12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Much higher on base and Bogaerts drives the ball, which Turner doesn't do and has never done. Bogaerts has 30+ HR, 100+ RBI ability, when Turner has never been that type of player. Turner is a top of the order table setter hitter. Bogaerts is a middle of the order power hitter who consistently drives the ball.

Bogaerts is the better offensive player.

Bogaerts has hit 30 homers and 100 RBIs in the same season once. It was 4 years ago in 2019 (technically going to be 5 after this year). He’s hit 100 RBIs twice in his career and they were half a decade ago  

The last 3 years prior to 2023 turner has been the better player. From 2020-2022 Turner hit .316 with .364 Obp, 61 HRs and 218 RBIs. Bogaerts over that same 3 year period  .301 with .372 OBP, 49 HRs and 180 RBIs. So over the last 3 years turner has been the better offensive player and the better defensive player. 

reason Turner got 11 years at $300 mil and bogaerts got 11 at $280 is because over the last 3 years turner was slightly better than bogaerts as a hitter, analytics favored turner and his fielding was considered  better. (https://www.jmanesaz.com/player-compare/playerID/bogaexa01/playerID2/turnetr01 most of these stats are close. M bogaerts has more total as he’s played 414 more games came in two years earlier but per game average/season turner is favored in a lot of them) 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bogaerts has hit 30 homers and 100 RBIs in the same season once. It was 4 years ago in 2018. He’s hit 100 RBIs twice in his career and they were half a decade ago  

The last 3 years prior to 2023 turner has been the better player. From 2020-2022 Turner hit .316 with .364 Obp, 61 HRs and 218 RBIs. Bogaerts over that same 3 year period  .301 with .372 OBP, 49 HRs and 180 RBIs. So over the last 3 years turner has been the better offensive player and the better defensive player. 

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4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bogaerts has hit 30 homers and 100 RBIs in the same season once. It was 4 years ago in 2019 (technically going to be 5 after this year). He’s hit 100 RBIs twice in his career and they were half a decade ago  

The last 3 years prior to 2023 turner has been the better player. From 2020-2022 Turner hit .316 with .364 Obp, 61 HRs and 218 RBIs. Bogaerts over that same 3 year period  .301 with .372 OBP, 49 HRs and 180 RBIs. So over the last 3 years turner has been the better offensive player and the better defensive player. 

You're arbitrarily choosing those parameters though. Also, Bogaerts had higher OPS and OBP 2 of the last 3 years and higher WAR 2 of the last 3 years. But regardless, why do 3 years? For one, Turner played with a better lineup than Bogaerts did the last couple seasons. But Turner only has one year where he's reached 100 RBIs as a player. Bogaerts has more natural power. Turner is a better defensive player, but I also think Bogaerts' bat will age better. Turner's ability to hit the fastball has been on steady decline for a few years now and has been really bad this year. Will it stay as bad as it has been? Probably not. But he's always relied on being a higher average guy since he doesn't have the power many stars have. If his average drops, his usefulness is going to drop off significantly. Same applies to him with his speed. Once that declines, same deal. Where a guy who has more raw power like and doesn't rely on speed Bogaerts will probably age better.

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

You're arbitrarily choosing those parameters though. Also, Bogaerts had higher OPS and OBP 2 of the last 3 years and higher WAR 2 of the last 3 years. But regardless, why do 3 years? For one, Turner played with a better lineup than Bogaerts did the last couple seasons. But Turner only has one year where he's reached 100 RBIs as a player. Bogaerts has more natural power. Turner is a better defensive player, but I also think Bogaerts' bat will age better. Turner's ability to hit the fastball has been on steady decline for a few years now and has been really bad this year. Will it stay as bad as it has been? Probably not. But he's always relied on being a higher average guy since he doesn't have the power many stars have. If his average drops, his usefulness is going to drop off significantly. Same applies to him with his speed. Once that declines, same deal. Where a guy who has more raw power like and doesn't rely on speed Bogaerts will probably age better.

Because no one is paying someone on what they did 5-7 years ago. Why am i paying bogaerts for something that happened 5-7 years ago when he’s  never done that since then. Bogaerts two best offensive seasons (Hr and rbi) of his career were 2018 and 2019 which would be 5 and 6 seasons ago at the end of this year. Usually when you pay somebody in free agency you do it on the last couple years of their production and what they are today and how you project them going forward. not what they did over a half a decade ago. Because they’re usually not the same player they were 5 to 6 years ago. 

also Turner played over that 3 year stretch with the nationals for a year and a half who were awful or bad and dodgers for year and a half. Red Sox made the alcs in 2021. Bogaerts really only played in a worse lineup for half season. And really 2022 the Red Sox issue was less about hitting. Red Sox were top 8 in runs per game and only averaged .6 runs less per game than the dodgers  

bogaerts is on pace for 27 homers and 67.5 RBIs this year. Not exactly worth the money either. Really neither us worth what they are getting paid so far. Bogaerts has a high OBP but Turner two weeks ago was at nearly .400 so it’s early and can change 

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No, I've always thought Turner was overrated. I've trashed the guy for years going back to his Nationals days. I've been consistent I think all Nationals prospects are overrated including Juan Soto who's more overrated than Turner is. When Soto got traded you'd think Barry Bonds in his prime got dealt. Dude hit like 220 for SD last year, is hitting like .185 for them this year. All the dude does is swing from his heels every AB. But Mike Rizzo exchanges inside information to media people for positive press about his prospects, so every Nationals prospect will be ridiculously hyped and that's why all of them never end up living up to the hype. Whether it be Strasburg, Robles, Soto, Taylor, etc.

How do you think they should get out of that albatross of a contract Nationals prospect Bryce Harper signed? 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because no one is paying someone on what they did 5-7 years ago. Why am i paying bogaerts for something that happened 5-7 years ago when he’s  never done that since then. Usually when you pay somebody in free agency you do it on the last couple years of their production and what they are today and how you project them going forward. not what they did over a half a decade ago. Because they’re usually not the same player they were 5 to 6 years ago. 

Haven’t seen any signs his bat is in decline though in terms of ability. His exit velocity and such are all still good. Advanced metrics actually look good for him. Baseball stats are very circumstantial so some years where a player hasn’t reached the same peak in production may not necessarily be a sign of decline. It can be though, it varies from player to player, circumstance to circumstance. But Turner for his career has never been a high rbi high HR guy. That’s never been his game. He’s not devoid of power, but he’s always been a guy who hits for high average, typically hits HR in the teens and RBIs in the 80s or so, but what made him effective was his speed and ability to hit the ball in play to all fields. 
 

I prefer guys with more raw power, that’s just my personal preference. We saw what power could do in the Phillies run last year. That’s not to say average "toolsy” players don’t have importance, but that’s why I said I was concerned about his ability to hit the fastball being steadily in decline. Also as he ages I think a guy who relies on other tools will she more poorly than guys who rely on power. We’ll see if he can Buck that trend this year by the time the season is over, but this year he’s hitting .218 on fastballs.

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Wow. So it’s just blind hate? Why would you openly admit that

Well, I do think he’s overrated, but yes, I have an agenda against all nationals prospects. I’m not someone who fronts, I’ll openly admit when I have an agenda. I said last year I just don’t like the guy, but I do objectively think signing him to an 11 year contract when hes 29 is going to end up being a terrible move.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Hope not. Those would be disappointing. 

That shade of green is very, very bad.

There was a report a few months ago that said Nike didn’t have Kelly green in their inventory so they’re hoping to get it right. We saw how that turned out with the midnight green so I wouldn’t be shocked if those were the jerseys. Not sure why Nike has such difficulty matching colors.

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Haven’t seen any signs his bat is in decline though in terms of ability. His exit velocity and such are all still good. Advanced metrics actually look good for him. Baseball stats are very circumstantial so some years where a player hasn’t reached the same peak in production may not necessarily be a sign of decline. It can be though, it varies from player to player, circumstance to circumstance. But Turner for his career has never been a high rbi high HR guy. That’s never been his game. He’s not devoid of power, but he’s always been a guy who hits for high average, typically hits HR in the teens and RBIs in the 80s or so, but what made him effective was his speed and ability to hit the ball in play to all fields. 
 

I prefer guys with more raw power, that’s just my personal preference. We saw what power could do in the Phillies run last year. That’s not to say average "toolsy” players don’t have importance, but that’s why I said I was concerned about his ability to hit the fastball being steadily in decline. Also as he ages I think a guy who relies on other tools will she more poorly than guys who rely on power. We’ll see if he can Buck that trend this year by the time the season is over, but this year he’s hitting .218 on fastballs.

 Bogaerts isn’t exactly hitting all that great either. With runners in scoring position he is hitting .188 on the year. So before todays game he’s basically hit the same as Trae Turner with RISP. 

bogaerts is hitting .257 vs. fastball down from 2022 where he was .333. So there’s been a significant decline from him this year hitting a fastball just like Turner. 

also bogaerts exit velocity is the same as Turner this year and same with his max exit velocity. 

the major difference between bogaerts and Turner right now is the OBP which turner before he went into a slump 3 weeks ago was near .400. So I’m guessing he’ll be closer to what his career average is by the end of the year. 

Turner’s contract will suck in four or five years just like all these 30 plus year old players signing 8 year deals. It’s asinine that owners agree to these contracts. 

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

There was a report a few months ago that said Nike didn’t have Kelly green in their inventory so they’re hoping to get it right. We saw how that turned out with the midnight green so I wouldn’t be shocked if those were the jerseys. Not sure why Nike has such difficulty matching colors.

Eagles green and Giants red color rush on Christmas would be cool.....except for the color blind population that can't distinguish between the two.

The Bills and Jets did it before.  I needed to look at the helmets to tell who was who.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Turner’s contract will suck in four or five years just like all these 30 plus year old players signing 8 year deals. It’s asinine that owners agree to these contracts. 

Yeah usually by per 7-8 it’s gonna be bad. It’s why the castellanos and schwarber contracts were actually decent contracts cause they were good solid players by the analytics and you are out maybe a year too late as opposed to 2-4 years of a bad. Frankly Harper’s contract the last 2-3 likely isn’t going to look great at that point. Although i actually think he’s gotten better from where he was when he left the nationals. 2 of the last 3 years with the nationals were ok but not great. He’s been great for the Phillies. Sucks he missed so much time last year, could argue if he played 162 games he had a chance at back to back mvps. His 162 game pace was .286, .364 OBP and OPS .877 with 30 HRs and 106 RBIs. He probably still loses to goldschmidt but argument he would’ve been 2nd. His numbers right there with machado who finished second 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

There was a report a few months ago that said Nike didn’t have Kelly green in their inventory so they’re hoping to get it right. We saw how that turned out with the midnight green so I wouldn’t be shocked if those were the jerseys. Not sure why Nike has such difficulty matching colors.

The southeast asian kids who mix the dye with their feet aren't as skilled as Nike promotes

 

So does the NFL tell teams you leak this game or do the Eagles just decide this on their own.

Having the Lions 6th is a bit over the top for me as impressive as they closed out the year I think that’s too high. I’d put Raiders much lower. I hate to say it but I think Commanders will be better than that. An 8ish win team. Bucs could be terrible but if their OL is healthy they still have a lot of weapons on offense. Giants are a bit high. Above the Chargers? Browns I think could be terrible again.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Eagles green and Giants red color rush on Christmas would be cool.....except for the color blind population that can't distinguish between the two.

The Bills and Jets did it before.  I needed to look at the helmets to tell who was who.

Was that the game that caused a lot of colorblind people to complain?  And I feel like the NFL even responded?  
 

If so, that actually caused me to think about what colors I used in my technical designs from that point forward.  Before I would often use blue and red arrows in the same diagrams. 

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

 

Giving the 49ers plenty of time to get Purdy back and warmed up.  Surprised it's a Fox game instead of SNF. 

so dec 3 seems right

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Having the Lions 6th is a bit over the top for me as impressive as they closed out the year I think that’s too high. I’d put Raiders much lower. I hate to say it but I think Commanders will be better than that. An 8ish win team. Bucs could be terrible but if their OL is healthy they still have a lot of weapons on offense. Giants are a bit high. Above the Chargers? Browns I think could be terrible again.

Green Bay is too high, and New England is way too high.  I see Green Bay winning 6 games, 7 at best.  At least a couple of the NFC South teams will have more.  Patriots will unquestionably be at the bottom of a very tough division; likely 6 wins for them as well.

I think there’s a chance the Colts could finish below Houston.

9 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

It was definitely a touching story

with a happy ending.......

It would be funny if the Christmas game was in NY and Eagles wore all black for it.