TJ Edwards>Morrow

TJ Edwards is not 7 million per year better than Morrow.

Their philosophy at LB and S seems to be they’ll possibly consider paying an elite blue chip player at those positions but if you aren’t that they’d rather play a 5/10 LB peanuts than a 6-7/10 LB a chunk of their cap.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Not saying he is good. I am saying he is better than what we had last year. And Dean will probably be better than Edwards. 

I think Morrow being an upgrade is an unlikely scenario but it's possible

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Morrow being an upgrade is an unlikely scenario but it's possible

 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Nicholas Morrow is a replacement-level LB. That's fine.

 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Not saying he is good. I am saying he is better than what we had last year. And Dean will probably be better than Edwards. 

Surprises happen all the time...but it would be just that...a surprise, if Morrow were any better than what we had last year.  Considering how much less he's getting paid, the expectation should be worse.

But I expect a better DL and a better LB next to him than we saw last year, so it should be fine.

53 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id like Jobe and Ricks to be the guys who make it. But that leaves a backup nickel off the roster. 

I just don’t get the dislike for McPhearson.  Last year he played 99 defensive snaps.  With pretty solid results.  Everyone’s darling, Jobe, played 12 in mop up duty.  Zech’s 362 snaps on STs lead the next most on the team (Dean’s) by 22 and were almost 50 more than the #4 & 5, P Johnson and Bradley. (But for injury, I suspect Bradley would have been second.) Jobe’s 220 snaps are over 100 less than #3, K’Von Wallace.  

Run defense is a problem until it’s proven not to be a problem.  
 

The Eagles ran at a clip of 4.6 yards per carry.  They also gave up 4.6 yards per carry.  That was 24th in the NFL.  It was a big problem in the Super Bowl; the Chiefs as a team ran 26 times for 158 yards — more than 6 yards per touch.  It’s kind of laughable to assume that problem has been magically fixed already.

The personnel moves in the offseason should help with run defense, but Nakobe Dean isn’t an upgrade at ILB until he proves it, and Jalen Carter isn’t a force in the NFL until he proves it.  College excellence isn’t NFL excellence until it becomes so.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I just don’t get the dislike for McPhearson.  Last year he played 99 defensive snaps.  With pretty solid results.  Everyone’s darling, Jobe, played 12 in mop up duty.  Zech’s 362 snaps on STs lead the next most on the team (Dean’s) by 22 and were almost 50 more than the #4 & 5, P Johnson and Bradley. (But for injury, I suspect Bradley would have been second.) Jobe’s 220 snaps are over 100 less than #3, K’Von Wallace.  

I don't think anyone hates McPhearson.   At CB, we have 2 old CBs and one prime NCB who is immensely injury prone.  That means we need our depth to be a combination of ready to step in/plug/play with projection as quality starters.

He's probably at the top of the list, just above Greedy Williams due to familiarity with defense/coaches, as the first guy we'd want on the field if a starter goes down.  But I also think he's close to the bottom of the list for the lottery ticket odds of developing into a high end starter to eventually replace Slay/Bradberry...after the likes of Greedy Williams and our recent rookie additions (but above Jobe/Scott).

He's the Jack Driscoll of our secondary.  Most ready to go backup, but I don't want to project him as anything else.

 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Run defense is a problem until it’s proven not to be a problem.  
 

The Eagles ran at a clip of 4.6 yards per carry.  They also gave up 4.6 yards per carry.  That was 24th in the NFL.  It was a big problem in the Super Bowl; the Chiefs as a team ran 26 times for 158 yards — more than 6 yards per touch.  It’s kind of laughable to assume that problem has been magically fixed already.

The personnel moves in the offseason should help with run defense, but Nakobe Dean isn’t an upgrade at ILB until he proves it, and Jalen Carter isn’t a force in the NFL until he proves it.  College excellence isn’t NFL excellence until it becomes so.

New coordinator... new personnel. Of course we have to wait and see.

 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think anyone hates McPhearson.   At CB, we have 2 old CBs and one prime NCB who is immensely injury prone.  That means we need our depth to be a combination of ready to step in/plug/play with projection as quality starters.

He's probably at the top of the list, just above Greedy Williams due to familiarity with defense/coaches, as the first guy we'd want on the field if a starter goes down.  But I also think he's close to the bottom of the list for the lottery ticket odds of developing into a high end starter to eventually replace Slay/Bradberry...after the likes of Greedy Williams and our recent rookie additions (but above Jobe/Scott).

He's the Jack Driscoll of our secondary.  Most ready to go backup, but I don't want to project him as anything else.

 

I think McPhearson has always projected to CB2 as a ceiling. That has not changed.  Every position is challenged (except elites) in every new season but McPhearson starts the off season as #3 OCB.  None of the others, including IMHO Greedy Williams, have proven they can unseat McPhearson at this point.  

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Guy is a tool

Honest Question:

 

Cowboys took NT Mazi Smith in the first round. Solid player, maybe drafted a tad high. 
 

Would he even make our 53 right now? I’m not cutting Milton for him

Just now, BigEFly said:

I think McPhearson has always projected to CB2 as a ceiling. That has not changed.  Every position is challenged (except elites) in every new season but McPhearson starts the off season as #3 OCB.  None of the others, including IMHO Greedy Williams, have proven they can unseat McPhearson at this point.  

CB2 ceiling is fair.  But he's had 2 full seasons here.  If they expected anything special from him based on his time here, they wouldn't have locked up Slay and Bradberry.  That's not some terrible failure of McPhearson, but it does reduce the odds of him ever starting here by design and not injury.

For sheer mathematical odds of becoming a true high end starter...I'll take all the guys that haven't been in our defense and under the NovaCare roof yet.  Williams, Ringo, Ricks.

But if Slay rolls an ankle week 1, McPhearson will be and should be the guy that goes in.

 

 

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Puss in boots

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Honest Question:

 

Cowboys took NT Mazi Smith in the first round. Solid player, maybe drafted a tad high. 
 

Would he even make our 53 right now? I’m not cutting Milton for him

I think he'd comfortably be our 5th DT (and I bet we keep 5).  I am a huge Milton Williams fan, so no way would I slot Smith over Williams.

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Honest Question:

 

Cowboys took NT Mazi Smith in the first round. Solid player, maybe drafted a tad high. 
 

Would he even make our 53 right now? I’m not cutting Milton for him

Yes - but the boys drafted Mazi to stop us running rough shod over them.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

CB2 ceiling is fair.  But he's had 2 full seasons here.  If they expected anything special from him based on his time here, they wouldn't have locked up Slay and Bradberry.  That's not some terrible failure of McPhearson, but it does reduce the odds of him ever starting here by design and not injury.

For sheer mathematical odds of becoming a true high end starter...I'll take all the guys that haven't been in our defense and under the NovaCare roof yet.  Williams, Ringo, Ricks.

But if Slay rolls an ankle week 1, McPhearson will be and should be the guy that goes in.

Given the way they drafted this year, I'd say McPhearson's future is as a nickel CB, with Scott headed out the door.

So they kept Slay and Bradberry to buy time to develop a couple young perimeter CBs.

One thing worth discussing...

Usually, the Eagles are very conservative and careful with character concerns.  They have occasionally made some very public exceptions to that.

1. TO.  This one didn't work out well.  Sheer success keeps things in line; and that worked for 1 year.  After that, things fell apart.  The team was sharply divided.  Not to stoke up an old debate, but I blame Mcnabb's leadership on that team.  We knew TO was an immature infant.  Mcnabb failed to rise above that and make this work.

2. Vick.  This one was a smashing success, both on and off the field.  Not only did Vick re-define himself as a player, he did so as a person.  He was a model teammate and leader (remember how he single-handedly salvaged that Riley Cooper disaster??).  I don't know that I can credit the roster for this one.  I think this was coaching staff, ownership, and Vick himself that made it work.

3. Desean Jackson.  Immensely immature, but they made it work right up until a more immature coach got involved.  

 

I think Carter has the right coaching staff, the right locker room, the right veteran leadership...on paper, this looks like one that should work out.  He's going to be dogged by the media, probably more than any of them besides Vick.  That will be difficult to handle.

15 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Guy is a tool

Didn't want to have to answer any 'uncomfortable' questions about the phone call(s)?

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Given the way they drafted this year, I'd say McPhearson's future is as a nickel CB, with Scott headed out the door.

So they kept Slay and Bradberry to buy time to develop a couple young perimeter CBs.

I'd be happy with that.  I'm not sure McPhearson has been utilized much as a nickel CB to date though.  But I'd be ecstatic if Ringo/Ricks/Williams could combine for a succession plan outside and eliminate the need for a pick.

39 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

TJ Edwards>Morrow

TJ Edwards is not 7 million per year better than Morrow.

Their philosophy at LB and S seems to be they’ll possibly consider paying an elite blue chip player at those positions but if you aren’t that they’d rather play a 5/10 LB peanuts than a 6-7/10 LB a chunk of their cap.

 

I think it's more a question of will Nakobe Dean in year 2 be > TJ Edwards?  I think they are going to want Nakobe playing MLB and Morrow played the last half of the Bears season as the weakside linebacker after moving there from MLB when the Bears traded Roquan Smith. Then it also becomes is Morrow > Kyzir White. And White seemed to disappear after the first month of the season.  

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I think it's more a question of will Nakobe Dean in year 2 be > TJ Edwards?  I think they are going to want Nakobe playing MLB and Morrow played the last half of the Bears season as the weakside linebacker after moving there from MLB when the Bears traded Roquan Smith. Then it also becomes is Morrow > Kyzir White. And White seemed to disappear after the first month of the season.  

 

I expect Dean > Edwards, White > Morrow, and 2023 DL > 2022 DL.

White may have disappeared, but at least he disappeared.  He wasn’t getting trucked, blowing tackles, or torched in coverage.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

One thing worth discussing...

Usually, the Eagles are very conservative and careful with character concerns.  They have occasionally made some very public exceptions to that.

1. TO.  This one didn't work out well.  Sheer success keeps things in line; and that worked for 1 year.  After that, things fell apart.  The team was sharply divided.  Not to stoke up an old debate, but I blame Mcnabb's leadership on that team.  We knew TO was an immature infant.  Mcnabb failed to rise above that and make this work.

2. Vick.  This one was a smashing success, both on and off the field.  Not only did Vick re-define himself as a player, he did so as a person.  He was a model teammate and leader (remember how he single-handedly salvaged that Riley Cooper disaster??).  I don't know that I can credit the roster for this one.  I think this was coaching staff, ownership, and Vick himself that made it work.

3. Desean Jackson.  Immensely immature, but they made it work right up until a more immature coach got involved.  

 

I think Carter has the right coaching staff, the right locker room, the right veteran leadership...on paper, this looks like one that should work out.  He's going to be dogged by the media, probably more than any of them besides Vick.  That will be difficult to handle.

TO was an unbelievable self centered ****, Vick was a felon, and DeSean was a *****(though I loved him for it). Carter is none of those things. He had a driving incident and we may have to get on him about conditioning. Beyond that, his Georgia friends say he’s a sweet dude. You can’t say anything close or that about the other 3 (Vick after jail was awesome)

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'd be happy with that.  I'm not sure McPhearson has been utilized much as a nickel CB to date though.  But I'd be ecstatic if Ringo/Ricks/Williams could combine for a succession plan outside and eliminate the need for a pick.

 

I don't think there is much of a chance you get two capable and preferred starting outside corners of the future from that group.  If they can get one to develop into that we should be ecstatic.  Ringo has the best chance I would guess at this time.    When Sean Desai was being looked at and then eventually hired one thing I kept reading was that he was credited as being supposedly good with Seattle's young secondary.  I'm thinking Desai's greatest area of influence on the development of players is probably the secondary.  A year behind Slay and Bradberry and maybe the top backup this season should be highly beneficial.  He might never get there but I think he has the best chance.  Super young too, won't be turning 21 until late June.  

27 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Puss in boots

Do not disrespect your favorite fearless hero! 

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

TO was an unbelievable self centered ****, Vick was a felon, and DeSean was a *****(though I loved him for it). Carter is none of those things. He had a driving incident and we may have to get on him about conditioning. Beyond that, his Georgia friends say he’s a sweet dude. You can’t say anything close or that about the other 3 (Vick after jail was awesome)

He was a top 3, arguably top 1, talent who some teams may or may not have taken off their draft boards.  Some posters said they would.

Im not saying he’s a bad dude…I’m just saying it’s a thing.  He wouldn’t be an Eagle right now if it wasn’t.