2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I think 35 years of being a fan and you can lose any bandwagon label

WRONG!

I checked the rules.  

10 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Takeo we had back in 2007. 

That was a fun year. He'd go onto have an unsuccessful movie career

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

But there’s a chance he does with Josh Allen did. in 2020 Josh Allen was MVP like. And then 2021 and 2022 he was still really good but didn’t play play at the level he did in 2020. And then they started paying them at that point. Which makes it harder to have a team built up like the Eagles just had to get them to the Super Bowl. So howie is gonna have to be good at drafting, finding some diamonds in the rough in free agency to make up for the cap you don’t have with the contract at Qb.

imo josh Allen has to play like an MVP to overcome all the Qb obstacles in the AFC and it’s gonna be with a roster that’s limited in what they can do in FA.  

There is always a chance of an adverse outcome.  With that in mind, how do you propose dealing with that chance?
 

Your comment is a natural lead in to the following set of five questions that I have been pondering over the last 24 hours.  Those questions are:

1) Would Josh Allen and the Bills have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

2) Would Joe Burrow and the Bengals have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

3) Would Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

4) Would Justin Herbert and the Chargers have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

5) If the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs played SB LVII against the Eagles ten times, how many of the ten would the Eagles win?

1 hour ago, twistr said:

So Eagles fans are basically people from Philly and people who became fans with Cunningham and stayed loyal all these years? I'm also in that second crew. Started with Cunningham, then the Buddy Ryan D of that era cemented it and I've never looked back.

I’m in Northern California, but my Eagles fandom started with Concrete Charlie, and all the intervening events up to now cemented that loyalty.

59 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I know there was some back up quarterbacks talk in here a couple days ago. I don’t rule it out that the Eagles in the third round take quarterback. I think they’ll use the he is cheap for three years and then you can build him up and groom him and flip them to get the pick back if not more. Add on the fact of Jalen hurts had an ankle injury in 2021 where he missed the game and then needed off-season surgery. Then this year he miss two games with a shoulder injury. I think they were like him to miss a third just so he would’ve been fully healed. But they couldn’t do it because Minshew looked as bad as he did against the Saints and it required  winning the following week to secure the number one seed. So I can see the Eagles using a third round pick on a back up quarterback.

I don’t disagree, but imagine Dorian Thompson-Robinson from UCLA late in Day Three is more likely than a 3rd round selection.

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

There is always a chance of an adverse outcome.  With that in mind, how do you propose dealing with that chance?
 

Your comment is a natural lead in to the following set of six questions that I have been pondering over the last 24 hours.  Those questions are:

1) Would Josh Allen and the Bills have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

2) Would Joe Burrow and the Bengals have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

3) Would Josh Allen and the Bills have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

4) Would Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

5) Would Justin Herbert and the Chargers have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

6) If the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs played SB LVII against the Eagles ten times, how many of the ten would the Eagles win?

Yes to #1

No to #3

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t a "take.”  It is a contractual reality.

 

I don't know what contractual reality you're living in where you're paying one of the best QBs in the league $4M a year.  

 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The way Nick talks, I'm not convinced he didn't offer Frank the head coach job and he would take over OC.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was kinda cool that one year Chip went Yolo and signed RB's to monster deals and traded premium assets for a LB. Until the games actually started. 

Chip will always have 2013

6 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

He’s not different. He’s missed games in both of his full seasons as starter. He can and has been injured. Stop this nonsense

I swear you have a problem reading the actual context of posts. At no point did I say he's incapable of being injured. The original post was about career longevity.

Why can some Wide Receivers play long careers and others not? The answer is that some wide receivers have skillsets that are not dependent on something that goes away early - IE: Losing a step does not take away the ability that allows them to play in the NFL.

The implication is that being versatile with mobility rather than doing a single thing well like the guys who are just fast (speed is one of the first things you lose) is much more beneficial to longevity. Not sure what part of that was confusing. Especially considering I specifically said the ultimate development goal is where he doesn't need to run in the first place.

Perhaps you prefer the era of statues, but spoiler, they get hurt too. Luckily, they usually don't behind an offensive line like ours.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

From what I've seen of Richardson, he isn't worth a 7th.

You are like the Rowie Hoseman of drafting.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You are like the Rowie Hoseman of drafting.  

I doubt I could score the chicks even with a great moniker like Hoseman

 

41 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

If spending the day with Matt Patricia doesn’t force Payton into hiring Vance Joseph, then all hope is lost. 

 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

There is always a chance of an adverse outcome.  With that in mind, how do you propose dealing with that chance?
 

Your comment is a natural lead in to the following set of six questions that I have been pondering over the last 24 hours.  Those questions are:

1) Would Josh Allen and the Bills have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

2) Would Joe Burrow and the Bengals have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

3) Would Josh Allen and the Bills have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

4) Would Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

5) Would Justin Herbert and the Chargers have beaten the Eagles in SB LVII if they had been the opponent?

6) If the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs played SB LVII against the Eagles ten times, how many of the ten would the Eagles win?

Gotta just have faith that hurts continues to progress and not take a slight regression. I think you can’t wait to pay him cause if you do and he is better or just as good next year then you are gonna pay even more and likely irritate him that you didn’t get it done the year prior. If you just wait then facing a situation where he’s a FA unless you franchise him or get a deal done before FA. I think you try to get him done this offseason and hope he takes a somewhat helpful cap deal to and put your faith into him. If it fails you basically are in a bind. However i have more faith hurts doesn’t see a dramatic drop off due to his work ethic. Also the talent is immensely better at WR right now then  lit was when they paid wentz. So that’s definitely helpful so they don’t have to keep investing high round picks on WRs 

Bring in Patricia for an interview as well as Rob Ryan. We need to one up Denver. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Depending on who reported that it may or may not be reliable. If it was Derrick Gunn, I trust it. For some reason though they employ that Dan Sileo guy who is a nobody and makes up stuff out of thin area. If he said it, it’s a lie.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Depending on who reported that it may or may not be reliable. If it was Derrick Gunn, I trust it. For some reason though they employ that Dan Sileo guy who is a nobody and makes up stuff out of thin area. If he said it, it’s a lie.

 

12 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not a lot, and honestly that's the thing. It's actually not about being able to run. It's about being a versatile runner. That's actually why Jalen is really hard to stop, when combined with his arm. It's because he can run against you in a lot of different ways. Literal quickness? Check. Speed? Check. Power? Shockingly (vs most other QBs), check.

Cam had only speed and power.
Lamar has only speed and lateral.
Josh Allen? Speed and power.

Him and Fields are one of the few people that have all three - they can go past you, around you, or through you. That's why those types are so hard to stop regardless of situation. For Fields, he has the gift of being ultra fast on top of that. He can't throw like Jalen yet, but if he gets to that point, the league is on notice.

 

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I swear you have a problem reading the actual context of posts. At no point did I say he's incapable of being injured. The original post was about career longevity.

Why can some Wide Receivers play long careers and others not? The answer is that some wide receivers have skillsets that are not dependent on something that goes away early - IE: Losing a step does not take away the ability that allows them to play in the NFL.

The implication is that being versatile with mobility rather than doing a single thing well like the guys who are just fast (speed is one of the first things you lose) is much more beneficial to longevity. Not sure what part of that was confusing. Especially considering I specifically said the ultimate development goal is where he doesn't need to run in the first place.

Perhaps you prefer the era of statues, but spoiler, they get hurt too. Luckily, they usually don't behind an offensive line like ours.

Sigh.

The original post you responded to was in reference to Lamar being a "flash in the pan”, and how that relates to Hurts and giving him a large contract. 
 

In Lamar’s 2nd year, he put up 500 less passing yards than Hurts put up this year, but also had 500 more rushing yards (both approximations). 
 

Lamar had 36 passing TDs and 7 rushing, Jalen put up 22 and 13, respectively.

 

Lamar had a better season and rightfully won MVP. That year, he had 176 rushing attempts. This year Jalen had 165.

 

So you can rationalize that Hurts is "built different” which is laughable, he’s a human being and as another poster pointed out, running backs with stronger lower bodies break down quickly too. 
 

And, he’s already required ankle surgery and his shoulder injury certainly was more serious than initially led to believe. So, in his first two years starting he in fact has been stopped. By injuries. And yeah, he’s gonna get paid and he should, he deserves it. But if he maintains this style of play, he’s going to miss games every year, and his career will likely follow the same trajectory of Lamar/Cam, etc.

 

Its not about some Pollyanna view about styles, it’s about frequency. Guess which three QBs took the most contact this year?

Fields

Lamar

Hurts.

All three missed time.

56 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

 

 

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't know what contractual reality you're living in where you're paying one of the best QBs in the league $4M a year.  

His current contractual reality … $4,304,000.

 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

His current contractual reality … $4,304,000.

 

See now Matt, RTK is very confused

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Gotta just have faith that hurts continues to progress and not take a slight regression. I think you can’t wait to pay him cause if you do and he is better or just as good next year then you are gonna pay even more and likely irritate him that you didn’t get it done the year prior. If you just wait then facing a situation where he’s a FA unless you franchise him or get a deal done before FA. I think you try to get him done this offseason and hope he takes a somewhat helpful cap deal to and put your faith into him. If it fails you basically are in a bind. However i have more faith hurts doesn’t see a dramatic drop off due to his work ethic. Also the talent is immensely better at WR right now then  lit was when they paid wentz. So that’s definitely helpful so they don’t have to keep investing high round picks on WRs 

Does Hurts impress you as a player who would get irritated with the Front Office? Especially if he is getting paid more?