3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've got no problem with it, but for me, it needs to be done exceedingly sparingly.   It is done far too much.  

Eagles retired numbers should be:  15, 20, 60 and 92.   That's it.  It has to be a Hall of Fame level player, and have something on the resume of league significance.  

Van Buren was the first RB ever to have multiple 1000 yard rushing seasons and retired as the all time leading rusher.  (He also led the team to back to back championships.) 

Dawkins revolutionized the safety position.

Bednarik was the last of the 60 minute men.

White was the greatest DL of all-time, and the all-time sack leader.  (Bruce Smith's "record" is a sham.)

That's a compromise I could handle - would still rather have all the numbers available with a commemorative patch or some bauble so that HoFers like Carmichael or McDonald get some shine.

8 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The way it ended practically demanded the retirement. But as far as the player performance was concerned? It’s a delicate matter, I suppose, but I would suggest his legacy was greater than his performance. He only played five years and in two of them he was overweight and out of shape and didn’t play to expectations. There were moments of greatness mixed in there so I can understand why he’s revered. But in no way was he ever at the level of Reggie White, who was very likely the greatest defensive lineman in history.

 

To add to this.  He had the ability to be the best defensive tackle to ever play the game.  When he had the right motivation he was unstoppable, unfortunately he didn't always have the right motivation.  Reggie White may be the best player to ever play defense in the NFL thats how good he was.

8 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I don't know.   Either him or Cole is the most pro ready QB.  I'd say that Anthony Richardson has the highest ceiling.   I'd want Anthony Richardson because I wouldn't need a pro ready QB.  I'd have a set of running QBs who have been getting me wins.  Depending on who was on my roster,  Anthony Richardson might be the QB choice if I had the 4,  because 244 and 4.43 are rare QB numbers.  My team would, still, then and now, have Terrelle Pryor.  In a 2023 context he might be too hurt, or practice squad, but he'd be there.   I've watched him close, and he never sucked, never played bad,  was often hurt.  The practice squad rules are different now and old players can be on the practice squad. 

I've certainly typed "Running QBs are Best" a lot of times over the years on many football websites. 

The majority of teams in the NFL don't want running QBs.  They don't go "oh, Anthony Richardson, 244 and 4.43,  if he can't throw so good, we can have him run 26 times a game,  like Greg Roman did in Lamar's first start, and win.  Run run run like Lamar in his first 2 years, and start his career 19-3."   Some would do that.  

Most NFL teams - the one picking first for a QB - are thinking "we suck, we've sucked for a while now, and we want the QB who is the least likely to suck right away, because we think that is the best way to stop sucking.   The normal way to do that is with a QB who can pass well immediately.   The normal team doesn't have their QB run a ton,  but the normal team who isn't drafting a sufficient runner is drafting a QB fairly soon."  If 20-25 teams all want the same kind of parts,  the price of those parts becomes expensive.  If only 7-12 teams want a different kind of part, the price is cheaper.

The Eagles did a great job with this draft, and the closer you look at the roster,  the better it looks.

I can put together a number of cool offenses with what the Eagles have on the roster.   They all have some sort of cool theme that I like.  

Starting offense - Hurts, Brown, Smith, Goedert, RBBC, Quez (or?).   

Sooners 2019 offense - Hurts, Kennedy Brooks. Trey Sermon, Charleston Rambo,
Jaden Haselwood, Grant Calcaterra.   That's neat,   2 WR, 2 RB, 1 QB, 1 TE = all from the 2019 Sooners.  I'm not all that sure how great all those guys are,  but they all are at least practice squad.  These pieces should all work well with Jalen.   The starting offense has 2 WRs and 1 TE who are all great, you really don't want to take them off the field, unless they need rest or something?   So, Rambo and Haselwood seem like practice squad guys who might be playing a lot if something happened to Brown or Smith. 
 
Bulldogs 2021 defense on offense -  Tons of the versatile freakbeasts on this list.   Big, TE/FB - Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter,  speedy WR - Kelee Ringo.  RB/WR/TE - Nolan Smith, Nakobe Dean.  Add Swift for 6 Bulldogs.

Running QBs -  Tyree Jackson, Britain Covey, Greg Ward, Ben VanS,  Mariota, Hurts.   6 running QBs at the same time.   

The Eagles have a lot of different offense packs,   Starting, Oklahoma, Georgia, Running QB.  I'd group the Starting with the Oklahoma,  where basically the Oklahoma are backups who Jalen has familiarity with, likes, etc. Normal offense, starters and backups.

And then the Bulldogs + Running QBs,  that's the versatile freakbeasts.   There are about 10 guys in that group who could be getting some snaps where Quez usually is. some are running QBs, others are high ras defense.    Mariota would be the starting QB of this group if it is to practice as a group,   and teach these players some plays, and they could take what they do in the VF offense to the Quez spot, the versatile back spot.   You could remove what Quez does and replace it with whatever it is someone does in a play.   Could be pass protect. 

Or they could throw 6 of them out there at the same time.   The Eagles have a lot of players to do interesting stuff with.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting idea.   Can you show your work on how you came to that conclusion?

I’m too lazy so that’s why I asked the question. 

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That's a compromise I could handle - would still rather have all the numbers available with a commemorative patch or some bauble so that HoFers like Carmichael or McDonald get some shine.

That's what the 'Ring of Honor' is supposed to be.  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m too lazy so that’s why I asked the question. 

Me too, which is why I asked for the work explained.    

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what the 'Ring of Honor' is supposed to be.  

Sure - but not as visible.  The retired numbers imo make the legacy players invisible.

43 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So did we basically trade Trevor Penning and a 2024 fourth round pick for Jalen Carter and a 2024 2?

Kinda but it goes farther back to Wentz, and then gets wonky because of other trades. 

 

Still a lot of FAs still available, especially along the DL. Carter and Smith are huge but some depth and injury insurance is definitely needed there. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Brent Celek’s 87 not being in circulation is objectively hilarious. 

.  Brent will always be one of my all-time favorites.   I know what you are saying.  But, he really elevated it from the depths of Maurice Johnson.  Big Mo was ok, but really nothing special.  

 

 

 

 

But, his number being 'out of circulation' is a bit ridiculous at this point.   I get not using it in 2018, and maybe even 2019... but that should be over now.

55 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Sure - but not as visible.  The retired numbers imo make the legacy players invisible.

That's on Jeff and Co.  They should find a way in the stadium to make that more visible, especially in the bowl.   There's gotta be a place for legacy players' names to be on display.   The Phillies do a nice job with their Wall of Fame.  It can't be that hard for the Eagles to do it somewhere.

Not sure if already posted. That is honestly a franchise for which I have a lot of disdain currently.

 

 

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Still a lot of FAs still available, especially along the DL. Carter and Smith are huge but some depth and injury insurance is definitely needed there. 

I think both are pretty much filled to the brim. We have 6 to 8 DT’s that wouldn’t be a stretch to make the roster. DE has 5 locks already and only probably 11 max DL are making the 53. 

They lost the NFC championship because they failed to protect their QB for the 3rd (and 4th) time of the year. 

Sucks to suck Deebo.  Maybe invest in your interior OL instead of a RB next time. 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Eagles had 12 spots available after the draft.  Arnold plus the 9 UDFA leaves 2 spots open right?  

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Interesting. Some beat writer said they had room for 12. Unless the are intentionally leaving spots open to sign some camp invites to deals. 

19 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Not sure if already posted. That is honestly a franchise for which I have a lot of disdain currently.

 

 

I don't care if they had Montana back there. Their OL was hot garbage. The 40Whiners are my most disliked team in the NFL.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think both are pretty much filled to the brim. We have 6 to 8 DT’s that wouldn’t be a stretch to make the roster. DE has 5 locks already and only probably 11 DL are making the 53. 

I think we'll see  a few more edge guys make it. And after Milton Williams I don't see anyone who isn't replaceable at DT in the right situation.

Don't get me wrong I like our DL right now.  It's just a weird FA situation with so many DL players available I could easily see a few doing 1 year reasonable deals for a competitor. And we do like to rotate our DL.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-line/available/

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Me too, which is why I asked for the work explained.    

The Eagles traded 16, 19, and 194 to the Saints in exchange for 18, 101, 237, this year's first and next year's second. I would suggest that you can separate that into two different trades. I would say that 16 was traded for 18 and 101, and that 19 was traded for a swap of 194 and 237 (basically a sixth for a seventh, with the Eagles moving down a round), and this year's first and next year's second.

Separating it that way means that 19 (which ultimately became Trevor Penning) was traded to the Saints in exchange for this year's first, which after a move from ten to nine became Jalen Carter, as well as next year's second, so long as you also account for the moderate move of swapping out a sixth for a seventh last year.

It kind of becomes muddy when you trace it back further and try to determine what the Eagles got from the Colts for Wentz and for what they got from the trade down with Miami.

I love our CB room right now.  Bradberry/Slay/Maddox are a top tier group, but McPherson, RIngo, Williams, Jobe and Ricks are great depth/developmental players too.

Give us the jersey numbers, you cowards.