to get a lot of scores >9.4.

Carter, Smith, and Ringo are special athletes.  Sydney Brown is an excellent athlete...but, subjectively, I'd put him a notch below the aforementioned 3 guys.  Yet he has the highest RAS out of all of them (probably because he's being compared to safeties).

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Can make the argument for running back too as swift is a FA at the end of the year. Scott is a FA at the end of the year. Penny is a FA at the end of the year and gainwell would be heading into the final year of his contract 

RB will not. Plug and play 

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Ngata was a top recruit who flashed but who disappointed for various reasons. Worth a shot imo.  Still a long shot of course

We all know I want speed at WR and I want speed to be a priority when we make our next big investment in the position.  This late, we need someone to run the right route and catch a football to keep the chains moving if a starter gets hurt, as we have zero depth at the position.  Any RAS champ at this point is going to be completely incapable of playing the position without >1 year of dedicated schooling.

Someone like Ngata is probably the best bet to plug into the offense if disaster necessitates and have him produce a bit.  He looks like a Jordan Matthews / JJAW type...but they cost 2nd round picks.

I don't think Tyler Steen is an elite-level athlete, but at guard he has tackle feet. There's no reason why he can't be a rock-solid starting guard. 

The reason he fell was technique/age. Because of his technique issues, of which there were many, his athleticism didn't show up. No team could draft him in the first 2 rounds and play him at tackle. We're one of the few teams who will draft OL on day 2 without the intention of starting them.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

He's a two-year project. He's athletic but nowhere near strong enough. He was at the Senior Bowl, so Stoutland must think he has some potential. Practice squad at best this year.

Cool thanks

i went backed and watched some Steen. Like what i see but i think he needs a year in nfl training. Seems doughy. Am i wrong?

Just now, RLC said:

I don't think Tyler Steen is an elite-level athlete, but at guard he has tackle feet. There's no reason why he can't be a rock-solid starting guard. 

The reason he fell was technique/age. Because of his technique issues, of which there were many, his athleticism didn't show up. No team could draft him in the first 2 rounds and play him at tackle. We're one of the few teams who will draft OL on day 2 without the intention of starting them.

Well he is a tackle and he's not deficient in athleticism.  So of course he's going to be a guard with tackle feet.  

This pick is going to work out.  The Eagles judgement with OL is beyond reproach and they also have a smart, successful history of converting OT's to OG's.  But there still remains a reason that not every single starting OG in the NFL was a collegiate OT (although many were).

He's 6'6" with a higher center of gravity than most OG's and has been reported to get too upright off the snap.  So that needs to be sorted out.

His path to the starting lineup, unless he beats out Jurgens this year, obviously comes when Jurgens slides over to replace Kelce, presumably next year.  This offense is built around a road grating OL.  We have to see if Jurgens and Steen can manage that at RG.

50 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

We had 2 7's. Howie traded them for a 6 to a 5 next year

Which is low key brilliant stuff 

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Cool thanks

i went backed and watched some Steen. Like what i see but i think he needs a year in nfl training. Seems doughy. Am i wrong?

He looks rocked up to me.

Agree that he needs some consistent coaching. The last three years he's had three different OL coaches. Part of why he transferred to Alabama, I'm sure.

Any OL left in FA? They are very thin after the starters and that concerns me a bit.

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

He looks rocked up to me.

Agree that he needs some consistent coaching. The last three years he's had three different OL coaches. Part of why he transferred to Alabama, I'm sure.

His kickside seemed a bit sluggish, but the anchor was good which seems OK for G.  On my limited viewing he didn’t seem to play to/beyond the whistle, so I’d like him to be more aggressive - not glove adjusting level, but I like linemen a bit meaner.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Any OL left in FA? They are very thin after the starters and that concerns me a bit.

Isaiah Wynn and he went to Georgia

Alright, let's talk depth chart.  Howie says the roster isn't finished, but to his credit, this has the look of a finished and ready roster.  I wouldn't want to give up much 2024 (or '25) draft capital unless a pro-bowler wanted out specifically to come here and ring-chase.

Here we go:

Offense: 
QB: 1. Hurts. 2. Mariota. 3. Mckee.  PS: Book
WR: 1a. Brown. 1b. Smith. 3. Watkins.  4. Ward (yep, blah). 5. Covey.  PS: Allen, Ngata.
TE: 1. Goedert. 2. Calcaterra. 3. Stoll.  PS: Jackson.
RB: 1. Swift. 2. Penny. 3. Gainwell. 4. Scott.  PS: Sermon.
OT:  LT Mailata.  RT Johnson.  
OG: LG Dickerson RG Jurgens.
OC: Kelce
Multi-position OL depth: Driscoll, Steen, Opeta...who am I missing?  There is going to be a 4th depth piece here.  Just not sure who wins that competition.
 

Defense:
DT: Starting: Cox/Williams.  Same snaps but off the bench: Davis/Carter.  Depth: Ojomo
DE/Edge (this gets complicated): Stand up rusher: 1. Reddick.  2. Smith. 3. Patrick Johnson.  Down lineman: 1. Sweat. 2. Graham.  3. Barnett.  
Off Ball LB: Starters: Dean/Morrow.  Depth: Elliss, Bradley.  PS: Taylor.
CB: Starters: Slay/Bradberry/Maddox.  Depth: McPhearson, Ringo, Williams, Scott.  (Old starters plus injury prone Maddox pushes them to go heavy here).  We got some very interesting UDFA CB's, but I think they get pushed to the PS in favor of familiarity with Scott.
S: Starters: Edmunds/Brown.  Brown doesn't start right away, but does start for the majority of the year.  Depth: Blankenship, Evans.  PS: Wallace.

Specialists: Elliott, Lovato, Zentner

Excited about the team.  Critical eye. WR depth is bad.  Could use another backup OT.  Non-rush LBs are thin and questionable.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I heard 5 star attitude (basically thought he had already made it) and didn’t show up in shape. Welcome to the NFL, kid.  You didn’t go first round, you went fourth. Ask Scott about job security as a fourth round DB. Look at the roster and ask what chance you have of making the team and keeping the job.  Maybe ask the two All Pro starters you are trying to back up how they got their third contracts.  Betting Ringo develops a bit different attitude.  He can be fixed. Brown may have an impact on him because he is the try hard guy from this draft.

Last night I watched every draft picks press conference and/or zoom call again from the Eagles app. I came away impressed with all of them, but Nolan Smith and Sydney Brown stood out to me above the others. I’ve been a huge fan of them both throughout the draft process, and I truly think both of them in particular will become fan favorites. Between AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Sydney Brown, and Nolan Smith there’s going to be a crap ton of Smith/Brown jerseys at the Linc on Sundays. 

Ringo did not come off cocky at all to me. Said all the right things, and talked about his work with Richard Sherman and how excited he is to be a mentee to Slay and Bradberry. 

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Excited about the team.  Critical eye. WR depth is bad.  Could use another backup OT.  Non-rush LBs are thin and questionable.

I'm very excited for Dean in this defense.  I don't like Morrow.  He was signed here to start, but I'm secretly hoping that a light goes on for Bradley after 3 years in this defense.  Local kid, still a young draft pick, great athleticism, and has officially been in this defense longer than any LB on the team.  At worst, I do think Bradley and Elliss should make for adequate depth.  I'm just worried about the starter next to Dean.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Alright, let's talk depth chart.  Howie says the roster isn't finished, but to his credit, this has the look of a finished and ready roster.  I wouldn't want to give up much 2024 (or '25) draft capital unless a pro-bowler wanted out specifically to come here and ring-chase.

Here we go:

Offense: 
QB: 1. Hurts. 2. Mariota. 3. Mckee.  PS: Book
WR: 1a. Brown. 1b. Smith. 3. Watkins.  4. Ward (yep, blah). 5. Covey.  PS: Allen, Ngata.
TE: 1. Goedert. 2. Calcaterra. 3. Stoll.  PS: Jackson.
RB: 1. Swift. 2. Penny. 3. Gainwell. 4. Scott.  PS: Sermon.
OT:  LT Mailata.  RT Johnson.  
OG: LG Dickerson RG Jurgens.
OC: Kelce
Multi-position OL depth: Driscoll, Steen, Opeta...who am I missing?  There is going to be a 4th depth piece here.  Just not sure who wins that competition.
 

Defense:
DT: Starting: Cox/Williams.  Same snaps but off the bench: Davis/Carter.  Depth: Ojomo
DE/Edge (this gets complicated): Stand up rusher: 1. Reddick.  2. Smith. 3. Patrick Johnson.  Down lineman: 1. Sweat. 2. Graham.  3. Barnett.  
Off Ball LB: Starters: Dean/Morrow.  Depth: Elliss, Bradley.  PS: Taylor.
CB: Starters: Slay/Bradberry/Maddox.  Depth: McPhearson, Ringo, Williams, Scott.  (Old starters plus injury prone Maddox pushes them to go heavy here).  We got some very interesting UDFA CB's, but I think they get pushed to the PS in favor of familiarity with Scott.
S: Starters: Edmunds/Brown.  Brown doesn't start right away, but does start for the majority of the year.  Depth: Blankenship, Evans.  PS: Wallace.

Specialists: Elliott, Lovato, Zentner

It’s very early to be talking depth chart. Howie definitely has more up his sleeve. 

But…

To me, we desperately need WR depth. If something happens to Smith/Brown I am not comfortable with Quez starting. 

LB looks thin but I think they’re very high on Elliss. I like him too. 

5 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

Just realized that Swift trade moved us out of range for Witt.  Draft ruined;)

Is Ringo going to be CB or S?

Given the choice between Swift and Witt my choice is Swift eleven times out of ten … especially at that salary level.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Alright, let's talk depth chart.  Howie says the roster isn't finished, but to his credit, this has the look of a finished and ready roster.  I wouldn't want to give up much 2024 (or '25) draft capital unless a pro-bowler wanted out specifically to come here and ring-chase.

Here we go:

Offense: 
QB: 1. Hurts. 2. Mariota. 3. Mckee.  PS: Book
WR: 1a. Brown. 1b. Smith. 3. Watkins.  4. Ward (yep, blah). 5. Covey.  PS: Allen, Ngata.
TE: 1. Goedert. 2. Calcaterra. 3. Stoll.  PS: Jackson.
RB: 1. Swift. 2. Penny. 3. Gainwell. 4. Scott.  PS: Sermon.
OT:  LT Mailata.  RT Johnson.  
OG: LG Dickerson RG Jurgens.
OC: Kelce
Multi-position OL depth: Driscoll, Steen, Opeta...who am I missing?  There is going to be a 4th depth piece here.  Just not sure who wins that competition.
 

Defense:
DT: Starting: Cox/Williams.  Same snaps but off the bench: Davis/Carter.  Depth: Ojomo
DE/Edge (this gets complicated): Stand up rusher: 1. Reddick.  2. Smith. 3. Patrick Johnson.  Down lineman: 1. Sweat. 2. Graham.  3. Barnett.  
Off Ball LB: Starters: Dean/Morrow.  Depth: Elliss, Bradley.  PS: Taylor.
CB: Starters: Slay/Bradberry/Maddox.  Depth: McPhearson, Ringo, Williams, Scott.  (Old starters plus injury prone Maddox pushes them to go heavy here).  We got some very interesting UDFA CB's, but I think they get pushed to the PS in favor of familiarity with Scott.
S: Starters: Edmunds/Brown.  Brown doesn't start right away, but does start for the majority of the year.  Depth: Blankenship, Evans.  PS: Wallace.

Specialists: Elliott, Lovato, Zentner

You left out:

Olamide Zaccheaus  WR

Dalton Keene TE

Brett Toth OT, Trevor Reid T/G (PS)

Janarius Robinson DE (PS)

Kentavius Street DT, Noah Elliss DT, Marvin Tuipulotu DT

VanSumerun LB (PS)

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's hard though.  Whining is easier.

In Nor Cal they are the Forty Whiners

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

To me, we desperately need WR depth. If something happens to Smith/Brown I am not comfortable with Quez starting. 

LB looks thin but I think they’re very high on Elliss. I like him too. 

I wasn't wild about any WRs in this draft and I'm not ready to give up on Quez.  I think he said all the right things about his disappointing year and I'm ready to take a leap of faith there.  If it doesn't work out, then we know what we have to do in 2024.

What does concern me is what kind of offense we can run with a WR injury.  Let's be really optimistic and say that Quez steps up.  What then?  Do we have to be a 12 personnel offense?  Greg Ward in the slot?  Ugh.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You left out:

Olamide Zaccheaus  WR 

Dalton Keene TE

Brett Toth OT, Trevor Reid T/G (PS)

Janarius Robinson DE (PS)

Kentavius Street DT, Noah Elliss DT, Marvin Tuipulotu DT

VanSumerun LB (PS)

 

 

 

Forgot about Zaccheaus...he probably makes it over Greg Ward.  That's the new Pascal.  Very different type of player, but that's the spot.

Toth might be the 4th depth OL, I suppose.

I think all of those DT's get cut and claimed.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I wasn't wild about any WRs in this draft and I'm not ready to give up on Quez.  I think he said all the right things about his disappointing year and I'm ready to take a leap of faith there.  If it doesn't work out, then we know what we have to do in 2024.

What does concern me is what kind of offense we can run with a WR injury.  Let's be really optimistic and say that Quez steps up.  What then?  Do we have to be a 12 personnel offense?  Greg Ward in the slot?  Ugh.

If Smith or Brown miss significant time, the cupboard behind them is close to bare. I know you can’t have studs backing up every position, but I’d like to see them add someone good enough to knock Quez to #4 and Zaccheus #5 on the depth chart. 

45 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well he is a tackle and he's not deficient in athleticism.  So of course he's going to be a guard with tackle feet.  

This pick is going to work out.  The Eagles judgement with OL is beyond reproach and they also have a smart, successful history of converting OT's to OG's.  But there still remains a reason that not every single starting OG in the NFL was a collegiate OT (although many were).

He's 6'6" with a higher center of gravity than most OG's and has been reported to get too upright off the snap.  So that needs to be sorted out.

His path to the starting lineup, unless he beats out Jurgens this year, obviously comes when Jurgens slides over to replace Kelce, presumably next year.  This offense is built around a road grating OL.  We have to see if Jurgens and Steen can manage that at RG.

 

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1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Forgot about Zaccheaus...he probably makes it over Greg Ward.  That's the new Pascal.

Toth might be the 4th depth OL, I suppose.

I think all of those DT's get cut and claimed.

Zaccheus is 5’8”. He is not Pascal. Lol