Hold the line Dan!  Don't sell!

 

 

Sheil Kapadia really took Gannon to task today and Jordan Davis on his WIP appearance.

Is some GM out there looking to get cute?

 

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I'm looking at the big picture, which IMO includes longevity with the team.  You want your 1st round picks to be cornerstones of the franchise and to play well in to a 2nd contract (part of what makes Patterson a successful pick).  Corey Simon was a stud but then got fat, lazy and held out before eventually being cut.  If you're cutting a 1st round pick, that's not a succesful pick to me.  The flipside to that argument is Carson Wentz.  He did get a 2nd contact but we all know how that ended. 

I'm probably being overly critical of Patterson becuase he was just so meh but he was aslo the 31st pick in a weak draft.  He had a long Eagles career but i don't think he had any impact on those teams.

It's so hard to really grade and critique whether a pick was the right pick, a good pick or a bad pick.   It all depends on what criteria we are saying equals a good pick.  Is it just stats?  Longevity?  Impact plays?  Pro Bowls?  

I understand your perspective, but I believe you are lumping two or three distinctly different areas into one.  Carson Wentz leaving the team really had nothing to do with the decision to draft him, or the homework the scouts did about him leading up to the decision to draft him.  Said another way, how could the scouts or Howie or Doug have foreseen/anticipated the morphing of Wentz four plus years down the line.  Bottom-line they not only couldn’t have foreseen/anticipated that future scenario.  The implosion of Wentz and the evaporation of his value is a failing of the team with Howie, the coaches, and his fellow players all sharing in that failure, but it has nothing to do with the Draft.

Similarly, the Poyer and Douglass cases represent failures that can’t and shouldn’t be attributed to the scouting and Draft Day selection process, but rather to the player development process and roster management process.

In the end, your comprehensive/inclusive assessment is appropriate for the Front Office as a whole, but is a bridge too far in my opinion as a measuring stick for assessing the success/failure of Draft decisions.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Is some GM out there looking to get cute?

 

Hope so. Maybe Murphy or someone  will fall if there’s an early run on QBs

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand your perspective, but I believe you are lumping two or three distinctly different areas into one.  Carson Wentz leaving the team really had nothing to do with the decision to draft him, or the homework the scouts did about him leading up to the decision to draft him.  Said another way, how could the scouts or Howie or Doug have foreseen/anticipated the morphing of Wentz four plus years down the line.  Bottom-line they not only couldn’t have foreseen/anticipated that future scenario.  The implosion of Wentz and the evaporation of his value is a failing of the team with Howie, the coaches, and his fellow players all sharing in that failure, but it has nothing to do with the Draft.

Similarly, the Poyer and Douglass cases represent failures that can’t and shouldn’t be attributed to the scouting and Draft Day selection process, but rather to the player development process and roster management process.

In the end, your comprehensive/inclusive assessment is appropriate for the Front Office as a whole, but is a bridge too far in my opinion as a measuring stick for assessing the success/failure of Draft decisions.

Poyer was drafted as and played as a CB here. He was converted to safety in Cleveland. That’s a failure of both scouts and coaches. Though he was a 7th rounder so it’s not really a "failure” per se, but it’s ridiculous to claim Poyer as a "success” for the Eagles in any way

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Not really Eagles related just thinking about the draft a little bit.  The Bears have the most amount of Cap Space in the NFL.  If you were them would you trade the #1 pick in the draft for Lamar Jackson?  Would it cost more or less than that in a trade?

The Bears have Lamar Jackson already; he just goes by a different name in Chicago -- and on a rookie contract for 3 more years.  

30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Is some GM out there looking to get cute?

 

Richardson is going to light the combine on fire like no other QB in history, coupled with the fact that it will be evident fairly early that he has the biggest arm with the tightest release, it will be more than enough for at least sucker to bite.

The damn near miraculous development of Hurts and Allen as elite passers will give a lot of teams hope that they can develop Richardson.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Richardson is going to light the combine on fire like no other QB in history, coupled with the fact that it will be evident fairly early that he has the biggest arm with the tightest release, it will be more than enough for at least sucker to bite.

The damn near miraculous development of Hurts and Allen as elite passers will give a lot of teams hope that they can develop Richardson.

You're assuming (probably correctly) that he will be the Raiders pick at #7, as Davis and McDaniels are about as "sucker" as it gets.  The question would be .... is there someone dumber -- Irsay??

Kelee Ringo went from top 5-10 picks in many mocks a couple months ago to late 2nd early 3rd in many now.  If we could land him at end of 2nd that would be a steal

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Poyer was drafted as and played as a CB here. He was converted to safety in Cleveland. That’s a failure of both scouts and coaches. Though he was a 7th rounder so it’s not really a "failure” per se, but it’s ridiculous to claim Poyer as a "success” for the Eagles in any way

Made this argument a couple years back. Eagles had poyer as corner. He was released by the team as a corner. So he was at that position where he wasn’t nearly as good and so much so they decided to release him back in 2013 in October. If he didn’t get released and cleveland shift him to safety then there’s a chance he might have flamed out as a corner or just a journeyman around the league or out of the league all together. Cleveland had the wherewithal to move him to safety and coach him up there. 

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

Kelee Ringo went from top 5-10 picks in many mocks a couple months ago to late 2nd early 3rd in many now.  If we could land him at end of 2nd that would be a steal

I like Phillips the kid out of utah. I don’t think he’s ever gonna be a Ramsey or sauce type of corner. But i could see him having a really good career like Sheldon brown who was good for a long time 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like Phillips the kid out of utah. I don’t think he’s ever gonna be a Ramsey or sauce type of corner. But i could see him having a really good career like Sheldon brown who was good for a long time 

A Witherspoon/Phillips combo could be Lito/Sheldon Part Deux.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

A Witherspoon/Phillips combo could be Lito/Sheldon Part Deux.

7 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Kelee Ringo went from top 5-10 picks in many mocks a couple months ago to late 2nd early 3rd in many now.  If we could land him at end of 2nd that would be a steal

There is a reason for that, the dude can't move laterally.

I like Ricks out of Bama much more.

I heard Charlie Weis on the radio this morning saying what I've been saying for awhile now.  Not sure why Will Levis is rated as a higher prospect than Hendon Hooker.  His point was if Hooker hadn't gotten injured Tennessee likely would have been in the CFP.  He pointed out over two seasons at Tennessee Hooker had 58 TDs and 5 INT, where Levis went for 43 TDs and 23 INT.

Apparently Weis' kid is a coach at Ole Miss and Weis watched Levis up close.  Weis said he had a really bad game.  The stats don't really bear that out, as Levis went 18-for-24 for 220 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INT.  There must have been some plays Levis left on the field but without seeing the game I can't agree he was "bad".  I do agree most scouts are overvaluing Levis and undervaluing Hooker, though.  I think the injury and his age (25) is pushing him down.  I think Hooker will be a really good pick for some team, though.  

If he's on the board at #94 I'd be tempted to take him.  The Eagles don't have a #2 QB under contract for 2023.

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

A Witherspoon/Phillips combo could be Lito/Sheldon Part Deux.

I watched some film on Witherspoon yesterday.  Very impressive for sure.  I'm gonna channel my inner E45 -- how fast can he run?

I don't see it with Levis at all. His looked so erratic every time I saw him and I don't think he has off the charts physical ability to make up for it. Feel like he's gonna be a Trubisky. A major regret in the top 10 by some team.

13 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Kelee Ringo went from top 5-10 picks in many mocks a couple months ago to late 2nd early 3rd in many now.  If we could land him at end of 2nd that would be a steal

He will brb in rd 1 , after combine 

25 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Poyer was drafted as and played as a CB here. He was converted to safety in Cleveland. That’s a failure of both scouts and coaches. Though he was a 7th rounder so it’s not really a "failure” per se, but it’s ridiculous to claim Poyer as a "success” for the Eagles in any way

That isn’t the question.  Was he a success as an NFL player?

18 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We lost our first FA. 

Fire Howie NOW

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That isn’t the question.  Was he a success as an NFL player?

Who cares? He wasn’t a success for us

Levi’s didn’t have a receiver in the top 100

OL was brutal. , he was sacked 46 times , 100 teams did better 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Made this argument a couple years back. Eagles had poyer as corner. He was released by the team as a corner. So he was at that position where he wasn’t nearly as good and so much so they decided to release him back in 2013 in October. If he didn’t get released and cleveland shift him to safety then there’s a chance he might have flamed out as a corner or just a journeyman around the league or out of the league all together. Cleveland had the wherewithal to move him to safety and coach him up there. 

I agree with everything you said, but lots of Safeties in the NFL are converted Corners.  Malcolm Jenkins for example.  McCourty in New England.  CJGJ.  Having a college Corner convert to NFL Safety is pretty much the same as a college Tackle converting to NFL Guard.

I can't wait for the kelly green alternates to go on sale. I assume at some point this offseason the Eagles are going to have an official unveiling. Any idea when that will be?