18 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t understand how it impacted Fangio? 

Me either, I'm not buying this. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They cut him. He’s a FA.

I'm guessing the 'F' stands for Felon.

What does the 'A' stand for?

53 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Pardon my ignorance on this but how does Ruggs situation compare to Donte' Stallworth?  Didn't he kill someone white DUI?  Didn't get only get like a month?

IIRC, there was a strong argument that the pedestrian was the party responsible from a right of way perspective. Not the same situation as Ruggs at all as I think all Stallworth was charged with was DUI not the death, whereas Ruggs has plead guilty to DUI resulting in death and negligent manslaughter (the latter a common charge in an at fault automobile accident resulting in a death).

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'm guessing the 'F' stands for Felon.

What does the 'A' stand for?

Athlete

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Me either, I'm not buying this. 

Fangio got an offer from the Dolphins making him the league's highest paid coordinator, gets the advantage of the FL income tax laws, and live in his semi-retirement community while still working with the Dolphins.  The Eagles weren't going to be able to match that offer.

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Call it BS if you want, but it is the way I feel.  I would grieve the loss of a loved one or friend but that wouldn’t change my view.  If impairment affects his driving, it probably also impacted his judgment.  Look, I handled and oversaw a lot serious accidents in my professional career, many involving deaths and serious injury. (Thousands over a close to four decade career.)  So my use of the term accident is no accident (term of art in an insurance contract).  We are talking about a fortuitous event.  He didn’t get into the car, aim it at her with the intent to kill her.  (That’s how courts interpret the use of the word accident). Of course, his lawyers were going to try to argue intervening cause if they thought it had a reasonable chance of mitigating the impact on their client. That’s their job.  I am not saying Ruggs is innocent, he will get time in prison.  I do think deterrence (societal, not just individual) and rehabilitation and reintegration into society have important roles in determining sentence.  

No you didn’t call tax evasion victimless. Nor did I.  I was just opining on it as a crime.  Not worse than what Ruggs did, different.  Again, deterrence should factor into the sentence as does rehabilitation. It should with all crimes.  But that’s why I am against mandatory sentencing laws.  

We can civilly disagree on this matter but probably need to go no further.  The judge will impose the sentence, not you nor I.  

 

Fair.

10 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

The chemistry is going to be off the chain.

Nolan is so f'in likeable.

I rarely EVER buy rookie jerseys. But I am patiently awaiting Nolan Smith to choose a number, and the Eagles to announce the kelly green throwbacks, so I can make a purchase for the upcoming season. I bet Nolan Smith style glasses are gonna be very popular around these parts in the next few years.

17 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

In fairness to Gannon, the Cardinals should not have put him in this position.  

 

57 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So perhaps he expressed remorse and accountability @RuebenFrank? 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I'd have bet a mortgage payment that this was going to happen. Someone up there with some potential is gonna shake loose like Corey Davis or Denzel Mims.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Pardon my ignorance on this but how does Ruggs situation compare to Donte' Stallworth?  Didn't he kill someone while DUI?  Didn't get only get like a month?

Ruggs:

Driving 156 mph

BAC .161, twice the legal limit

Rear ended and killed a woman, car caught on fire

Ruggs did not cooperate with the police when they arrived

Dog was in the car = death penalty

 

 

Stallworth:

Driving 50 mph in a 40

BAC was .126, above the .08 limit in florida

Hit a man crossing a road illegally

Called the police himself, cooperated completely.  

No dogs were harmed

 

 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

New uniform alert!   

One of my favorite things about college football are the bands and drumlines.  

 

NC A&T had their drumline practicing just down the street from my office.  It's impressive but made it hard to concentrate.  Also great cover of Refused Rather be Dead.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

No, it really wouldn’t change my outlook.  I would be forgiving in that instance.  If you knew my daughter, she would be too.  Tax evasion is not a victimless crime, it’s a crime against all of The People.  I don’t favor jail time at all for "victimless” crime. Legislating one’s own morality (calling them religious beliefs is hiding behind religion in my view) is wrong from my libertarian viewpoint.  But that’s not the point here.  The point is that we have a young man that made a grievous error (while impaired), but what value is it to further ruin his life too.  If you think three years in prison is a joke, really think about how that would impact you.  My guess is that three years rehabilitates him whereas more probably has a better chance of corrupting him than rehabilitating him.  

The value to 'ruin his life' as you call it, or as others would call it "hold him accountable for his actions" would be:  To ensure that he ruins no more lives.  To ensure that justice is served.  To make others think twice before making the same choice he made.

He made a horrific SERIES of choices that led to this tragedy and choices have consequences.  There's a consequence for each and every one of them.  He chose to drive drunk, which carries a penalty.  He chose to drive at ridiculously high speed.  He chose to drive at ridiculously high speed in a residential area with a 25 mph speed limit.   He chose to drive that way despite his girlfriend pleading with him to stop (I assume, based on videos that she had posted of him driving like that in other instances).  He chose to ignore that services like UBER, LYFT and even a TAXI are available to get him home safely.  You are separating the "grievous error" from the impairment, the errors (more than one) include the impairment.  And how ironic that this discussion would happen today.

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13-year-old softball all-star Cari Lightner was killed May 3, 1980 in Fair Oaks, California. She and a friend were walking to a church carnival and at the same time, a three-time repeat offender, out of jail just two days from a 4th DUI arrest, was barreling down the road. He hit Cari from behind, throwing her out of her shoes 125 feet, then fled the scene but was later arrested and charged with her death.

In that moment, Cari became the first face of drunk driving victims. She also represents the many pedestrian victims killed or injured due to drunk driving.

This photo was taken just hours before she was killed.

https://madd.org/our-history/

 

 

 

Cari Lightner's mother started MADD after this tragedy in order to help PROTECT innocent people from being the victims of thoughtless, selfish, reckless behaviors and the individuals that commit them.  

Where's the evidence that those who commit DUIs and are given light sentences rehabilitate from that crime and are safe to unleash on society again?  The murderer who killed Cari Lightner was already a 4 time offender.  And notice, he was traveling at a ridiculously high rate of speed in order to eject her 125 feet away from her shoes.  

For the sake of the discussion:  Las Vegas laws for DUI...

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4. What are the penalties if DUI causes injury or death?

This is a category B felony. It makes no difference if you had a clean criminal record prior to the incident.

The standard "drunk/drugged driving with injury or death” punishment under the DUI statute NRS 484C.430 includes:

• 2 to 20 years in prison (usually in a minimum-security facility segregated from violent offenders);
• Fines ranging from $2,000 to $5,000;
• Attendance at a Victim Impact Panel; and
• A breath interlock device in your car for 12 to 36 months after your release

The judge may not grant probation in lieu of incarceration.⁷ And as with third-time drunk/drugged driving, causing injury or death by driving under the influence may never be sealed from your criminal record.⁸

Note that DUI offenders with three prior drunk/drugged driving convictions who then cause a drunk/drugged driving death instead face charges for vehicular homicide.

https://www.shouselaw.com/nv/dui/laws/#4

 

 

 

 

Seems like the low end of that statute would be for the "Injury" part of the infraction.  And the high end would be for the "Death" part.  I would assume that there would be mitigating circumstances that would cause the penalty to rise or fall.  I would think that the 156 mph speed through the neighborhood would push the penalty to the higher end of the spectrum, and I'd hope that the legal system would protect the citizenry and give him a sentence more in line with the middle to the high end of that range of incarceration.

Jets save 10.5M by cutting Corey Davis. He has a 10.5M base salary, so no one is trading for him on that contract.

Davis as WR3-4? Sure, if he's on the street.

No to Denzel Mims. He's too soft mentally for Philly.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

NC A&T had their drumline practicing just down the street from my office.  It's impressive but made it hard to concentrate.  Also great cover of Refused Rather be Dead.  

With college sports it's all about the student sections for me.  Maryland hoops had some cool ones.  

 

Big fan of the jump around from Wisconsin 

 

Iowa has the best one though

 

35 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Are you using (while impaired) as a mitigating factor?  Because it's actually an aggravating factor.

Impaired driving is a societal problem that is not going away, despite efforts to make it so.  His sentence should be doubled based solely on the fact he chose to operate a motor vehicle while impaired.  A light sentence will not teach Ruggs anything and it will further endanger the public, because these drunks don't learn -- they keep doing it.  

It is ironic that impaired is the aggravating factor in DUI but not a mitigating factor in the decision to drive drunk. It’s not a one way factor in clouding judgment.  

We deal with impaired drivers all the time.  Eating, playing with the radio, talking on or dialing the phone, texting, reading (in the vehicle and billboards/signs), GPS, pretty girl walking by (or next to you in the vehicle) rote driving (anybody that denies driving by habit while commuting and you mind elsewhere if not lying is an amazing driver), conversing with a passenger, sneezing and coughing, dropping something or reaching for something, drinking, drugs (both illegal and legal - don’t take while operating machinery), old age or confusion, and sleep or tiredness. (Or just plain inattentiveness - left turn accidents are a leading cause of death, lane change are a leading frequency cause). But only DUI (alcohol and recreational drugs) of these gets a person jailed for it alone. 

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

If Ruggs’ victim was your wife, sister, daughter, etc. I bet you’d have a much different outlook. 3 years is an absolute joke for the series of choices he made. People get more time for tax evasion or victimless crimes. 

That's why we have impartial judges to hand out sentences.  I am sure no amount of jail time would make me feel like justice had been served.  

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

So 3 years from now, Ruggs can be signed as a FA?  Or Raiders have his rights?  Are the controlled years of his rookie contract deferred to then?

Not saying anyone should sign him.  Just curious how it works.

He could be signed as a FA but I think he would still be subject to League discipline.

I would LOVEEE to get to a South Carolina game to experience this.  Off the rails bonkers. 

 

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Simmons seems like another project and I can’t see us making two trades for "name” players. Baker would be enough. 

got it, i agree with that.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It is ironic that impaired is the aggravating factor in DUI but not a mitigating factor in the decision to drive drunk. It’s not a one way factor in clouding judgment.  

We deal with impaired drivers all the time.  Eating, playing with the radio, talking on or dialing the phone, texting, reading (in the vehicle and billboards/signs), GPS, pretty girl walking by (or next to you in the vehicle) rote driving (anybody that denies driving by habit while commuting and you mind elsewhere if not lying is an amazing driver), conversing with a passenger, sneezing and coughing, dropping something or reaching for something, drinking, drugs (both illegal and legal - don’t take while operating machinery), old age or confusion, and sleep or tiredness. (Or just plain inattentiveness - left turn accidents are a leading cause of death, lane change are a leading frequency cause). But only DUI (alcohol and recreational drugs) of these gets a person jailed for it alone. 

The decision to drink is made and when it is made, while sober, the plan should be devised for how one will be getting home safely (for one's self and those around them).  It is for that reason that the designated driver campaign exists.  If you don't have a plan for how you will get home, then you shouldn't make the decision to drink.

Distracted driving, inattentive driving, etc. are all dangerous as well, but it is not the same as impaired driving.  

I think what Schefter meant is that if the Eagles knew of Gannon-Cardinals interest in real time they would have been able to talk Fangio in waiting a bit before accepting the Miami job. Instead the ball was rolling toward his hire for two weeks before the Eagles knew and lost Fangio because of it. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It is ironic that impaired is the aggravating factor in DUI but not a mitigating factor in the decision to drive drunk. It’s not a one way factor in clouding judgment.  

We deal with impaired drivers all the time.  Eating, playing with the radio, talking on or dialing the phone, texting, reading (in the vehicle and billboards/signs), GPS, pretty girl walking by (or next to you in the vehicle) rote driving (anybody that denies driving by habit while commuting and you mind elsewhere if not lying is an amazing driver), conversing with a passenger, sneezing and coughing, dropping something or reaching for something, drinking, drugs (both illegal and legal - don’t take while operating machinery), old age or confusion, and sleep or tiredness. (Or just plain inattentiveness - left turn accidents are a leading cause of death, lane change are a leading frequency cause). But only DUI (alcohol and recreational drugs) of these gets a person jailed for it alone. 

There's no question that there is a moral judgment about drinking.  The reason that impairment isn't a mitigating factor is the decision to drive drunk starts sober when there's a decision made to drive somewhere to get a drink.  

From what I can gather, Denzel Mims has been a complete disaster for the Jets. He’s basically been their version of Jalen Reagor, only they kept him around an extra year. In no way should he be considered a good "get” for the Eagles.

45 minutes ago, paco said:

Ruggs:

Driving 156 mph

BAC .161, twice the legal limit

Rear ended and killed a woman, car caught on fire

Ruggs did not cooperate with the police when they arrived

Dog was in the car = death penalty

 

 

Stallworth:

Driving 50 mph in a 40

BAC was .126, above the .08 limit in florida

Hit a man crossing a road illegally

Called the police himself, cooperated completely.  

No dogs were harmed

 

 

Not that it matters legally but Stallworth was also driving in the morning after a night of drinking. Not getting ish faced and immediately jumping into a car.