36 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Poyer was drafted as and played as a CB here. He was converted to safety in Cleveland. That’s a failure of both scouts and coaches. Though he was a 7th rounder so it’s not really a "failure” per se, but it’s ridiculous to claim Poyer as a "success” for the Eagles in any way

If you get a warm body out of the 7th round that is a success.  The definition of crap shoot from a Draft perspective.  However, coaches are supposed to maximize the talent they are given regardless of how they got to be on the roster.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I can't wait for the kelly green alternates to go on sale. I assume at some point this offseason the Eagles are going to have an official unveiling. Any idea when that will be?

 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I can't wait for the kelly green alternates to go on sale. I assume at some point this offseason the Eagles are going to have an official unveiling. Any idea when that will be?

Was that tweet with the helmets real or a fan thing?

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree with everything you said, but lots of Safeties in the NFL are converted Corners.  Malcolm Jenkins for example.  McCourty in New England.  CJGJ.  Having a college Corner convert to NFL Safety is pretty much the same as a college Tackle converting to NFL Guard.

I disagree with that but the eagles wanted him to be a corner and didn’t move him there. They released him to acquire the roster spot cause they didn’t think he was worth the roster spot to with what he was at corner at that time nor did they think about that conversion. That’s my issue. It took cleveland realizing that he was better off at safety then corner not the eagles 

28 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

A Witherspoon/Phillips combo could be Lito/Sheldon Part Deux.

Really like Witherspoon a lot. I mentioned it after the SB i think he moves up into the top 10. He’s really impressive. I think porter has the athleticism and length with his upside you like more but Witherspoon when you watch him imo is the better corner right now and kind of think his floor is slightly higher 

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If you get a warm body out of the 7th round that is a success.  The definition of crap shoot from a Draft perspective.  However, coaches are supposed to maximize the talent they are given regardless of how they got to be on the roster.

And if you get a hot body in the 7th its a STEAL

 

 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Was that tweet with the helmets real or a fan thing?

Fan

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If you get a warm body out of the 7th round that is a success.  The definition of crap shoot from a Draft perspective.  However, coaches are supposed to maximize the talent they are given regardless of how they got to be on the roster.

He wasn’t even really a warm body. That’s a pretty low bar to set, even for a 7th rounder. Regardless, I’d say he was ultimately a failure for us because another team saw his value as a safety, converted him and turned him into an all pro. 
 

If our scouts had identified his skills translating to safety and the coaching staff ignored this, you can blame the coaches. We’ll never know that, so everybody shares in the failure.

Normally agree with solak but not on this. Not even a little bit 

 

Robinson at 10? NO

Robinson at 25-30? Yes

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Normally agree with solak but not on this. Not even a little bit 

 

Robinson is the best RB prospect I've seen in the last 5 years, but the Eagles don't need a great RB.  They need a solid 3-down type of lead RB who can tote the rock and catch well out of the backfield as part of a RBBC.  Round 3 is the sweet spot for RB IMO.

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Fan

Damn. Had my hopes up

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Damn. Had my hopes up

They didn't get the black alternate unis even close to right.  I wouldn't hold my breath that they'll ace the Kelly Green ones.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I disagree with that but the eagles wanted him to be a corner and didn’t move him there. They released him to acquire the roster spot cause they didn’t think he was worth the roster spot to with what he was at corner at that time nor did they think about that conversion. That’s my issue. It took cleveland realizing that he was better off at safety then corner not the eagles 

Who were the Eagles Safeties at the time? The existing depth at Safety may have been a contributing factor. I really don’t know. Cleveland clearly had enough spare coaching time to devote to him. 

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Robinson at 10? NO

Robinson at 25-30? Yes

I am fine at the end of the first round of you view him as a great back and the best player. I made that case a couple years back when the chiefs decided to go CEH with the last pick. Essentially if he’s the best player available and a great talent then you get the 5 cheapest years of his contract (fifth year option) and likely 5 best prime years. Then can just franchise him next 2 years if you really wanted to cause for the position it’s not a horrible burden then move on. However i still don’t think the eagles do it unless it’s like a mccaffrey type back who can also be used like a WR and RB 

Just now, mattwill said:

Who were the Eagles Safeties at the time? The existing depth at Safety may have been a contributing factor. I really don’t know. Cleveland clearly had enough spare coaching time to devote to him. 

At the time in 2013 i believe chung and Allen.  Backup with earl wolff

 

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Was that tweet with the helmets real or a fan thing?

It was a fan made.  I can't tell if TempLids is the creator or if this guy TempDaddy who maybe works for SportCoatNA made it?  Both are tagged in the OG tweet under the image.  Either way, the helmet has no connection to the Eagles new uniforms.  I love it and I hope that's exactly what they do and do full time.  

It's also a great example of how fast things can spread on twitter as "misinformation".   WIP shared it, gave credit to SportCoatNA yet still claims it's the Eagles new helmet.  I also hope they realize the image of Ellis Hobbs is not the same helmet design that we ae getting.  A number of other Philly twitter accounts picked it up and shared it too.  None of them clarify that it's a mockup even though that's all it is.

 

Wouldn't even take Robinson at 30. RB in the first round is never a smart move.

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He wasn’t even really a warm body. That’s a pretty low bar to set, even for a 7th rounder. Regardless, I’d say he was ultimately a failure for us because another team saw his value as a safety, converted him and turned him into an all pro. 
 

If our scouts had identified his skills translating to safety and the coaching staff ignored this, you can blame the coaches. We’ll never know that, so everybody shares in the failure.

If you look at the graph below, less than one in five 7th round players even gets a second contract, so what you characterize as failure is normal.  In baseball terms 7th round picks on average don’t even bat .200.  Or in Las Vegas terms the dice you roll will only produce a positive outcome less than one time out of five.  Further, what the two 7th round bars in the graph show us is that that one player out of five is three times as likely to move to another team as stay with the drafting team.  When you multiply 1/5 times 1/4 you get 1/20.  One hit out of 20 swings.

 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wouldn't even take Robinson at 30. RB in the first round is never a smart move.

I wouldn't say that.  Pick 31 has a value of $12.3 million and a cap hit of $2.2 million.  If Robinson is the real deal, you're getting that 4-year deal with the 5th year option.  I'd do that in a heartbeat.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If you look at the graph below, less than one in five 7th round players even gets a second contract, so what you characterize as failure is normal.  In baseball terms 7th round picks on average don’t even bat .200.  Or in Las Vegas terms the dice you roll will only produce a positive outcome less than one time out of five.  Further, what the two 7th round bars in the graph show us is that that one player out of five is three times as likely to move to another team as stay with the drafting team.  When you multiply 1/5 times 1/4 you get 1/20.  One hit out of 20 swings.

 

Yes I understand that. Proclaiming him a successful draft pick for the Eagles is wrong. Jordan Mailata, a similar 7th round selection, was a successful draft pick for the Eagles.

 

Poyer "wasted” a 7th round selection, didn’t contribute on the field, and gave us nothing upon his departure. That’s a failure. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I wouldn't say that.  Pick 31 has a value of $12.3 million and a cap hit of $2.2 million.  If Robinson is the real deal, you're getting that 4-year deal with the 5th year option.  I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Reasons I don't take RB in the first round no matter what:

1. Can find quality RBs in mid rounds, especially if you have a quality OL blocking for them.

2. Because of that, you want to invest in the first round in positions that are not just more important, but harder to hit on in the later rounds.

3. Smart teams don't pay big money to RBs. So if you spend a first round pick on a RB and he absolutely balls out, a smart team would not re-sign him. Meaning you spent a first round pick on a 4 year investment.

4. It's a position that generally declines around the age of 27.

Any pick you waste on a RB in the first round is a pick that could've gone to bolster a more important position that is harder to fill. It's just not a wise investment, no matter what. Even if it's a generational RB, you can still win Super Bowls with guys you can get in the mid rounds.

RB at 30 is fine, from a BPA/cost perspective. It's the top 20 that you have to avoid.

This draft is also hella weak with only 15ish players with 1 round grades, Robinson is one of them. If he is there at 30, you take him and don't look back.