Anyone think Bobby Wagner is a legit option for us?

Since he’s being cut it won’t count against the comp picks and we would get a nice comp pick in return for TJ.  Not sure what the salaries would look like for both when all is said and done

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Anyone think Bobby Wagner is a legit option for us?

Since he’s being cut it won’t count against the comp picks and we would get a nice comp pick in return for TJ.  Not sure what the salaries would look like for both when all is said and done

 

 

 

Not sure what he has left. Would be a takeo spikes move. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Slay is a great teammate for sure but his play declined in the 2nd half of the season and he costs a ton of money.  If you can move him and not kill the cap, I think it's a no brainer.  Getting out from under his contract rather than extending/restructuring is the way to go.

Incredible. Heard these same arguments about Asante samuel/Sheldon brown for years and then suffered through years of trying to fill the gaps when they left. Enough. He’s an excellent corner. 

50 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

It’s always crazy to me how one players body can break down like that. Yet someone like Frank Gore can play as physically as he did for an extended period of time. 

Gore’s longevity and time with the eagles really made me learn to appreciate him more….. 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How?  Just an honest question.  

Regular human beings don't shoot themselves up with toradol to get through the workday 

2 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Incredible. Heard these same arguments about Asante samuel/Sheldon brown for years and then suffered through years of trying to fill the gaps when they left. Enough. He’s an excellent corner. 

Eagles moved on from both Brown and Samuel when they were 30.  Brown played 3 years after the Eagles.  Samuel played 2 more years in Atlanta and was no where near the same player he was in his prime as a Patriot and Eagle.  

Slay is 32 and it's clear that while he was still a decent CB, his play the first half of the year was much better.  He's due a TON of money.  His cap number next year is $26 million.  There is no way the Eagles are paying him that.  Either he gets restructured/extened while kicking the can even further and keeping him an Eagle as he continues to age or they move him.  

 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How?  Just an honest question.  

Covid controversy aside vaccine requirements have been a standard part of participation in schools, admission to countries, membership in leagues etc.   

Injecting pain killers for the sole purposes of allowing a player to play through an injury and potentially doing long term damage is different

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Regular human beings don't shoot themselves up with toradol to get through the workday 

Lots of regular human beings take a lot of meds just to make it through the day.  I think this is a hugely overlooked part of society. 

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Covid controversy aside vaccine requirements have been a standard part of participation in schools, admission to countries, membership in leagues etc.   

Injecting pain killers for the sole purposes of allowing a player to play through an injury and potentially doing long term damage is different

Jones is questioning the long-term effects of pills and injections being forced or given to him by the NFL.  Beasley did the same thing.

We don't know long-term effects of any of it. It think it's OK and applaud both for questioning.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eagles moved on from both Brown and Samuel when they were 30.  Brown played 3 years after the Eagles.  Samuel played 2 more years in Atlanta and was no where near the same player he was in his prime as a Patriot and Eagle.  

Slay is 32 and it's clear that while he was still a decent CB, his play the first half of the year was much better.  He's due a TON of money.  His cap number next year is $26 million.  There is no way the Eagles are paying him that.  Either he gets restructured/extened while kicking the can even further and keeping him an Eagle as he continues to age or they move him.  

 

Look to restructure. 

12 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Anyone think Bobby Wagner is a legit option for us?

Since he’s being cut it won’t count against the comp picks and we would get a nice comp pick in return for TJ.  Not sure what the salaries would look like for both when all is said and done

 

 

 

I would prefer Lavonte David if they want an older vet, but doubt Howie will be in on any upper tier LB due to the flawed thought process on the position. Unless watching the Chiefs linebackers f us up in the Super Bowl changed his thinking. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Jones is questioning the long-term effects of pills and injections being forced or given to him by the NFL.  Beasley did the same thing.

We don't know long-term effects of any of it. It think it's OK and applaud both for questioning.

One is a league-wide mandate/recommendation, the other is a team doctor/trainer recommendation. The NFL as a league body doesn’t care if players do or don’t take pills or injections. That’s an individual team thing. The COVID shots are a league wide thing though, with outside consult.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Comparing apples to oranges. 

Why?

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Bruh….YOU said there’s no difference between the 7th round and UDFAs. 

There isn’t.  Look at the typical 7th round contract and the typical UDFA contract.  They are virtually identical.  Follow the money.  It is the ultimate measuring stick.

8 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Look to restructure. 

I have a hard time believing that Howie is going to restructure him at 32 years old. He is either going to bite the bullet for 2023 and then Slay becomes a FA in 2024, or he's going to try to trade him. Slay is set to have the highest cap number for a CB in 2023. If they trade him this off-season, they would at least be able to get some compensation back as far as another player or additional draft picks. After the 2023 season, his value greatly declines.

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I have a hard time believing that Howie is going to restructure him at 32 years old. He is either going to bite the bullet for 2023 and then Slay becomes a FA in 2024, or he's going to try to trade him. Slay is set to have the highest cap number for a CB in 2023. If they trade him this off-season, they would at least be able to get some compensation back as far as another player or additional draft picks. After the 2023 season, his value greatly declines.

I think they restructure him and tack on a year next year with a minimal salary that automatically voids so they can post June 1st him next year. That’s been Howies MO with moving on from expensive players. He essentially gets to spread dead money over three years and still has one year of play for the team. 

50 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Yes it is very much different

I guess Pfizer doesn’t make the injections he is talking about cause if they do look out 

 

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

There isn’t.  Look at the typical 7th round contract and the typical UDFA contract.  They are virtually identical.  Follow the money.  It is the ultimate measuring stick.

7th round draft picks are more advantageous for the team while being a UDFA is more advantageous for the player since they have flexibility to choose a team that better suits their skills or less competition for them. 7th round picks are guaranteed to be given a contract, whether they decide to sign it or not is irrelevant. A UDFA is not guaranteed a contract and has the potential to remain unsigned and never get an opportunity to even make it to training camp. 

7th round contracts are for 4 years while UDFAs are 3 years. On average the signing bonus is higher for 7th rounders. Plus the 7th rounder is far more likely to make the roster or practice squad due to their contract costing the team more if they are cut.

The total value for the very last pick in the 2023 draft is $3,923,808 with a 1st year base salary of $750,000. Everyone’s favorite Carson Strong had a max contract value of $2,560,000 and a 1st year base salary of $300,000. The 7th round contract is worth more per year. And this is comparing the least valuable draft pick vs a higher end UDFA contract, which 95% of UDFAs won’t get.

Obviously there are several instances of 7th round busts and successes, just like UDFA. To say there is no difference is not entirely correct. There’s also very rare instances where being a UDFA pays off more, like with La’El Collins. 

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Anyone think Bobby Wagner is a legit option for us?

Since he’s being cut it won’t count against the comp picks and we would get a nice comp pick in return for TJ.  Not sure what the salaries would look like for both when all is said and done

 

 

 

 

Really depends 9n how much money is looking for.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

There isn’t.  Look at the typical 7th round contract and the typical UDFA contract.  They are virtually identical.  Follow the money.  It is the ultimate measuring stick.

Huge difference. No competition to sign a 7th rounder.

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Anyone get the feeling the Eagles taking this long to name a DC means they aren't in love with any of the candidates?

If you start hearing new names being interviewed you can infer that.  I’m inclined to take what we’ve heard at face value — they interviewed Joseph and saw there wasn’t a match philosophically, they interviewed Leonhard and didn’t see a "fit”, and are likely to hire either Desai or Wilson.  Either way, I think the Eagles know who the two coordinators are and there isn’t any risk of either one backing out or taking another position.  This means they’re interviewing vacant position coach spots and seek to announce all at the same time.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you start hearing new names being interviewed you can infer that.  I’m inclined to take what we’ve heard at face value — they interviewed Joseph and saw there wasn’t a match philosophically, they interviewed Leonhard and didn’t see a "fit”, and are likely to hire either Desai or Wilson.  Either way, I think the Eagles know who the two coordinators are and there isn’t any risk of either one backing out or taking another position.  This means they’re interviewing vacant position coach spots and seek to announce all at the same time.

 

I don't think they would hold up announcing coordinators on position coach hires.  I do think they are waiting to announce the OC until they have the DC hire figured out so they can announce both of those at the same time.  

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

7th round draft picks are more advantageous for the team while being a UDFA is more advantageous for the player since they have flexibility to choose a team that better suits their skills or less competition for them. 7th round picks are guaranteed to be given a contract, whether they decide to sign it or not is irrelevant. A UDFA is not guaranteed a contract and has the potential to remain unsigned and never get an opportunity to even make it to training camp. . 

The Eagles can’t have a UDFA without there being a signed contract in place.  That applies to Traing Camp as well as the Preseason.  So, for example Blankenship had a signed contract, and all the Eagles’ UDFAs who did not make the 53-man roster also had signed contracts.  A team’s Draftees, regardless of the round they are chosen in, are not given a contract, they are offered a contract.  That contract is neither valid nor enforceable until it is mutually accepted and signed by both parties.  A team’s UDFAs actually have a valid enforceable contract that has already been accepted and signed by both parties.

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7th round contracts are for 4 years while UDFAs are 3 years. On average the signing bonus is higher for 7th rounders. Plus the 7th rounder is far more likely to make the roster or practice squad due to their contract costing the team more if they are cut.

I suspect (but do not know) that the average signing bonus of UDFAs who make the 53-man roster are very close to the average signing bonuses of 7the Round picks who make the roster. UDFA contracts are effectively 4 years as well because they do not become a UFA until after the 4th year.  They are only RFAs at the end of year 3.  If you look at the total number of UDFAs on NFL rosters it fare exceeds the number of 7th round picks on NFL rosters.  So your statement is probably true at the beginning of Training Camp, but false in the last week of Training Camp.

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The total value for the very last pick in the 2023 draft is $3,923,808 with a 1st year base salary of $750,000. Everyone’s favorite Carson Strong had a max contract value of $2,560,000 and a 1st year base salary of $300,000. The 7th round contract is worth more per year. And this is comparing the least valuable draft pick vs a higher end UDFA contract, which 95% of UDFAs won’t get.

Where are you getting $300,000?  Go to Spotrac or OTC and look up the base salary of Blankenship or Jobe or any of the other UDFAs on the roster.  The CBA does not differentiate the annual base salary by draftee vs. non-draftee.  Further, the 2022 base salary of 3rd round pick Nakobe Dean and UDFA Josh Jobe are the same identical amount … $705,000.

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Obviously there are several instances of 7th round busts and successes, just like UDFA. To say there is no difference is not entirely correct. There’s also very rare instances where being a UDFA pays off more, like with La’El Collins

Agreed.  However, the provenance of this discussion had to do with the selection of players in the 7th round, and whether a 7th round pick can be "wasted.”  The presence of Blankenship and Jobe or any other UDFA on the Eagles roster mitigates the chances that a 7th round pick can be "wasted.”  If there were no UDFAs TorontoEagle’s statement would be correct, but UDFAs are effectively an insurance policy that mitigates any risk of "wastage.”

28 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Huge difference. No competition to sign a 7th rounder.

No competition for a team’s UDFAs either.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No competition for a team’s UDFAs either.

Incorrect. Players have options. Demand drives price up and yet they still get alot less than the 7th rounders