You can only give out something around 200k in total signing bonus for UDFA pools.

You can only pay them about 750 total.

Is there a limit on guaranteed money?

14 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Defensive linemen cannot wear numbers in the 80s. That’s been a rule for about the last forty years, so everyone should know it by now. It appears likely he’ll end up with 98. 

Okay grandpa

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Can’t wait until that 7th round DT turns into something special, and someone here tries to look up his draft pick thread… only to realize no one ever bothered to make one

One was made. It isn't pinned though.

14 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I like Steen. I had my eye on him as a 4th round option. He has that inside /outside versatility I was looking for. Good overall size and strength, big program. I think he will be more of a OG, at least that's what I am hoping, but he could be a fill in OT option down the line. 

He was a versatility pick.  If they just wanted an OG, they probably float a later pick to nab Torrence after that fall.  If they just wanted someone to project to OT, then they would have gone for one of the more raw, less ready, but more prototypical OT prospects,  

A 5th year senior LT from Alabama is your best bet to instantly provide emergency backup snaps inside and out.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I'm very excited for Dean in this defense.  I don't like Morrow.  He was signed here to start, but I'm secretly hoping that a light goes on for Bradley after 3 years in this defense.  Local kid, still a young draft pick, great athleticism, and has officially been in this defense longer than any LB on the team.  At worst, I do think Bradley and Elliss should make for adequate depth.  I'm just worried about the starter next to Dean.

I’m real impressed with the draft haul and offseason. Howie did an unbelievable job. My biggest concern is the run defense. Last year, until we signed Suh and Joseph, the run defense was real bad. So let’s say Carter and Hargrave are a wash against the run. Now, Suh and Joseph are gone. Look at LB, I think the advantage against the run goes to Edwards and White, so they may have taken a step back against the run. Maybe it was a Gannon scheme issue so we’ll see.  I hope I’m wrong but that’s how I would attack this team. 

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

Projected 2023 Depth Chart – Post Draft

Offense (25)
QB(3): Hurts, Mariota, McKee
RB(4): Gainwell, Penny, Scott, Swift
TE(3): Goedert, Stoll, Calcaterra
WR(6): Brown, Smith, Watkins, Zaccheaus, Covey, Ngata
OL(9) Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Johnson
Driscoll, Steen, Opeta, Toth/Reid/???,

Defense (25)
DE(3): Sweat, Barnett, Graham
DT(5): Davis, Cox, Carter, Williams, Ojomo
Stack LB(4): Dean, Morrow, Ellis, Bradley
Rush LB(3): Reddick, N. Smith, P. Johnson/K. Johnson
S(4): Edmunds, Blankenship, Brown, Wallace/Evans
CB(6): Slay, Maddox, Bradberry, Ringo, Scott, Jobe/Williams/McPhearson

Specialists (3)
K: Elliott
P: Siposs/Zentner
LS: Lovato

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It's very clear why we didn't give out UDFA money this year (so far). The only spots with clear roster holes are CB5, TE3, WR5-6 and OL 9-10. If one UDFA makes the roster, we should be happy.

Also clear that the biggest injury concerns moving forward are Nakobe Dean and AJ Brown/Devonta Smith. At the other spots, even for our good players, we have reasonable backups behind them.

If Howie were to make no other moves, which we know isn’t happening…I’d project as such:

QB (3): Hurts, Mariota, McKee

RB (4): Swift, Penny, Gainwell, Scott

WR (5): Brown, Smith, Zaccheus, Quez, Covey

TE (3): Goedert, Calcaterra, Stoll

OL (9): Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Lane, Driscoll, Steen, Opeta, Toth

 

DE (4): Graham, Sweat, Barnett, Jackson

DT (5): Davis, Carter, Williams, Cox, Street

Rush LB (3): Reddick, Smith, Johnson

Stack LB (4): Dean, Morrow, Elliss, Bradley

CB (6): Slay, Bradberry, Maddox, Ringo, McPhearson, Jobe

S (4): Brown, Blankenship, Edmunds, Evans

 

K: Elliott

P: Any human being other than Siposs

LS: Lovato

With that being said, I fully expect some upgrades at WR and stack LB before the season starts. And the PS will be full of olineman. We already have a nice roster as it stands today and I think there will be some fun camp battles that will shake up what I posted above. 

Yeah I really wanted Torrence, but if Howie wanted him that badly he'd have jumped up a couple spots to grab him. I mean, he did a massive jump for Ringo. I wonder why Torrence fell. Was thought of as a mid 1st by some, was a late 2nd. I'm guessing teams didn't like his body or whatever and lack of athleticism.

2 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I’m real impressed with the draft haul and offseason. Howie did an unbelievable job. My biggest concern is the run defense. Last year, until we signed Suh and Joseph, the run defense was real bad. So let’s say Carter and Hargrave are a wash against the run. Now, Suh and Joseph are gone. Look at LB, I think the advantage against the run goes to Edwards and White, so they may have taken a step back against the run. Maybe it was a Gannon scheme issue so we’ll see.  I hope I’m wrong but that’s how I would attack this team. 

Carter and Hargrave are not a wash against the run. Hargrave sucked at it and Carter is a stud against the run. 

24 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Not a popular opinion but I say no. We hurt Brandon graham’s development by trying him at various positions, DT looks, stand up looks, in and out of wide 9. Let the kid play to his strengths rather than be a Bandaid for the teams holes 

I agree 100%

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Yeah I really wanted Torrence, but if Howie wanted him that badly he'd have jumped up a couple spots to grab him. I mean, he did a massive jump for Ringo. I wonder why Torrence fell. Was thought of as a mid 1st by some, was a late 2nd. I'm guessing teams didn't like his body or whatever and lack of athleticism.

No he really didn’t. He took a 3rd round pick in next year’s draft that hopefully will be in the 90’s and traded it for 105 to take the guy they wanted this year. Wouldn’t call that a massive jump in the least. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

The issue is coverage which he did not do a lot of. His main goal was as an athletic run stuffer, with pass rushing as a secondary function. I think the main goal with him is Reddick 2.0, as Reddick’s contract is up after 2024. 

I’d say Swift or Reddick are the most likely 0’s. I’d love to see Nolan Smith take it though. 

With Penny, Swift, Gainwell, Scott, Sermon, and Brooks on the depth chart at the moment I don’t see another back coming in for now. 

I dont mind seeing a big back compete with Sermon. 

Scott should get traded to the Giants. Howie's one bad move of the offseason was re-signing him. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Well he is a tackle and he's not deficient in athleticism.  So of course he's going to be a guard with tackle feet.  

This pick is going to work out.  The Eagles judgement with OL is beyond reproach and they also have a smart, successful history of converting OT's to OG's.  But there still remains a reason that not every single starting OG in the NFL was a collegiate OT (although many were).

He's 6'6" with a higher center of gravity than most OG's and has been reported to get too upright off the snap.  So that needs to be sorted out.

His path to the starting lineup, unless he beats out Jurgens this year, obviously comes when Jurgens slides over to replace Kelce, presumably next year.  This offense is built around a road grating OL.  We have to see if Jurgens and Steen can manage that at RG.

What struck me most when watching clips of Steen was that he’s a natural knee bender. That’s a good thing. A really good thing. You add the big frame and the above average athletic ability, and you have yourself a worthwhile candidate for a future starting position.

If you get three legit starters from a single draft, you’ve really hit it out of the park. I think all four of our first four picks will end up starting eventually. 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

If Howie were to make no other moves, which we know isn’t happening…I’d project as such:

QB (3): Hurts, Mariota, McKee

RB (4): Swift, Penny, Gainwell, Scott

WR (5): Brown, Smith, Zaccheus, Quez, Covey

TE (3): Goedert, Calcaterra, Stoll

OL (9): Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Lane, Driscoll, Steen, Opeta, Toth

 

DE (4): Graham, Sweat, Barnett, Jackson

DT (5): Davis, Carter, Williams, Cox, Street

Rush LB (3): Reddick, Smith, Johnson

Stack LB (4): Dean, Morrow, Elliss, Bradley

CB (6): Slay, Bradberry, Maddox, Ringo, McPhearson, Jobe

S (4): Brown, Blankenship, Edmunds, Evans

 

K: Elliott

P: Any human being other than Siposs

LS: Lovato

With that being said, I fully expect some upgrades at WR and stack LB before the season starts. And the PS will be full of olineman. We already have a nice roster as it stands today and I think there will be some fun camp battles that will shake up what I posted above. 

 

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

Projected 2023 Depth Chart – Post Draft

Offense (25)
QB(3): Hurts, Mariota, McKee
RB(4): Gainwell, Penny, Scott, Swift
TE(3): Goedert, Stoll, Calcaterra
WR(6): Brown, Smith, Watkins, Zaccheaus, Covey, Ngata
OL(9) Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Johnson
Driscoll, Steen, Opeta, Toth/Reid/???,

Defense (25)
DE(3): Sweat, Barnett, Graham
DT(5): Davis, Cox, Carter, Williams, Ojomo
Stack LB(4): Dean, Morrow, Ellis, Bradley
Rush LB(3): Reddick, N. Smith, P. Johnson/K. Johnson
S(4): Edmunds, Blankenship, Brown, Wallace/Evans
CB(6): Slay, Maddox, Bradberry, Ringo, Scott, Jobe/Williams/McPhearson

Specialists (3)
K: Elliott
P: Siposs/Zentner
LS: Lovato

---

It's very clear why we didn't give out UDFA money this year (so far). The only spots with clear roster holes are CB5, TE3, WR5-6 and OL 9-10. If one UDFA makes the roster, we should be happy.

Also clear that the biggest injury concerns moving forward are Nakobe Dean and AJ Brown/Devonta Smith. At the other spots, even for our good players, we have reasonable backups behind them.

Pretty minimal variation in the consensus depth chart.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont mind seeing a big back compete with Sermon. 

Scott should get traded to the Giants. Howie's one bad move of the offseason was re-signing him. 

Penny is a "big back” at least for this roster, as is Sermon. I wouldn’t complain about more competition at all, but I just don’t think it’s gonna happen. Howie said in the presser that RB wasn’t even something they were considering looking at improving as they like their RB room until the opportunity for Swift came up. 

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

His kickside seemed a bit sluggish, but the anchor was good which seems OK for G.  On my limited viewing he didn’t seem to play to/beyond the whistle, so I’d like him to be more aggressive - not glove adjusting level, but I like linemen a bit meaner.

Noticed that too about not playing to/beyond the whistle. He’s no Landon Dickerson in that regard. 

 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

No he really didn’t. He took a 3rd round pick in next year’s draft that hopefully will be in the 90’s and traded it for 105 to take the guy they wanted this year. Wouldn’t call that a massive jump in the least. 

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "massive jump"

38 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

We are so lucky to have Ray Diddy here (he can't stay away in retirement) He had some great insight on Ringo. He fell for one big reason. Marvin Harrison Jr abused him in the semis.

They told Ringo to cover Harrison Jr all game without safety help. 

Did Harrison win more than he lost? Of course. Harrison is going to be a top 3 pick last year.

We went through this exact thing in 2020, when Ja'Marr Chase crushed AJ Terrell in the national championship game. Terrell has been a top 10 CB in the league ever since. To be clear, Terrell is better, but there just aren't that many outside WRs in the NFL who are currently better than Harrison Jr.

Geez, there might be 200 fans at the Stars/Maulers USFL game.  

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Carter and Hargrave are not a wash against the run. Hargrave sucked at it and Carter is a stud against the run. 

I agree 100%

In college Carter was a stud against the run. We don’t necessarily know about the Pros yet. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Don't like hearing shank issues.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

They told Ringo to cover Harrison Jr all game without safety help. 

Did Harrison win more than he lost? Of course. Harrison is going to be a top 3 pick last year.

We went through this exact thing in 2020, when Ja'Marr Chase crushed AJ Terrell in the national championship game. Terrell has been a top 10 CB in the league ever since. To be clear, Terrell is better, but there just aren't that many outside WRs in the NFL who are currently better than Harrison Jr.

I remained steadfast in my table banging for Terrell. This year, I completely ignored Ringo due to his fall, and supposed stiff hips. I never did any homework on him at all. Ill be checking him out today. Thats an interesting parallel to draw. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I'm very excited for Dean in this defense.  I don't like Morrow.  He was signed here to start, but I'm secretly hoping that a light goes on for Bradley after 3 years in this defense.  Local kid, still a young draft pick, great athleticism, and has officially been in this defense longer than any LB on the team.  At worst, I do think Bradley and Elliss should make for adequate depth.  I'm just worried about the starter next to Dean.

I’m afraid that Shaun Bradley ship sailed a long time ago. I’ve seen enough of him to feel confident in saying he ain’t never gonna amount to anything. I thought the Eagles did him a favor by putting him on IR near the end of the year instead of outright cutting him when it was obvious they needed to free up a real roster spot for Elisssss.

big time move today would be signing Deion Jones.

And if I can be greedy, Leonard Floyd to knock Barnett back out of our rotation.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Not to be negative, as I love this draft as much as anyone, but I do like to nit pick.  Tyler Steen is NOT a freak athlete.  If you take every OT drafted in the first 3 rounds over the last few years...they are a bit longer, leaner, and springier than OG's...and then plug them into the RAS as OG's, you are probably going to get a lot of scores >9.4.

Carter, Smith, and Ringo are special athletes.  Sydney Brown is an excellent athlete...but, subjectively, I'd put him a notch below the aforementioned 3 guys.  Yet he has the highest RAS out of all of them (probably because he's being compared to safeties).

C’mon, E45.  Of course Brown is being compared to Ss.  That’s what he is.  Thing is, except for height, he is superior athletically to most Ss in this draft.  That said, RAS only compares measurements.  It doesn’t measure love of ball, football IQ, instincts or technique.  All a RAS or any of the measurements do is possibly confirm what you might see on tape, on occasion.  Let’s take agility drills like 3 cone and short shuttle.  Those can confirm bend and turn.  In contrast, a great forty can show straight line speed but from a track stance. JJAW, my favorite whopping post, had a nice 40 but his 3 cone and short shuttle probably hinted on his absolute inability to stop or turn in one step.  So the RAS confirmed what we see in film.  In contrast Edwards was an UDFA because of his speed but the RAS failed to measure his football IQ/instincts. So, except for covering downfield, that 40 time had little meaning.   So here’s my point.  Brown’s RAS confirms his tape but misses on his angles and instincts too.  It also doesn’t measure his tackling, which needs some work.  Carter’s RAS confirms he is a freak as shown on tape but doesn’t measure his work ethic.  RAS (or the measurements going into it) is a tool but just that, a tool.

Bo Wulf mentioned Howie could trade for a LB before the season like they did CJGJ. I haven't looked around. Any teams that drafted or signed LBs that could have a veteran LB on the trade block?