31 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Honest Question:

 

Cowboys took NT Mazi Smith in the first round. Solid player, maybe drafted a tad high. 
 

Would he even make our 53 right now? I’m not cutting Milton for him

Yes. He’d make it. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He was a top 3, arguably top 1, talent who some teams may or may not have taken off their draft boards.  Some posters said they would.

Im not saying he’s a bad dude…I’m just saying it’s a thing.  He wouldn’t be an Eagle right now if it wasn’t.

McShay's comment was in December so that was before the tragedy.  The red flags are legit but as you said it looks like he is as good a support and accountability system here as possible.  I don't think the media will be on him about the tragedy once the season starts but if he comes in out of shape then it'll be an issue.  

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I expect Dean > Edwards, White > Morrow, and 2023 DL > 2022 DL.

White may have disappeared, but at least he disappeared.  He wasn’t getting trucked, blowing tackles, or torched in coverage.

 

For the DL are you including Reddick and Nolan Smith into that or keeping them out as OLB?  If you are excluding them then you're probably right but if you are are including them then idk.  You would think that Nolan Smith even as a rookie will prove to be a significant upgrade over Patrick Johnson as Reddick's backup and also as a player the Eagles will likely get him on the field with Reddick in certain defensive looks this season.  

 

 

And sure he wasn't getting trucked, blowing tackles, or getting torched in coverage but he wasn't really doing anything else either.  He only had 11 tackles in the post-post season including a 4 tackle Super Bowl.  11 tackles for three games.  This included a game where all the 49ers were able to do was to run the ball.  A LB should have been feasting in that type of game.  He started to fall off after week 9.  He had one good game the rest of the way and it was in the final week against the Giants backups.  Maybe the Chiefs wouldn't have run for 158 yards at over 6.1 YPC if our linebackers like White and Edwards were able to make an impact.  

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

TJ Edwards>Morrow

TJ Edwards is not 7 million per year better than Morrow.

Their philosophy at LB and S seems to be they’ll possibly consider paying an elite blue chip player at those positions but if you aren’t that they’d rather play a 5/10 LB peanuts than a 6-7/10 LB a chunk of their cap.

Wrong comparison Sack.  The equivalent is TJ Edwards … Dean.  How do you see that one?

If you want to make a comparison for Morrow, it is White … Morrow.  How do you see that one?

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Saint Joe’s Prep

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He was a top 3, arguably top 1, talent who some teams may or may not have taken off their draft boards.  Some posters said they would.

Im not saying he’s a bad dude…I’m just saying it’s a thing.  He wouldn’t be an Eagle right now if it wasn’t.

Yeah I agree, I made a joke in poor spirit to my friend that the car accident had to happen for him to be in Philly

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

One thing worth discussing...

Usually, the Eagles are very conservative and careful with character concerns.  They have occasionally made some very public exceptions to that.

1. TO.  This one didn't work out well.  Sheer success keeps things in line; and that worked for 1 year.  After that, things fell apart.  The team was sharply divided.  Not to stoke up an old debate, but I blame Mcnabb's leadership on that team.  We knew TO was an immature infant.  Mcnabb failed to rise above that and make this work.

2. Vick.  This one was a smashing success, both on and off the field.  Not only did Vick re-define himself as a player, he did so as a person.  He was a model teammate and leader (remember how he single-handedly salvaged that Riley Cooper disaster??).  I don't know that I can credit the roster for this one.  I think this was coaching staff, ownership, and Vick himself that made it work.

3. Desean Jackson.  Immensely immature, but they made it work right up until a more immature coach got involved.  

 

I think Carter has the right coaching staff, the right locker room, the right veteran leadership...on paper, this looks like one that should work out.  He's going to be dogged by the media, probably more than any of them besides Vick.  That will be difficult to handle.

It’s hard to blame McNabb for TO. You said we all knew TO was an immature infant. Well we knew McNabb was sensitive/insecure and would fold under pressure. So you had to know TO was gonna get the best of him eventually. 

Even 44 yo Brady couldn’t deal with AB for more than a season. 

50 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Trouble was that the press corps was in the media room, then motioned out to see the announcement of the picks, but returned back after the draft selections and he never adjusted.

33 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Saint Joe’s Prep

That’s 2 now on the team.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

He's not good.  32 teams didn't want to give a guy with 0 injury concerns more than 1 year $1m.  He is not good.  It's ok to say it.

He was also playing out of position. So all the teams were forced to see him as a projection.

I accept your skepticism as valid.  I’m just not ready to bury him.

The SB run had a significant effect on the market value of both Edwards and White.

11 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

TO was an unbelievable self centered ****, Vick was a felon, and DeSean was a *****(though I loved him for it). Carter is none of those things. He had a driving incident and we may have to get on him about conditioning. Beyond that, his Georgia friends say he’s a sweet dude. You can’t say anything close or that about the other 3 (Vick after jail was awesome)

IMO, the biggest issue with Carter is his desire and love to play football.  Does he want to be great?  Does he know how good he can be?  Is he going to invest in himself and the Eagles in order to be a dominant player?  All those questions lay on Carters shoulders but I think that's where the Eagles organization comes in to play.  He's going to be able to learn from BG, Cox, Slay and the rest.  He has half the UGA defense around him and if he sees Nolan Smith take off towards star status, hopefully he's taking notes and busting his butt just as much.

31 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

CB2 ceiling is fair.  But he's had 2 full seasons here.  If they expected anything special from him based on his time here, they wouldn't have locked up Slay and Bradberry.  That's not some terrible failure of McPhearson, but it does reduce the odds of him ever starting here by design and not injury.

For sheer mathematical odds of becoming a true high end starter...I'll take all the guys that haven't been in our defense and under the NovaCare roof yet.  Williams, Ringo, Ricks.

But if Slay rolls an ankle week 1, McPhearson will be and should be the guy that goes in. Agree

 

 

They locked up two All Pros so not sure it reflects on McPhearson that much.  Not sure the new Lito/Sheldon (when Bobby and Troy were in front of them) aren’t Ringo and McPhearson.  Greedy is on a one year contract in year five.  The mathematical odds are against him. Frankly, when it looked like we might lose a starter, he was signed as a cheap hole filler.  He was a hole filler and quite possibly as a back up. (More of a possible indictment of Jobes than anyone, I suspect). Ricks was an UDFA for a reason. He didn’t look very good the last couple years.  Not sure the odds are that good for him.  Ringo was good value where he was picked.  But he has to prove himself worthy at this point.  
 

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Nicholas Morrow is a replacement-level LB. That's fine.

White was a replacement level LB as well.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Wrong comparison Sack.  The equivalent is TJ Edwards … Dean.  How do you see that one?

If you want to make a comparison for Morrow, it is White … Morrow.  How do you see that one?

I compared them because one was let go in free agency and one was signed in free agency. The comparison is with the resource allocation not their games. Not that they're necessarily going to have the same role. The same applies to White. White may be a bit better than Morrow, but he's not several million per year better than Morrow.

 

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

He was also playing out of position. So all the teams were forced to see him as a projection.

I accept your skepticism as valid.  I’m just not ready to bury him.

The SB run had a significant effect on the market value of both Edwards and White.

I think his downside is the runt of the defense who is frequently targeted and we groan when we see him near the play.  (Don’t expect that).

I think his upside is that he’s a touch more reliable than White, but also makes less plays due to the reduced range… essentially a draw.  I think he approaches, but falls just short of that.

But I bet someone else starts in that spot for 2024.

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

More speed and athleticism is always better, but I don't really think of an off-ball LB as a position where RAS-type athleticism is a high priority.  A 4.8 LB with elite instincts is going to hit the hole faster and get to the right spot faster than a hyper-elite athlete.  One false step forward and you are out of the play.  Fluid hips and average athleticism allow you to hang when turning in coverage longer than a stiff 4.4 40" vertical guy like Kendricks.  I definitely want Nolan Smith on the field, but I also don't want to waste his athleticism on a read and react position in this defense.

I think of the waste more as him not being on the field. If we want all of our best pass rushers on the field for key 3rd downs than we need Smith to be serviceable in coverage.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Honest Question:

 

Cowboys took NT Mazi Smith in the first round. Solid player, maybe drafted a tad high. 
 

Would he even make our 53 right now? I’m not cutting Milton for him

Yes. Street is a replacement level player. In fact, Id cut him right now for Smoot who is also still a free agent. Thats the easy move. To go out on a limb a bit, Mazi might even challenge Marlon T.

34 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Given the way they drafted this year, I'd say McPhearson's future is as a nickel CB, with Scott headed out the door.

So they kept Slay and Bradberry to buy time to develop a couple young perimeter CBs.

Yet they didn’t call on Zech when Maddox went down. He’s best as an OCB. (He’s actually pretty good at MOD). I think the back up nickel back up battle comes down to Scott, Goodrich, Wallace and Evans with  Chachere as a very dark horse.  Wallace and Evans have versatility but both also are have one year left and have issues but do have some nickel experience (as does Chachere).  Scott showed some of that versatility when they tried him at S last year in PS.  But his performance in place of Maddox left us wanting and for all intents and purposes, he was benched for CJGJ and Ghost.  (The myth that a shorter college OCB should move to nickel died at Scott’s feet.)   Goodrich is a mystery but note, not good enough to get activated with Maddox down.  Nickel has to be quick and instinctive.  The Eagles seem to favor man match skills at the position. Whoever the ninth and possibly tenth DBs are have to play STs, a lot. Scott and Wallace did.  Blakenship and Jobe did too but to a lesser extent of those two.  

I think the Eagles ultimately flip a 5th for a LB before training camp. Maybe for a safety later on in TC if the team hates what they're seeing. Gotta have legit startable guys there on a SB contender.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

I think the Eagles ultimately flip a 5th for a LB before training camp. Maybe for a safety too if the team hates what they're seeing in training camp. Gotta have legit startable guys there on a SB contender.

Rather get OL 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yes. Street is a replacement level player. In fact, Id cut him right now for Smoot who is also still a free agent. Thats the easy move. To go out on a limb a bit, Mazi might even challenge Marlon T.

Marlon T is a late pick, coming off an injury, who has never even looked good in this league.  I don’t think it’s going on a limb to say Mazi would be better.

I liked Mazi. He's not Jalen Carter but I wouldn't be surprised at all of he became a nice player for them unfortunately. 

Trivia: after Georgia and Alabama, which college has the most players on the Eagles roster?