18 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Jesse.

Him too

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think that came from Leonhard’s camp and the reporter was fed the "mutual” decision and hip surgery stuff to save a little face. 

That’s how I read it as well. Minter is interesting because he was an NFL db coach so he’s not just a guy with college experience.  Still seems like DeSai is their most likely external guy because of fit 

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

It might and it might not.  The graph below shows 1st Round "Hit Rate" by position.  As you can see only three out of eight Interior D-Line players drafted in the 1st Round are "hits" but 5 out of eight OTs are hits and 4 out of 8 OGs are hits.  Edge players are a bit better than interior D-line players, but still with a less than 50% hit rate.  The whole article Assessing First Round Hit Rate at Every NFL Position can be seen HERE

That’s a heavily flawed list, as it only acknowledges a hit as a player who signs his second contract with the team who drafted him.

Therefore, Derek Barnett is a hit while Byron Jones is a miss. Carson Wentz is a hit, but Riley Reiff with 149 starts(69 on his rookie contract with DET) was a miss. 
 

Those may be uncommon occurrences, but when you’re charting such a small number, that’s 20% of the QB hits, 20% of the OG misses.

Miles Sanders must know he's not going to have much of a market with this bring me back stuff.

He can come back and start for 3m.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Miles Sanders must know he's not going to have much of a market with this bring me back stuff.

He can come back and start for 3m.

I'm ready to move on and I am a fan. But, if he wants to come back for no more than a few mil on a 1 year deal I'd look at that. But it would be on top of a drafted and/or FA running back. I would not let him coming back impede the plan of getting another in here. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

I'm ready to move on and I am a fan. But, if he wants to come back for no more than a few mil on a 1 year deal I'd look at that. But it would be on top of a drafted and/or FA running back. I would not let him coming back impede the plan of getting another in here. 

I feel like if you don’t plan on using him in the same role/workload then it’s best for both parties that he just moves on. Demotions within the same company/organization don’t work in any field. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I feel like if you don’t plan on using him in the same role/workload then it’s best for both parties that he just moves on. Demotions within the same company/organization don’t work in any field. 

Well that's fine too. Gainwell can hopefully continue to improve and be even more of a rotational player. Not sure what happens with Scott, I like him but he is only utilized in spurts. If Sanders and Scott go, now you need two more guys in that room. Sermon can have a shot in camp but I'm not depending on that either. 

14 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Derek Barnett was an under the radar really bad pick in a bad 2017 Eagles draft, no question.  I thought for sure Jonathan Allen would be the pick; if they didn't like his medical then Marlon Humphrey would have been a better pick as well.  I think they had tunnel vision on Barnett and didn't adjust to how the board fell.

As has been mentioned before, the Eagles were very interested in Surtain and Jaycee Horn, but both went before the Eagles pick.  Hopefully teams reach on QBs this draft and push the premium athletes down to #10.

So thematic of past draft failures.

55 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Miles Sanders must know he's not going to have much of a market with this bring me back stuff.

He can come back and start for 3m.

I think Miles is both underrated and overrated at the same time.  He's a good back without much mileage. I wouldn't pay him too much and you can in theory try to do better but it also helps to cross off a position for a while and focus elsewhere if its cost effective

What DL besides Fletcher Cox and BG have the Eagles hit on in the 1st round over the last 20+ years?  Shoot, we can go 30 years.

They've made 25 1st round picks since 1995.  2007 and 2008 were traded away.  11 of them or 44% of the 1st round picks they've made since 1995 have been on the DL.

The only sure fire home run was Fletcher Cox.  No one wanted BG here prior to 2017 but he's now become an Eagles legend.  Mike Patterson was about as bleh a 1st round pick you can have.  He has the 3rd longest tenure of modern Eagles DL draft picks but did he make any impact on the team?  Barnett made 2 huge plays during the SB run but otherwise?  

1995- Mike Mamula- 5 years with Eagles.  Not the bust he's made out to be, however, given the circumstances and players available (Warren Sapp) he's an all-time blunder and ended up geting cut.

1997- Jon Harris- 2 years with the Eagles.  Complete bust.

2000- Corey Simon- 5 years with the Eagles.  Was great before he got lazy and greedy.  More sacks as a DT (32.5) than Mamula (31.5) while playing just 1 more game as an Eagle.  Held out then cut.

2003- Jerome McDougle- 3 years with the Eagles.  Best play was hit on Eli Manning.  Got shot but even before that, he was a bust.

2005- Mike Patterson- 8 years with the Eagles.  One of the least flashy draft picks ever.  Never played up to 1st round billing but solid rotational peice. 

2006- Brodrick Bunkley- 5 years with the Eagles.  Ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick.  Despite lasting 5 years, he's a bust.

2010- Brandon Graham- 13 years with the Eagles.  The Earl Thomas argument is long gone.  Surprisingly, didn't for a full season until his 7th season.  We love BG now, but the first half of his career wasn't much to be happy about.  Intersting stat.  13 years with the Eagles, has only started every game 4 times.

2012- Fletcher Cox- 12 years iwth the Eagles.  Another all-timer.  No arguments need to be made.  Our gripes with Cox are as of late with his contract vs production.

2014- Marcus Smith- 3 years with the Eagles.  BUST

2017- Derek Barnett- 6 years with the Eagles.  Probably only got 2nd contract with team based on cap and who was available.  Best plays were huge.  Vikings sack and SB FR.  Still, hasn't played anywhere near his draft position.

2022- Jordan Davis- 2nd year with Eagles.  TBD what he becomes. 

I don't know.  I wouldn't say the Eagles have been all that great at drafting DL.

Mike Patterson and Corey Simon were absolutely hits. Not all 1st rounders become all-pros. 

Just now, RLC said:

Mike Patterson and Corey Simon were absolutely hits. Not all 1st rounders become all-pros. 

I'm looking at the big picture, which IMO includes longevity with the team.  You want your 1st round picks to be cornerstones of the franchise and to play well in to a 2nd contract (part of what makes Patterson a successful pick).  Corey Simon was a stud but then got fat, lazy and held out before eventually being cut.  If you're cutting a 1st round pick, that's not a succesful pick to me.  The flipside to that argument is Carson Wentz.  He did get a 2nd contact but we all know how that ended. 

I'm probably being overly critical of Patterson becuase he was just so meh but he was aslo the 31st pick in a weak draft.  He had a long Eagles career but i don't think he had any impact on those teams.

It's so hard to really grade and critique whether a pick was the right pick, a good pick or a bad pick.   It all depends on what criteria we are saying equals a good pick.  Is it just stats?  Longevity?  Impact plays?  Pro Bowls?  

Confirmation that Danger Russ is an arrogant idiot

 

Let’s say we take a RB in the 2nd. Forget about if we should or not, for this scenario it’s what’s going down.

Would you rather take Achane, Gibbs or Charbonnet?

28 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Let’s say we take a RB in the 2nd. Forget about if we should or not, for this scenario it’s what’s going down.

Would you rather take Achane, Gibbs or Charbonnet?

I love Gibbs, he's just dynamic.  Charbonnet would defeintly bring in a bell cow and he's a complete back.  Achane can slash but please, no more 5-8 185 lb RB.

45 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Let’s say we take a RB in the 2nd. Forget about if we should or not, for this scenario it’s what’s going down.

Would you rather take Achane, Gibbs or Charbonnet?

Gibbs or Charbonnet.

Achane isn't even an option in my mind.  Too small.

39 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Let’s say we take a RB in the 2nd. Forget about if we should or not, for this scenario it’s what’s going down.

Would you rather take Achane, Gibbs or Charbonnet?

Gibbs

Charbonnet

 

 

 

 

 

 

Achane - He's 5'8" and 185 pounds. If the RB room is Gainwell, Scott if he resigns, Sermon if he makes the team...then you don't take a midget slasher.

 

In R3-R4 give me one of DeWayne McBride, Kendre Miller, Tank Bigsby, Zach Evans, Sean Tucker, Tyjae Spears, or Roschon Johnson. There is a plethora of nice POTENTIAL bell cow RB's in the mid rounds this year. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Gibbs or Charbonnet.

Achane isn't even an option in my mind.  Too small.

What if we brought back Sanders on a cheap one year deal? I’d trade Scott for Achane 

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Gibbs

Charbonnet

 

 

 

 

 

 

Achane - He's 5'8" and 185 pounds. If the RB room is Gainwell, Scott if he resigns, Sermon if he makes the team...then you don't take a midget slasher.

 

In R3-R4 give me one of DeWayne McBride, Kendre Miller, Tank Bigsby, Zach Evans, Sean Tucker, Tyjae Spears, or Roschon Johnson. There is a plethora of nice POTENTIAL bell cow RB's in the mid rounds this year. 

And Chase Brown. Always seems to be forgotten.  One of the best backs in the class. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What if we brought back Sanders on a cheap one year deal? I’d trade Scott for Achane 

If Sanders is back then it's Charbonnet.

So not Achane. And not even Gibbs then. Get the pounder to compement Sanders.

 

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If Sanders is back then it's Charbonnet.

So not Achane. And not even Gibbs then. Get the pounder to compement Sanders.

I can't see them drafting a RB in round 2 and keeping Sanders 

11 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Impatient to see the coordinator positions filled.  Impacting the draft board and free agent/extensions at this point. Fact that they haven’t interviewed any OC candidates suggest either Patullo or Johnson gets the job but who are the replacement candidates for their positions? If Wilson is the DC, there are a lot of defensive positions that need filling. Curious on LB coach and pass defense coordinator. 

I'm curious what they do on defensive side unless they convince the new DC to keep the position coaches

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Confirmation that Danger Russ is an arrogant idiot

 

 

4 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That’s a heavily flawed list, as it only acknowledges a hit as a player who signs his second contract with the team who drafted him.

Therefore, Derek Barnett is a hit while Byron Jones is a miss. Carson Wentz is a hit, but Riley Reiff with 149 starts(69 on his rookie contract with DET) was a miss. 
 

Those may be uncommon occurrences, but when you’re charting such a small number, that’s 20% of the QB hits, 20% of the OG misses.

Regarding Barnett, as explained in the article excerpt below, he is only a hit if the Second Contract Pay Ratio exceeds a predetermined threshold value.  The full process is described in the The Hidden Reality of Draft Value: Part 1 — Round by Round article that I LINKED previously.

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How do we define success?

Determining a successful draft pick is both objective and subjective. Viewing it from a purely nominal value, a metric was calculated to determine a successful pick. This metric is known as the SC Pay Ratio, which refers to the second contract pay ratio. It takes the amount of money guaranteed in the second contract and compares it to the guaranteed money from the first contract. 

In general, a player receiving more guaranteed money in their second contract has performed better than their pick position suggests. The data is broken down into whether the second contract comes from the same team or an alternative team.