40 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

My top 5 teams for Lamar if traded:

1. Raiders

2. Saints

3. Patriots

4. Jets

5. Falcons

Take the 8-8-1 commanders with their 2023 fourth place schedule, add Lamar Jackson…

And you have a 12-14 win football team 

Denver and Arizona have been filling out their defensive assistants the last few days with Denver just signing Manusky for their LB coach. I'm curious is they plan on promoting Jeremiah Washburn to LB coach, otherwise we're going to be behind the 8 ball. 

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Ike Reese made a good point on WIP. Almost all the Eagles good draft picks have been on the offensive side. He asked their best defensive draft pick of the last 5 years and it's probably Josh Sweat, which says a lot. This draft looks to be heavy on defense for them. Time to get some young home grown studs on that side of the ball so they don't have to rely on trades and signings. This is why I want them to focus on CB. It's a good CB draft, they have a chance to really shore up that unit this year with young talent.

I posted the last 10 years of Eagles defensive draft picks.  It's not pretty at all.  They've been either very poor at drafting players or very poor at developing the players they bring in.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I posted the last 10 years of Eagles defensive draft picks.  It's not pretty at all.  They've been either very poor at drafting players or very poor at developing the players they bring in.

It's because the Eagles are too line focused on the defensive side of the ball. I believe in building in the trenches first too, but it shouldn't be a golden rule. I can't think of the last Eagles first round defensive pick that wasn't a lineman. They're always linemen. And I think they value it too much almost where they'll take a good lineman prospect over a great DB prospect. They need to diversify what positions on defense they're willing to take in the first round. It's almost like they have an automatic "no" on LB and safety in round 1. Which is asinine. I would prefer to go DL if the guy is right. But if LB is the best player on the board, take a LB.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's because the Eagles are too line focused on the defensive side of the ball. I believe in building in the trenches first too, but it shouldn't be a golden rule. I can't think of the last Eagles first round defensive pick that wasn't a lineman. They're always linemen. And I think they value it too much almost where they'll take a good lineman prospect over a great DB prospect. They need to diversify what positions on defense they're willing to take in the first round. It's almost like they have an automatic "no" on LB and safety in round 1. Which is asinine. I would prefer to go DL if the guy is right. But if LB is the best player on the board, take a LB.

I think it comes down to philosophy and scheme. As far back as i remember the Eagles built there defense with pass rush as there #1 priority and then try to fill the gaps behind the front four. Any big money invested behind the line takes away from investing money in there pass rush.

 

If the pass rush gets home, aka Brady strip sack, than it's a success. If they don't aka Maholmes, and you know the rest.

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

NFL comeback player of the year… trash to half-decent in 2023.

9 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

I think it comes down to philosophy and scheme. As far back as i remember the Eagles built there defense with pass rush as there #1 priority and then try to fill the gaps behind the front four. Any big money invested behind the line takes away from investing money in there pass rush.

 

If the pass rush gets home, aka Brady strip sack, than it's a success. If they don't aka Maholmes, and you know the rest.

From John McMullen's article yesterday:

 

The larger narrative here is that Sirianni, like Sean McVay and a number of other offensive-minded coaches, believes the Fangio-style defense that Gannon ran in Philadelphia is the toughest to deal with in the modern environment, another tea leaf that the goal is to stick with the same philosophy.

 

If they're in fact sticking with the same organizational philosophy, and the choice on draft night is between DL and DB .... you can bet a lot of money on DL being the pick.

 

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I posted the last 10 years of Eagles defensive draft picks.  It's not pretty at all.  They've been either very poor at drafting players or very poor at developing the players they bring in.

my fav defensive picks in order if at 10 are carter , witherspoon and branch

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Wonder how much he's asking for since he wants to go to a contender

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Maybe he can teach Russ how to run over Reed Blankenship.

46 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Take the 8-8-1 commanders with their 2023 fourth place schedule, add Lamar Jackson…

And you have a 12-14 win football team 

Naw. Lamar is toast. I don’t think he’ll stay healthy for a full season ever again

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's because the Eagles are too line focused on the defensive side of the ball. I believe in building in the trenches first too, but it shouldn't be a golden rule. I can't think of the last Eagles first round defensive pick that wasn't a lineman. They're always linemen. And I think they value it too much almost where they'll take a good lineman prospect over a great DB prospect. They need to diversify what positions on defense they're willing to take in the first round. It's almost like they have an automatic "no" on LB and safety in round 1. Which is asinine. I would prefer to go DL if the guy is right. But if LB is the best player on the board, take a LB.

Very good input on how they draft defense.  I'll post the last 10 drafts again.  2013-15 were Chip Kelly drafts but still the Eagles drafting.  This is just ugly to look at if we're being honest.  Josh Sweat in the 4th and Jalen Mills in the 7th are about the only players worth a damn

2013- Round 3 DT Bennie Logan, Round 5 S Earl Wolff, Round 7 DE Joe Kruger, Round 7 DE David King

2014- Round 1 DE Marcus Smith, Round 4 Jaylen Watkins, Round 5 DE Taylor Hart, Round 5 S Ed Reynolds, Round 7 DT Beau Allen

2015- Round 2 DB Eric Rowe, Round 3 LB Jordan Hicks, Round 6 CB Jacorey Shephard, Round 6 CB Randall Evans, Round 7 DE Brian Mihalik 

2016- Round 6 DB Blake Countess, Round 7 DB Jalen Mills, Round 7 DE Alex McCallister, Round 7 LB Joe Walker

2017- Round 1 DE Derek Barnett, Round 2 CD Sidney Jones, Round 3 CB Rasul Douglas, Round 5 LB Nate Gerry, Round 6 Elijah Qualls

2018- Round 4 CB Avonte Maddox, Round 4 DE Josh Sweat

2019- Round 5 DE Shareef Miller

2020- Round 3 LB Davion Taylor, Round 4 S K'Von Wallace, Round 6 LB Shaun Bradley, Round 7 DE Casey Toohill

2021- Round 3 DL Milton Williams, Round 4 CB Zech McPhearson, Round 6 DT Marlon Tuipulotu, Round 6 DE Taronn Jackson, Round 6 LB JaCoby Stevens, Round 7 DE/LB Patrick Johnson

2022- Round 1 DT Jordan Davis, Round 3 LB Nakobe Dean, Round 6 LB Kyron Johnson

On the current team, we have Barnett, Maddox, Sweat, Taylor, Wallace, Bradley, Williams, McPhearson, Tuipulotu, P. Johnson, Davis, Dean, K. Johnson

Josh Sweat is the only starter we have on defense over the last 6 drafts.  Yes, Maddox and Williams play a big part in the rotation.  Barnett has started but who isn't counting the days until he's off the team? There's a good chance Barnett, Wallace, Taylor, Tuipulotu and one of the Johnson's isn't don't make the 2023 team so you're going to have 8 defensive players plus whoever they draft this year since 2016.

1 starter in 6 drafts.  1 Pro Bowler, which was laughable, over the last 10 drafts.  Dean, Davis, Williams and McPhearson could change how this looks but a lot to be seen there.

DeVonta Smith, Jalen Hurts, Landon Dickerson, Kenny Gainwell, potentiall Cam Jurgens and Miles Sanders are by far Howie's best picks on offense and people are giving him a pass for those picks...especially Jalen Hurts.  

Howie hasn't redeemed himself in the draft room one bit IMO.  He's struck gold with Hurts, Smith, the AJ Brown and CGJ trades and adding Bradberry but long way to go to show me he knows what he's doing with taking the best players.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Very good input on how they draft defense.  I'll post the last 10 drafts again.  2013-15 were Chip Kelly drafts but still the Eagles drafting.  This is just ugly to look at if we're being honest.  Josh Sweat in the 4th and Jalen Mills in the 7th are about the only players worth a damn

2013- Round 3 DT Bennie Logan, Round 5 S Earl Wolff, Round 7 DE Joe Kruger, Round 7 DE David King

2014- Round 1 DE Marcus Smith, Round 4 Jaylen Watkins, Round 5 DE Taylor Hart, Round 5 S Ed Reynolds, Round 7 DT Beau Allen

2015- Round 2 DB Eric Rowe, Round 3 LB Jordan Hicks, Round 6 CB Jacorey Shephard, Round 6 CB Randall Evans, Round 7 DE Brian Mihalik 

2016- Round 6 DB Blake Countess, Round 7 DB Jalen Mills, Round 7 DE Alex McCallister, Round 7 LB Joe Walker

2017- Round 1 DE Derek Barnett, Round 2 CD Sidney Jones, Round 3 CB Rasul Douglas, Round 5 LB Nate Gerry, Round 6 Elijah Qualls

2018- Round 4 CB Avonte Maddox, Round 4 DE Josh Sweat

2019- Round 5 DE Shareef Miller

2020- Round 3 LB Davion Taylor, Round 4 S K'Von Wallace, Round 6 LB Shaun Bradley, Round 7 DE Casey Toohill

2021- Round 3 DL Milton Williams, Round 4 CB Zech McPhearson, Round 6 DT Marlon Tuipulotu, Round 6 DE Taronn Jackson, Round 6 LB JaCoby Stevens, Round 7 DE/LB Patrick Johnson

2022- Round 1 DT Jordan Davis, Round 3 LB Nakobe Dean, Round 6 LB Kyron Johnson

On the current team, we have Barnett, Maddox, Sweat, Taylor, Wallace, Bradley, Williams, McPhearson, Tuipulotu, P. Johnson, Davis, Dean, K. Johnson

Josh Sweat is the only starter we have on defense over the last 6 drafts.  Yes, Maddox and Williams play a big part in the rotation.  Barnett has started but who isn't counting the days until he's off the team? There's a good chance Barnett, Wallace, Taylor, Tuipulotu and one of the Johnson's isn't don't make the 2023 team so you're going to have 8 defensive players plus whoever they draft this year since 2016.

1 starter in 6 drafts.  1 Pro Bowler, which was laughable, over the last 10 drafts.  Dean, Davis, Williams and McPhearson could change how this looks but a lot to be seen there.

DeVonta Smith, Jalen Hurts, Landon Dickerson, Kenny Gainwell, potentiall Cam Jurgens and Miles Sanders are by far Howie's best picks on offense and people are giving him a pass for those picks...especially Jalen Hurts.  

Howie hasn't redeemed himself in the draft room one bit IMO.  He's struck gold with Hurts, Smith, the AJ Brown and CGJ trades and adding Bradberry but long way to go to show me he knows what he's doing with taking the best players.

The last defensive non DL player they drafted in the first round was 2002 and Lito Sheppard. They need to mix it up and start investing defensive first rounders on non DL for a change. Think about how insane that is. Over 20 years since they took any position on defense that wasn't on the DL. It has to stop.

It took them awhile to get WR right too

Haven’t been closely following the off-season so far. We still don’t have an OC or DC? I figured at least one would’ve been lined up had they anticipated ours getting plucked (as most of us fans did). Also other coaches need to be backfilled after being poached? Sheesh

Feels like our window slammed shut the moment the ref threw that flag. It’s going to be so tough to get back in the SB let alone win.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Feels like our window slammed shut the moment the ref threw that flag. It’s going to be so tough to get back in the SB let alone win.

 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The last defensive non DL player they drafted in the first round was 2002 and Lito Sheppard. They need to mix it up and start investing defensive first rounders on non DL for a change. Think about how insane that is. Over 20 years since they took any position on defense that wasn't on the DL. It has to stop.

There are only 3 first round picks in those 10 years, and it's much too early to make a determination on Jordan Davis.  Eric Rowe and Sidney Jones are the only second round picks in those 10 years.  That will give you an indication towards Howie's vision of roster building.  He has leaned very heavily toward drafting offense in the first two rounds and building an offense through the draft.  He has built the defense through free agency, trades, and waiver pick ups.  

I believe the thinking is that defensive free agents are more economical to sign than offense; I think he is likely right.  It's his method of managing the salary cap.  A CB and S are cheaper than a WR and certainly QB.  LB and RB might be a wash, but he leans toward the bargain bin at both of those positions with the exception of Sanders.       

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Feels like our window slammed shut the moment the ref threw that flag. It’s going to be so tough to get back in the SB let alone win.

"window" - No.
"best opportunity" - Yes.

We'll never have as good of an opportunity, even if we win future titles.

51 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

From John McMullen's article yesterday:

 

The larger narrative here is that Sirianni, like Sean McVay and a number of other offensive-minded coaches, believes the Fangio-style defense that Gannon ran in Philadelphia is the toughest to deal with in the modern environment, another tea leaf that the goal is to stick with the same philosophy.

 

If they're in fact sticking with the same organizational philosophy, and the choice on draft night is between DL and DB .... you can bet a lot of money on DL being the pick.

I’m 100% okay with the philosophy. It’s the guy choosing the play call in that moment that was the issue. Gannon was a fine schemer, but we need a better playcaller

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There are only 3 first round picks in those 10 years, and it's much too early to make a determination on Jordan Davis.  Eric Rowe and Sidney Jones are the only second round picks in those 10 years.  That will give you an indication towards Howie's vision of roster building.  He has leaned very heavily toward drafting offense in the first two rounds and building an offense through the draft.  He has built the defense through free agency, trades, and waiver pick ups.  

I believe the thinking is that defensive free agents are more economical to sign than offense; I think he is likely right.  It's his method of managing the salary cap.  A CB and S are cheaper than a WR and certainly QB.  LB and RB might be a wash, but he leans toward the bargain bin at both of those positions with the exception of Sanders.       

20 years. They've taken 8 defensive players in round 1 since 2002 and none were anything but DL. I agree they like to invest in offense in the draft first, but when they do go defense it's always line. I get the philosophy, but it has to change at a certain point. We'll get a good idea this year, because it's highly likely CB is the best player on the board. If they go Brian Bresee or Van Ness at 10 instead of CB then it will show how blind they are to any slight philosophical deviation. I'd agree with their philosophy if they didn't struggle to fix the secondary for years. 2022 was the first year they had a viable secondary in a long time and it kinda fell into their laps with a robbery trade for CGJ and Bradberry getting cut. They can't rely on that though, they need to start drafting DBs in round 1 to fill out that part of the roster. They've invested so many non day one picks there and they just haven't worked out.

I’m in the minority here, but I fully believe Hopkins is still a top 5 WR. Only played 9 games last year due to suspension, and was still on pace for 1350 yards(if 17 games) despite playing on that terrible team with a bad backup QB and Kyler out for the season.

If I’m a fringe playoff team with a top 15 QB, a first round pick for DHop is an easy yes… and he may not even cost that much.

Geno-Metcalf-Hopkins

Rodgers-Watson/Adams/GWilson-Hopkins

Lawrence-Kirk-Hopkins

Wilson-Jeudy-Hopkins

Prescott-Lamb-Hopkins

Jackson-Andrews-Hopkins

Cousins-Jefferson-Hopkins

….Mahomes-Kelce-Hopkins?

 

Slam dunk after slam dunk. Man this offseason is gonna be fun